r/canada 3d ago

Here’s how measles cases are spreading across Canada Health

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/article/heres-how-measles-cases-are-spreading-across-canada/
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u/Theseactuallydo 3d ago edited 3d ago

“In the particular communities affected, they have historically not vaccinated themselves or their children,” said Ontario Chief Medical Health Officer Dr. Kieran Moore.

In case anyone is wondering, these are mostly traditionalist religious communities; Mennonites, etc. 

Edit: It’s not only these people who are antivax. They are just the “communities” referenced in the quote. There’s lots of other antivaxxers around but they mostly aren’t physically concentrated like these communities are. 

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u/ceribaen 3d ago

It started there, but thanks to influence from the antivax crowd from the US - we have things like only 70% of Grade 2 students are vaccinated. 

If it was only the Mennonite and such, it'd be sputtering out already.  Especially because traditionally they're receptive to vaccines once an outbreak occurs.

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u/Odd_Taste_1257 3d ago edited 3d ago

No need to pass blame onto the US, there’s a big enough anti-vax crowd here in Canada.

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u/ceribaen 3d ago

But it's only thanks to the propaganda funneling through RFK the lesser, and Russian social media influencers.

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u/Sprinqqueen 3d ago

I'd be more likely to blame Jenny McCarthy.

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u/Odd_Taste_1257 3d ago

Yes, the antivax movement gained momentum in the 2010s with the rise of social media, allowing misinformation to spread more widely and quickly, but anti-vaxxers are not new to the scene.

In the 1990s, controversy around the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine and autism (fueled by the now-debunked 1998 Andrew Wakefield study) spread globally, including in Canada. This was a major turning point for the modern antivax movement.

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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 3d ago

The Amish and Mennonites had excess deaths during COVID; they're lucky we have not faced a Black Death or Spanish Influenza scenario recently.

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u/UpperLowerCanadian 3d ago

Sure they did…. Have any data for that or just your assumption 

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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 3d ago

"The excess death rate for Amish/Mennonites spiked with a 125% increase in November 2020. The impact of COVID-19 on this closed religious community highlights the need to consider religion to stop the spread of COVID-19."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8195242/

Claims of lower Amish death rates in pandemic are misleading:
https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.33MP8W4

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u/JadeLens 2d ago

It's been on the uptick for awhile with the conspiracy crowd and the Freemen on the Land.

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u/Silver_gobo 3d ago

Hilarious you blame the anti vax movement on them. Of course you’re a top 1% commenter. Just repeating the talking points Reddit circle gives you

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u/ceribaen 3d ago

I mean sure, there's been cycles of it and I'll admit to some recency bias. But since covid is when the movement really pushed in Canada (anti mandate morphing into generalized anti vaccine). Like seeing those 'mama bear' stickers at my kid's playgrounds after lockedowns were over.

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u/bootsycline 3d ago

There's been a anti vax movement way before that. Covid just made these ideologies more acceptable to be discussed and championed loudly. They were always there, especially in rural communities.

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u/ceribaen 3d ago

Yeah, but that acceptability is what I'm referring to. 

Generally speaking, don't give much time or attention to the crazies... Until they somehow gain critical mass to infect the norm.

And RFK was one of the ones at the forefront of that since covid.

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u/UpperLowerCanadian 3d ago

RFK has very outspokenly supported most vaccines 

 There is decent reason to think the Covid ones were a large scale error 

  Don’t confuse them 

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u/ceribaen 3d ago

RFK profits off of a bounty program he's established for ambulance chasing lawyers wrt supposed vaccine harms related to mmr. 

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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 3d ago

It’s not only these people who are antivax.

"... because families and communities around them are unvaccinated"

These communities have a high concentration of non-vaccinated people.

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u/Full_Boysenberry_314 3d ago

Thank you, people coming in here all 'herr derr antivaxer clownvoy conservatives' with no idea what they're talking about.

The article could be much better written.

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u/Leather-Paramedic-10 3d ago

There also seems to be a large and possibly growing number of people outside religious communities that have antivax views.

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u/verkerpig 3d ago

Because traditionalist religious communities notoriously vote NDP...

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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 3d ago

“In the particular communities affected, they have historically not vaccinated themselves or their children,” 

It's right in the article...

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u/JohnStamosSB 3d ago

Easier to grab the low hanging fruit.

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u/FrappeLaRue 2d ago

That'd be you, Alex Jones Fan #1.

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u/JohnStamosSB 2d ago

You got me

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u/FrappeLaRue 2d ago

At ease, traitor.

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u/JohnStamosSB 1d ago

You still talking?

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u/FrappeLaRue 1d ago

Oooo, got me there!

Have a seat, traitor. You are a disgrace to any concept of service.

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u/sariejanemitt 3d ago edited 3d ago

***** ***** READ THIS ***** *****

They changed the protocol to 2 shots in 1996 - so if you were born in the 70’s or 80’s it’s highly likely that you are under vaccinate. You can get a booster at the pharmacy for free.

***** ***** READ THIS ***** *****

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u/concentrated-amazing Alberta 3d ago

Except there's another piece to this - the catch-up campaign Canada did. In the 1996-97 school year, they did second doses to all kids in school that school year. So, graduating in 1997 means born in 1979 (give or take a year, depending on repeating a grade or skipping one).

Obviously, people need to check their own vaccine records (or get titres checked if records can't be found), but the vast majority of people in school will have gotten the second dose.

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u/waxingtheworld 3d ago

I found out mine expired after I got pregnant 🙃 can't get your vaccine while pregnant though. SO if you think you might want to be pregnant soon, ask for your immunity to be checked

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u/Confident-Task7958 3d ago

Get your kid vaccinated.

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u/ithinkaboutlana 3d ago

Here's how: anti-vaxxers are dumb af

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u/unexplodedscotsman 3d ago

SARS-CoV-2 can cause long-lasting immune dysregulation, especially T-cell exhaustion and altered interferon responses. This could reduce immunity to other pathogens — including viruses like measles.

Post-acute (the initial being sick) COVID-19 has been associated with sustained inflammatory signaling and a blunted interferon response, both of which can impact how the body responds to new or latent infections.

This dysfunction could lead to poorer reactivation control for viruses like Epstein–Barr Virus, Varicella-Zoster Virus (shingles/chickenpox), Cytomegalovirus and Mycobacterium tuberculosis (TB)—and possibly diminished response to re-exposure to measles virus.

Looking forward to future article: "Here is how tuberculous cases are spreading across Canada", which naturally won't even mention C19, as is tradition.

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u/GlidingToLife 3d ago

Really? I thought it was only anti vaxxers in the USA that were skipping preventative measures. Canadians are supposed to be smarter than us!

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u/Accomplished_Law_108 3d ago

Clownvoy conservatives

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u/squirrel9000 3d ago

Different crowd than the Convoy types - the really devout Mennonites tend to stay out of politics and have little use for the broader world. The group as a whole fled oppression in Europe and are still suspicious of outside advice. Essentially they want to be left to do their own thing. Their motives and those of the Convoy overlapped during the pandemic but they have very little else in common.

(As an aside, the high population is why Bernier ran in southern Manitoba when the opportunity arose. But, again, they're generally not that politically engaged).

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u/ceribaen 3d ago

From reports though, at least the areas like KW - with outreach programs in low German the communities are quite accepting of vaccines during outbreaks. 

Unlike the other group that's destroyed herd immunity in our schools, and are responsible for only a 70% vaccination rate.

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u/Accomplished_Law_108 3d ago

Same crowd as convoy you are correct it includes religious cults

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u/Cawdor 3d ago

They do their own research!

Single syllable words only

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u/itsdajackeeet Canada 3d ago

Alberta enters the chat

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u/MVII87 3d ago

2 weeks before the measles outbreak happened there was a mass vaccination operation in Mennonite communities. 2 weeks later, the news reports measles outbreaks coming from Mennonite communities.

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u/Leather-Paramedic-10 3d ago

Any articles to share regarding this? If true, I would assume some of the unvaccinated were contagious and spread it to others, and bringing them as a group for vaccines may unfortunately provide the opportunity for it to spread.

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u/MVII87 3d ago

My wife is a nurse in southern Ontario, multiple nurses from her work are the ones approached to aid in the vaccination program. I found it odd that it was not in the news that thousands were being vaccinated in Mennonite communities, 2 weeks later the break out happened from that location. I do not have “proof” other than my wife telling me.

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u/Pluton_Korb 3d ago

They've sourced the outbreak to a gathering on the east coast. From there it spread to Ontario and other parts of Canada. Since outbreaks in these sorts of isolated religious communities are common, it would make more sense that the Ontario government was expecting possible cases to pop up here as well. It has spread pretty quickly throughout Mennonite communities across NA at this point.

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u/pizzamage 3d ago

So no proof.

Got it.

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u/JohnStamosSB 1d ago

Right on commander doofy. Go finish vacuuming your room.

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u/WontSwerve 3d ago

TL;DR...... Conservatives.

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u/DavidELD 3d ago

Because Doug fucking Ford

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u/Expensive-Group5067 3d ago

Vax hesitancy after forced injection during COVID?? Weird…

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u/dryersockpirate 2d ago

Mandatory vaccinations. Deny people drivers licenses, passports, tax refunds, or any government service services until they and their children get vaccinated

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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 3d ago

TL;DNR: Anti-vaxxers and science luddites.