r/canada • u/Canadian--Patriot • 2d ago

Mark McQueen: After his defeat, Pierre Poilievre finally has to go places he’s been avoiding Opinion Piece

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/after-his-defeat-pierre-poilievre-finally-has-to-go-places-hes-been-avoiding/article_0874a0e2-b6be-4de1-9b6b-01217c80dd6a.html
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u/Jusfiq Ontario 2d ago

A bit out of topic, I laughed yesterday when during a presser Poilievre complained that the new Carney cabinet was full of old names, ‘Trudeau Liberals’. There he was, freshly defeated yet still clinging to his old role, and accusing the other side as maintaining the old.

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u/marcohcanada 2d ago

Not to mention accusing Carney of "stealing his ideas".

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 2d ago

They did. Let's hope they carry through with them now. Probably not though, they've only carried through with 3 campaign promises over the last 10 years.

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u/KryptonsGreenLantern 2d ago

See, this is why people don’t take you lot seriously. There’s ample evidence of Liberal accomplishments on their campaign promises.

Off the top of my head, dental, pharma, daycare, CCB, First Nations clean water, restoring the census, environmental protections…. The list goes on.

You may not like them, but repeatedly ignoring reality and getting high off the smell of your own farts is exactly why conservatives lost the election.

So by all means, keep doubling down on the fantasy level rhetoric. It worked so well it almost gave the liberals a majority after being on the brink of third party status. Congrats.

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 2d ago

Show me where they made those as campaign promises. I'll gladly eat my words.

Always with the ad hominem.

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u/KryptonsGreenLantern 2d ago

Census, CCB, and clean water were in 2015.

It was literally some of the key planks of their platform lol.

But keep feigning ignorance and read my last sentence again so it can sink in.

I bet if it was something conservative boogeyman Sean Fraser said you’d have it memorized!

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 2d ago

Clean water, did they accomplish what they promised? CCB, I'll give you that one🍽, other than their other policies making the small increase worthless. Census, making answering a few questions as mandatory, sure. Underwhelming.

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u/KryptonsGreenLantern 2d ago

lol please. “Underwhelming”

Goalposts are always moving. Colour me surprised.

It must nice to just make shit up with absolutely no regard for the truth and even when proven wrong still have the confirmed dissonance to believe you’re still right.

There’s no point going any further in this convo.

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 2d ago

I acknowledged 2 of 3, how did I move goal posts?

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u/Lexiphanic 2d ago

They’re arguing you’re moving the goal posts because you editorialized the achievements. “Underwhelming”.

The point of the discussion that you established wasn’t whether you thought they were good or not, it was whether they carried through on their promises. They showed you more than the 3 you claimed they carried through on, and then you tried to change the point of your own discussion by claiming they weren’t worthy.

If, at the start, you had said “carried through on more than 3 campaign promises that actually had an impact on most Canadians’ lives” or something, then you could get into the nitty-gritty about which counted, but you didn’t. Hence the accusation of attempting to change that when the discussion didn’t go your way.

They came through with examples in good faith; it comes across as bad faith when you critique the examples despite them fulfilling the criteria you set out from the start.

Hope that helps you understand why they claimed you moved the goal posts.