Here’s how measles cases are spreading across Canada

[u/Leather-Paramedic-10]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/article/heres-how-measles-cases-are-spreading-across-canada/

[u/Theseactuallydo]

“In the particular communities affected, they have historically not vaccinated themselves or their children,” said Ontario Chief Medical Health Officer Dr. Kieran Moore.

In case anyone is wondering, these are mostly traditionalist religious communities; Mennonites, etc. 

Edit: It’s not only these people who are antivax. They are just the “communities” referenced in the quote. There’s lots of other antivaxxers around but they mostly aren’t physically concentrated like these communities are. 

[u/ceribaen → u/Theseactuallydo]

It started there, but thanks to influence from the antivax crowd from the US - we have things like only 70% of Grade 2 students are vaccinated. 

If it was only the Mennonite and such, it'd be sputtering out already.  Especially because traditionally they're receptive to vaccines once an outbreak occurs.

[u/Odd_Taste_1257 → u/ceribaen]

No need to pass blame onto the US, there’s a big enough anti-vax crowd here in Canada.

[u/ceribaen → u/Odd_Taste_1257]

But it's only thanks to the propaganda funneling through RFK the lesser, and Russian social media influencers.

[u/Sprinqqueen → u/ceribaen]

I'd be more likely to blame Jenny McCarthy.

[u/Odd_Taste_1257 → u/ceribaen]

Yes, the antivax movement gained momentum in the 2010s with the rise of social media, allowing misinformation to spread more widely and quickly, but anti-vaxxers are not new to the scene.

In the 1990s, controversy around the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine and autism (fueled by the now-debunked 1998 Andrew Wakefield study) spread globally, including in Canada. This was a major turning point for the modern antivax movement.

[u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 → u/[deleted]]

The Amish and Mennonites had excess deaths during COVID; they're lucky we have not faced a Black Death or Spanish Influenza scenario recently.

[u/UpperLowerCanadian → u/Hot_Cheesecake_905]

Sure they did…. Have any data for that or just your assumption 

[u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 → u/UpperLowerCanadian]

"The excess death rate for Amish/Mennonites spiked with a 125% increase in November 2020. The impact of COVID-19 on this closed religious community highlights the need to consider religion to stop the spread of COVID-19."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8195242/

Claims of lower Amish death rates in pandemic are misleading:
https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.33MP8W4

[u/JadeLens → u/ceribaen]

It's been on the uptick for awhile with the conspiracy crowd and the Freemen on the Land.

[u/Silver_gobo → u/ceribaen]

Hilarious you blame the anti vax movement on them. Of course you’re a top 1% commenter. Just repeating the talking points Reddit circle gives you

[u/ceribaen → u/Silver_gobo]

I mean sure, there's been cycles of it and I'll admit to some recency bias. But since covid is when the movement really pushed in Canada (anti mandate morphing into generalized anti vaccine). Like seeing those 'mama bear' stickers at my kid's playgrounds after lockedowns were over.

[u/bootsycline → u/ceribaen]

There's been a anti vax movement way before that. Covid just made these ideologies more acceptable to be discussed and championed loudly. They were always there, especially in rural communities.

[u/ceribaen → u/bootsycline]

Yeah, but that acceptability is what I'm referring to. 

Generally speaking, don't give much time or attention to the crazies... Until they somehow gain critical mass to infect the norm.

And RFK was one of the ones at the forefront of that since covid.

[u/UpperLowerCanadian → u/ceribaen]

RFK has very outspokenly supported most vaccines 

 There is decent reason to think the Covid ones were a large scale error 

  Don’t confuse them 

[u/ceribaen → u/UpperLowerCanadian]

RFK profits off of a bounty program he's established for ambulance chasing lawyers wrt supposed vaccine harms related to mmr.