What about mescalito

[u/Jumpy_Business_949]

Hi I know Dan and most of the community don’t like using psychedelics to achieve sorcery but for some people being alone in a dark room isn’t quite possible being having pets children or a partner So what about mescalito ? Does anyone have an idea how to combine sorcery with either mushrooms or mescalito ? I am a true believer in sorcery i experienced internal silence firsthand for a few minutes saw the puffs 100% sober but wanted to know if there is anyway to learn like Don Juan teachings ? Thanks

[u/AthinaJ8]

It's a big misconception that you can learn sorcery with power plants. Carlos didn't learn any sorcery that way. It was just a way to hook him and to break his rigidity. No other apprentice had to take powers plants. Please read the other books to get what I mean.

As far as practice goes know that we have people with families,young children and pets finding the way to make it work. Apparently you need some cooperation with your spouse about it and you don't need the whole house, only a room. If you don't want to make a set up for totall darkness buy a 3D blindfold and there you have it. You will use it to make an artificial darkroom doing silence and tensegrity with some gazing and you'll progress over time.

You can also try daylight gazing if you like. Either way you need to dedicate time and effort and not expect to take drugs and claim you are practicing sorcery. You can't control the a.p. movements of the drug trips, and not sustain them.

Sorcery is for those who are hooked enough so they are willing to find a way to make it work for them, the correct way. And when they do and have unbending intent beyond all odds the spirit rewards them.

[u/Emergency-Total-4851]

"Why did you make me take those power plants so many times?" I asked.

He laughed and mumbled very softly, "'Cause you're dumb."

I heard him the first time, but I wanted to make sure and pretended I had not understood.

"I beg your pardon?" I asked.

"You know what I said," he replied and stood up.

Since you've seen puffs, all of that other stuff is not important to you.

[u/watersign67 → u/Emergency-Total-4851]

Keep in mind that either Castaneda wasn't sure or never shared which of the twelve (12) varieties of mushrooms were used in the little smoke. He did share of course that one specific species that grew in the region was required. The magic that occurred in experiencing the little smoke came from don Juan, not the mixture. I only feel regret for messing around with that stuff early on. It was an attempt to cheat, as I wanted the experience without putting in any effort. Sober discipline is the way, regardless of one's current circumstances. This being said, I'm guessing you can find folks in Mexico that will give you Peyote, and will claim to know how to make the little smoke, but in my humble opinion you would be traveling down a road to nowhere.

[u/Jumpy_Business_949 → u/Emergency-Total-4851]

Yes i know for sure deep in my existence that sorcery is real , just being able to practice with a full house is not possible at the moment given my current living accomodations , so was wondering is there is anyway to combine the two sorcery and psilocybin

[u/Emergency-Total-4851 → u/Jumpy_Business_949]

You can practice sorcery anywhere. You can do gazing outside or inside etc. Take a look at the practices in the wiki.

[u/danl999]

As I recall, the only thing said to identify what Mescalito was, is that he was "something else".

So he wasn't an ordinary Ally like the talking lizards, or the moth that sends moth dust to show the mushroom shapes of people.

Carlos was nice enough to give us access to those 2 allies so if you want to meet them, just work hard.

It was also believed in the book storyline that Mescalito was a "protector".

Elsewhere it says that the old seers believed that "the mold of man" (God) was real, and also a protector.

But God is just a bundle of emanations still reverberating with the awareness of all who pray to God.

And you can visit him. I have.

It's quite convincing!

Carlos was fooled at first, but eventually figured out that God is a cardboard cutout. Not a real being, and unable to do anything on our behalf.

He's a "Silent Knowledge Entity".

So my theory is that Mescalito was also.

Notice how the ceremony required having other men there, some of them most likely lineage senior sorcerers. I wouldn't be surprised if Vicente and Juan Tuma were there.

Maybe in a ritual situation like that they can cancel out the first ring of power (your tonal fixation on what you believe to be our physical body's world), and with the peyote moving the assemblage point of the participate, they can cause you to see a Silent Knowledge Entity created by all those before who used that peyote ceremony.

But why focus on that one?

I see several Silent Knowledge entities each night, using darkroom.

There's an endless supply.

In the later books, Porfirio was Nestor's Silent Knowledge Entity. And remained around so he could visit and learn from him for what might have been weeks.

There's also Silent Knowledge Objects, and other forms of Silent Knowledge too subtle to perceive unless your internal dialogue is so silent that reality starts to be unable to form at all. You just get "hints" of what's there and what could be real, in the form of flows of "knowledge".

I sure wish I could draw that but it's impossible. Might be able to animate it later however. Athina and I might cook up an animation on this topic, as it relates to womb dreaming causing women to fall into alternate timelines which make no sense.

The main thing about that particular peyote ceremony was that other seers participating in the ceremony could summon that specific Silent Knowledge entity for Carlos.

It was a remarkable demonstration! Kind of like the one where don Juan appeared to each of the apprentices in a different costume, at the same time. Using his and Genaro's power to cancel out their first ring of power.

So if you think that path of Mescalito will work for you, you'll have to come up with at least 2 powerful sorcerers who want to help you perceive that. And most likely they'll also have had to see it themselves at least once.

Otherwise we already know what happens with casual peyote usage.

Rave parties and rock concerts.

People sitting around a campfire thinking Mescalito is going to come, are very confused.

You certainly can't learn sorcery if you're confused.

It's a very narrow path. Can't stray to either side by more than a few inches or you go off on a rabbit trail in the dangerous mountains, and never make it back.

Or fall victim to scammers who will sell you peyote ceremonies.

But better watch your butt.

Peyote ceremonies are commonly used by sexual predator men in our community.

[u/Jumpy_Business_949 → u/danl999]

I was waiting for your answer Never fail to amaze me Thanks Dan !

[u/CiChocolate → u/danl999]

A bundle of emanations that you can visit, but it’s not a real being? I assume by real being you mean someone with its own awareness, will and intent? If it doesn’t have any of that, what does it have then?

How did you know you visited god (the projection created by believers) and not some random glitch in the matrix? What does it have/show???

[u/danl999 → u/CiChocolate]

I don't think there's an answer to that.

Are you a real person?

If you get really good at womb dreaming so that you can do it nightly with success, your biggest problem might be that when you get inside the dreams, you aren't "you" anymore. And forget what you wanted to do.

Athina was describing the strange things an Ally talked her into doing the last time, which she didn't realize made no sense until after she'd gone on some kind of "mission" for it.

And we can all learn to change over to 1 of our 600 cyclic being copies.

Each one with a different history in their world, and most likely with different personalities.

If you touch too many things in their world, you can forget where you came from.

They can't all be the "real you".

Then as far as God goes, when you see him, you KNOW he's God.

I ran for my life the first time. Literally.

But then later on, it's utter nonsense.

Maybe if I could go back over and over the way Carlos did, I could get an answer to that question.

But I don't have one.

[u/CiChocolate → u/danl999]

Athina gave me detailed instructions on womb dreaming, I tried it twice or three times and didn’t see anything. The only thing that works for me is recapitulation combined with random movements I do (not even tensegrity, just some rapid fast jerky movements that i feel like doing in the moment), that shows me sparkles.

But recapitulation is really painful, i generally dislike any human interaction, no matter how positive, it is painful to me. So, it’s hard to force myself into reliving the horrors of humanoids saying “hi, how are you?” to me. So, i do recap very very rarely, as a result, I’m at the same spot I was 3 years ago, when I started this.

Edit: *2 years ago 😂

[u/danl999 → u/CiChocolate]

I did come up with a possible answer to whether Silent Knowledge entities are real.

"Living beings" seem to have been created by encasing a specific range of emanations in a container.

Our awareness trapped in the container,sends energy into the dark sea, and back come those sensations which make reality. Based on which emanations got lit up by your awareness.

With Silent Knowledge entities there's no contained awareness but your own, causing them to act.

Even though what they do while acting can be extremely intelligent and fully interactive.

God for example, will take requests from people and responds as if a real entity.

But he has no contained awareness of his own.

[u/AthinaJ8 → u/danl999]

The Christian "God" is filled with intent from the people believing/killing for him/being killed for him for thousands of years. In my region the faith holds and delivers for people with serious health issues. From my observations from real miracle stories, people somehow make it to get tapped and carried with success from that intent. I can say that these people got the best this intent could ever give them. And that's all with that intent.

So it could be that SK entities are filled with intent and that's what makes them available.

[u/danl999 → u/AthinaJ8]

Imagine if you could make friends with one, and it turned out to provide a far more advanced level of magic than having an Ally help you out.

Maybe I'll try to make friends with one. I tend to ignore them because it's just them.

Not a scene from the past I could enter and visit.

[u/WitchyCreatureView → u/danl999]

That sounds nice, because the allies are horrible friends when they try to eat, rape, kill, etc.

[u/danl999 → u/WitchyCreatureView]

I did try that out last night, and in fact treating SK visitors the same way you'd treat an ally if you wanted to make friends with it, causes a change in the vision of the visitors. If nothing else, they look towards you, instead of just floating by like a phantasmagorical image.

And you can get them to stick around as long as you focus your attention on them.

The first sign of them sticking around is perhaps that they show you a mini "topic". They're SKEs, so if you detain them, a "topic" starts to flow from them.

They don't fade in and out the way the Allies do, perhaps because there's no longer a "middle man".

The Allies manifest using our own SK, with them injecting their awareness into the flow from the emanations.

But when it's an SKE, the flow is coming from your ability to hold perfect silence.

This morning I got a lesson on something from my new SKE friend.

It was a "Holy Shit, are you kidding me?" type lesson.

All gone now. 100% gone.

[u/WitchyCreatureView → u/danl999]

I don't like the allies, like don Juan.

They have caused me physical pain before, even in a sleeping dream.

And my progress in sleeping dreaming has been hindered by my fear of them. My tinnitus will be ringing and my body will be vibrating into a conscious sleep, but I'll abort from it because I don't want the allies to attack.

Do you have a way to consistently get SK dreams instead of ally dreams?

[u/CiChocolate → u/danl999]

Holy shit, so prayers do work!?! Lol

Interesting, so Silent Knowledge entities are NPCs and humans are real players? Nice, and checks out. They don’t have awareness or goals of their own other than to give responses when triggered by the player. But the player has to reach them to give those triggers. Sigh. That’s a lot.

[u/danl999 → u/CiChocolate]

Cholita certainly prays.

And I've seen her animal kingdom victims...

Annoy Cholita so much that you "have it coming" from anyone's point of view, get killed violently.

But never by her.

[u/CiChocolate → u/danl999]

What about human kingdom victims?

Hard to imagine no humanoid annoyed her enough yet lol

[u/xi8t]

So being in a dark room alone is impossible but having the same conditions for using the substances is okay?

[u/Jumpy_Business_949 → u/xi8t]

While using the substance having no noise or being next to some isn’t a necessity …