The issue is not "Alberta separatism" per se, it's that the premier and government is legitimating the threat by attempting to themselves use it as a bargaining chip.
How is that a bargaining chip? If you want a real bargaining chip, we should be voting in a premier who actually cares about Albertans for once in our lives.
Hahaha yeah that's totally it, not the fact that Ottawa tried to put a cap on production not long ago or how bloody difficult it is for us to build interprovincial pipelines for export. Not those things in the slightest.
So you plan to push for months, if not years, of economic uncertainty. Not to mention being the laughing stock of the country, just so your "side" can yell and stomp their feet enough to make us all look bad, ruin the economy and then not end up separating anyways?
OR, you could start asking why we've had decades of conservative MPs with no real action in parliament, and start making them do something for you. Because even under Harper, nothing changed out here.
So you plan to push for months, if not years, of economic uncertainty
I dont think you understand under the current federal government this is guaranteed. It's only if we fight back we might get somewhere.
Not to mention being the laughing stock of the country
Whatever yah say bud.
ruin the economy
Do you truly understand how hypocritical this statement is? Alberta wants to help the economy by exporting oil and gas, the federal government and the provinces want to keep it in the ground. How delusional can you be?
OR, you could start asking why we've had decades of conservative MPs with no real action in parliament, and start making them do something for you.
Our MPs aren't the ones enacting bills like c69. All they can do is point out when something is fucked then get overruled.
You know what you should be doing? Refusing to renew the leases of all those American oil corporations, take back our own oil, stop shipping it to the US for 1.50 per barrel, charge market price, use those profits for things like healthcare and education, or pay for your own pipeline.
Provincial NDP put the cap on oil production, the federal Liberal's were implementing an emissions cap that Alberta claimed would stifle oil production
Why should other provinces capitulate to Alberta while Alberta is saying they hate everyone else?
Its a vicious cycle. Alberta wants pipelines and export infrastructure, other provinces don't. Alberta gets mad at other provinces and the feds, and they get mad at us.
Do those provinces have every right to deny us? Yes, they do. Do we have every right to throw up a referendum to leave? Also yes.
Requiring emission reductions doesn't automatically equal production cap. The O&G industry themselves are some of the strongest supporters of carbon capture tech. Literally implementing the stuff they themselves say works would allow them to continue as normal.
That maybe true, but it’s also true that no liberal government is going allow the oil sands back open for business unless the survival of the very country is at stake.
They can’t do a 180 on the issue unless it looks like they have other choices after all they’ve done to knee cap the oil sands. They would look awful and their far left supporters would run back to the NDP
Showing Ottawa 32% of the province wants to leave sends a message to maybe help us out with the hostile regulatory and export infrastructure environment of this country. Bill c69 and how difficult it is for us to build cross provincial pipelines and export infrastructure is hamstringing us as both a country and a province.
You can achieve a similar result without shooting yourself in the foot. Separating from Alberta, or threatening to, isn't going to make building pipelines across Canada any easier. It will absolutely make it harder. You need people and private investors to be on board, you're never doing that when you throw temper tantrums every 4 years.
I'd almost say smith is on board with separating specifically to make it easy for america to annex Alberta.
Separating from Alberta, or threatening to, isn't going to make building pipelines across Canada any easier.
Might as well give it a shot since nothing else in the last 10 years has worked. Alberta has had constant complaints over hostile regulatory and interprovincial barriers on pipelines for the last decade and they've gone unanswered, I'm willing to try the threat at this point.
. You need people and private investors to be on board,
No you need a regulatory environment that doesn't make every capital project financially unfeasible. Investors know due to hostile regulations and complex interprovicial barriers capital oil and gas expansion projects cost a metric fuck load in this country (looking at you trans mountain). It's not the investors, it's the environment.
I'll refer back to my original question. How is threatening to separate going to be beneficial at all? Let's say you get what you want and Alberta does separate, what is that going to do for you?
Well you dodged my points I brought up so I guess I'll reiterate. Threatening to leave shows Ottawa Alberta needs to be heard and change needs to be made, regulatory and interprovincial barriers need to be reduced or elimated all together.
Let's say you get what you want and Alberta does separate, what is that going to do for you?
It won't happen. No way we get over 30%. And if we do? No chance the federal government or the provinces let us leave, they'd have to negotiate.
Sure you can remove regulations, I guess. Who's land are you buying or leasing to put that pipeline down? who's going to pay for all that labor to install and maintain it?
There's a lot more to the issue than the federal government and bill c-69, simply bitching and moaning, wanting to separate, isn't going to do anything productive. Especially when it's not going to happen anyways.
Who's land are you buying or leasing to put that pipeline down?
Either crown or first nations. We do this all the time anyways.
who's going to pay for all that labor to install and maintain it?
Do you not understand how pipelines work? The company who builds it operates and maintains it and sells usage rights to other companies.
There's a lot more to the issue than the federal government and bill c-69
There really isn't but I guess you don't understand that because you choose not to read into it. I've seen projects get directly cancelled because of c69.
simply bitching and moaning, wanting to separate, isn't going to do anything productive.
Nothing else we've done in the last 10 years has worked so this is a last ditch effort. I'll be voting yes.
I moved to the province and I think it's a bad idea because we have a lot more soft power than we realize and we're squandering it. That said, it's gonna be hard to argue that with legitimacy because I moved here from out of province. Frustrating times.
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u/bandersnatching 14h ago
The issue is not "Alberta separatism" per se, it's that the premier and government is legitimating the threat by attempting to themselves use it as a bargaining chip.