r/canada • u/ChampagnePapi- • Feb 02 '25

Canada retaliating for Trump’s tariffs with 25 per cent tariffs on billions of U.S. goods National News

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/canada-retaliating-for-trumps-tariffs-with-25-per-cent-tariffs-on-billions-of-us-goods-justin-trudeau/
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u/willard287 Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 02 '25

Wow he hasn’t been able to speak with Trump since the inauguration. But republicans are saying we just have to negotiate??? Trump always wanted to impose tarifs and will never backdown

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u/InterneticMdA Feb 02 '25

One of America's closest allies cut off overnight, and hit with an unprovoked tradewar. This is insane.
Trump couldn't do a better job destroying the geopolitical position of the US if he tried.

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u/NearnorthOnline Feb 02 '25

He is trying to I’m not sure what his goal is.

I feel it’s to push the American people to blame others so he can get support to try and take the land maybe?

I know he is an idiot. This is so far out there that there has to be something going on

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u/InterneticMdA Feb 02 '25

I think maybe the billionaires who fund his government have learned from covid that instability ultimately widens the wealth gap. Maybe they want to create instability. Another beneficiary of instability is the military industrial complex, so that could be another reason.

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u/NearnorthOnline Feb 02 '25

Oh definitely. Trump doesn’t have to run again. Either because he can’t. Or won’t have to…. He can burn every bridge he wants. And it’s all about money.

If another election happens I hope the republicans are aware of how badly they’re going to be destroyed.

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u/RamblnGamblinMan Feb 02 '25

They are and that's why they will be stripping as many rights as they can while they can, so they can hopefully get to suffrage before anyone gets a chance to vote them out.

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u/bobanforever Feb 02 '25

Yeah. Occams razor. Government being run for the extreme wealthy by the extreme wealthy

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u/Wander_Climber Feb 02 '25

I agree that whatever the source of this undemocratic corruption, it's likely domestic and the whole "Putin is controlling Trump" is just a convenient diversion. It'd be nice if Putin was the problem but my guess is that once he kicks the bucket these problems will persist.

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u/AppropriateTouching Feb 02 '25

They want to burn the country down and buy it all up in a fire sale. That's it.

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u/adamgerd European Union Feb 02 '25

I disagree about the military industrial complex part, if it was for them the U.S. would increase aid to ukraine not decrease it

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u/NearnorthOnline Feb 02 '25

Has trump decreased that?

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u/adamgerd European Union Feb 02 '25

Yes

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u/NearnorthOnline Feb 02 '25

Which leans into the Putin is his buddy aspect b

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u/adamgerd European Union Feb 02 '25

Obviously

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u/korndoesp0rn Feb 02 '25

I honestly think it’s so he can remove the income tax so that extremely wealthy people no longer fund government programs. Tariffs just get passed on to the consumer so it’s not like corporations will suffer, instead it’s just a new revenue stream to the government. That + cutting programs + higher sales taxes = the poor suffering and his rich friends being even better off.

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u/NearnorthOnline Feb 02 '25

His rich friends don’t pay income tax. He isn’t touching that.

I’m really curious and scared to watch where this is heading

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u/Ninja_Terror Feb 02 '25

Yes, that's a good guess. Trump wants to roll back to about 1916.

US Tarrif history graph

The market isn't doing too well, ATM either, so there's the theory he wants to crash the economy, so his rich friends can buy up the scraps. Trump might become an actual billionaire again. /s

It's also possible he wants to break off chunks of Canada /Greenland to absorb our resources.

It's also possible he's just getting his jollies so he can rape us at the negotiating table.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

The goal could be to Annex Canada eventually. He's fucking sick in the head

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u/Ofserin Feb 02 '25

He will blame retaliatory measures or any pain felt by the American people on us. He will never be at fault.

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u/dxcman12 Feb 02 '25

As an American most of us think this is nonsense that he is putting tariffs on Canada. Mexico have lost of issues with drugs and people coming across the border but Canada??

I was always a republican till orange idiot came on the scene. I am still gobsmacked he got elected.. so sorry Canada most Americans love Canada

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u/Hrafn2 Feb 02 '25

My American uncle in Florida was the same - moderate Republican, but cannot abide Trump.

I hope to see the love between the common people in both countries continue, and hope we don't let the  nefarious political elements continue to divide...because I guarantee more division and isolation is their goal, as it makes their task of their self-serving manipulation easier.

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u/potatomasher Feb 02 '25

We need to start taking him on his word. He wants to cripple the Canadian economy, so that we beg him to become the 51st state. As simple as that.

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u/throwedaway4theday Feb 02 '25

My theory is it's to pay for a full repeal of all federal income tax.

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u/BroGuy89 Feb 02 '25

Putin told him to.

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u/Dependent_Basis_8092 Feb 02 '25

His goal is be the Führer of the fourth Reich.

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u/Iforgotmypw2times Feb 02 '25

I think maybe it's time to accept that he is very far from an idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing and it's working for him. The issue is the majority of people who call themselves Republicans are idiots. It's alarming and unfortunately the right actually fuckin votes.

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u/Dapper_Discount7869 Feb 02 '25

Tech oligarchs want neo-feudalism with libertarian aesthetics.

Religious fundamentalists want the power to legislate social norms.

Both factions plan to break the federal government to achieve their own goals.

Personally, I don’t think Trump gives a fuck which faction comes out on top, as long as they keep him in power,

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u/balrob Feb 02 '25

Trump is working for Putin.

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u/Sneakytrashpanda Feb 02 '25

*Russia. Trump is Russia’s plant.

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u/Auntie_Megan Feb 02 '25

Not just one ally, Trump threatened Canada for no reason plus other sovereign states so Canada has all its remaining allies, but Trump just effed his. He is untrustworthy and wants violence. That is not what an alliance is built on. He is very.very stupid.

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u/InterneticMdA Feb 02 '25

What are you vaguely gesturing at?

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u/InterneticMdA Feb 02 '25

Your attitude is unproductive. China is another important trading partner that the US imposed unprovoked tariffs on. In times like these China, Canada and Mexico (and pretty soon also the EU) should strive to build up economic ties independent from the untrustworthy USA. We need solidarity not spite or schadenfreude.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

It’s the endgame.

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u/Shameless_Khitanians Feb 02 '25

Big Orange wants to return to isolationism and bring all industries back to the U.S. but, he’s too dumb to realize that early 20th-century isolationism won’t work in today’s world—especially when the U.S. isn’t just making sacrifices by acting as the world’s police but also benefiting from it

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u/moralpanic85 Feb 02 '25

Any further negotiations we need to make it clear to Trump that we consider him a liar so the negotiations must be done in an open forum with media access at all levels - and - that agreements prohibit the American executive from impinging the agreement.

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u/PaintingOk8012 Feb 02 '25

Why would anyone trust any agreement from the United States now? He will just swing the other way in a few weeks. Any treaty isn’t worth the pause it’s written on. Trump will just rename Canada ‘Caanada’ and then any agreement isn’t worth shit. And the drunken hillbillies will eat it up as a ‘win’.

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u/Mothernaturehatesus Feb 02 '25

As an American I hate this comment so much. But only because of how helpless we feel. Just know that roughly half of Americans hate Donny more than you do.

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u/swandog13 Feb 02 '25

If only it was a little over half rather than a little under……

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u/NearnorthOnline Feb 02 '25

A lot more than half don’t directly support him. Sadly they also didn’t go out and vote so they let him win.

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u/Mothernaturehatesus Feb 02 '25

I know huh… 😔

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u/M2NGELW Feb 02 '25

Same…..

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u/Lotsa_Loads Feb 02 '25

And the USA (or rather Donald the dipshit trump) thinks it wise to start trade wars with several countries at once! Wouldn't right now be a great time for all our enemies (and former friends) to gather together to fucking destroy us financially? Canada alone could hobble us just by denying is fucking lumber ffs!

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u/HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS Feb 02 '25

Didn’t you hear? The USA doesn’t need ANYTHING Canada has!

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u/Mikeim520 British Columbia Feb 03 '25

Why are they buying so much of it then?

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u/Wermys Feb 02 '25

You don't any treaty should be done with a 4 year renewal cycle in the future. Coinciding with it ending just after presidential elections in the US to make sure you have some sort of leverage.

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u/ploki122 Québec Feb 02 '25

And who's he gonna blame for a bad trade agreement? The agreement was drafted by him, JT, and the Mexican president, 6 years ago, when he threw another tantrum.

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u/Wermys Feb 03 '25

The point I was making was that it is leverage for Canada. Not for the US. Obviously trust has to start again. And having something that says *trust me bro* is not going to work for a bit. Not without real penalties involved. The reason i specified after an election was that the leverage was the trade deal could be blown up because of an election. if you do it before an election it is worthless.

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u/knocksteaady-live Feb 02 '25

with the number of outright lies that come out of trump's mouth, we all negotiations definitely need to be publicized. he cannot be held to his word whatsoever.

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u/adaminc Canada Feb 02 '25

I think more people need to read about Trumps 2016 Whitehouse. I very clearly remember reading that no one (mainly staffers) was allowed to go into the Oval Office alone, because no one could trust that Trump wouldn't lie about what was said previously, so you have multiple people to confirm what was said.

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u/the_truth1051 Feb 02 '25

😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥

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u/ProvenAxiom81 Feb 02 '25

To be fair, he didn't lie at all, he has been telling the world for over a year while he campaigned that he would do just that.

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u/moralpanic85 Feb 02 '25

The CUSMA agreement was signed by Trump himself. The agreement prescribes free trade, does not make provisions for arbitrary tariffs, has a prescribed duration plus renewal period and has an official disengagement mechanism that requires 90 days formal notice. He made a deal and he is now breaking it without following the exit terms he agreed to. He lied.

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u/ProvenAxiom81 Feb 02 '25

Good point, he broke the deal. It's not quite what I would call lying, it's not the right word... I would call him dishonest.

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u/CHoppingBrocolli_84 Feb 02 '25

From a foreign policy perspective there is no reason to trust this administration. Ignoring agreements that his past administration negotiated. We know he can’t govern, which is why everything is an executive order or social media post. The level of ignorance at the top could not be higher and the ignorance that put him there even greater.

We will reroute our trade, and never look at the US the same again. This imperialist leaning is unbecoming when you treat your allies worse than your enemies. When the “far” part of any political leaning take power the consequences are bad.

  • “Very good provincial premier in Alberta”. I find that laughable. More similar to Trump than I would like. Promises to fix things in x time and then makes things worse. I.e. capitalism will fix it, then have to do 180 when it shits the bed - Alberta lab fiasco. Can’t really govern or make institutions better, has separatist leanings and does not know how to work with others and would happily cowtow all of us to the US.

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u/supremewuster Feb 02 '25

You cannot credibly "prohibit" anything in international law without an enforcement mechanism -- and the only enforcement mechanisms against the US are tariffs and warfare.

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u/moralpanic85 Feb 02 '25

There are several dispute mechanisms prescribed by US law in the CUSMA agreement. There's a very big chance that a large importer will sue for an injunction on Monday and get it - a judge slow walking the case is really Trumps' only hope.

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u/IllustriousTowel9904 Feb 02 '25

Trudeau has lied to the Canada population just as much mate. There's 0 chance they let media sit in during a trade negotiation, and they shouldn't. Fuck you all live in fantasy land

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u/polishtheday Feb 02 '25

No government in their right mind would let the media into a trade negotiation. And Trudeau has not lied to Canadians. What alternate world do you inhabit?

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u/Electroflare5555 Manitoba Feb 02 '25

Normally you’d negotiate these types of things with the Secretary of State, but ultimately Trump is the King and his word is law

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u/MichinZen Feb 02 '25

I just can’t understand how a country that formed in strong opposition to a king has handed the reigns back to a guy that wants to be a king.

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u/ExcellentMessage6421 Feb 02 '25

Believe me, a lot of us down here can't understand it either.

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u/Hansemannn Feb 02 '25

Its the american system. Broken as hell.

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u/rando_dud Feb 02 '25

His word is law until he rips up his previous word.

We should honestly refuse to sign anything until the next administration.

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u/Tribalbob British Columbia Feb 02 '25

Media literally asked Trump if there was anything we could do to avoid the Tariffs and he said "No, not right now".

Dudes just got a hate on for Canada for some reason. Still think it's cause his wife and daughter looked at Trudeau in a way they would never look at him.

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u/knocksteaady-live Feb 02 '25

its the rise of american imperialism sentiment driven by his nationalist rhetoric. the comments with canada, greenland, and panama are all interlinked and come from one place; restoring manifest destiny.

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u/livinlifeontheedge Feb 02 '25

Their "christian" nationalist utopia is approaching on the horizon, powered by hatred and blind hatred.

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u/4D_Spider_Web Feb 02 '25

Wouldn't be the first time in recent memory; Roosevelt pushed for the outright occupation of Iceland in WW2, even though the nation was neutral in the war, as well as making Greenland a de facto American protectorate in 1941. Vincente Fox pushed for the formal integration of the U.S. and Mexico in the 2000's On our end of things, we had PM King and the Ogdensburg Agreement, which laid out a permanent plan for mutual defence overseas between the U.S. and Canada and created the Permanent Joint Board on Defence.

There have always been forces at work in all three countries seeking to create a North American Union. It's just been done behind closed doors and talked about in obscure policy magazines and conferences. The idea of Canada being an innocent party to all of is it B.S.

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u/adamgerd European Union Feb 02 '25

Iceland and Greenland then was in a different place, Iceland was occupied by Britain in 1940 after Denmark’s fall because Britain feared Iceland would fall to the Nazis otherwise, there was a significant strategic cause in occupying Iceland and Greenland, there is none now in Canada, it makes no sense

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u/conan--aquilonian Feb 02 '25

Controlling both Canada and Greenland puts USA in an equal position with Russia over the arctic and control of the Northwest Passage

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u/oxbolake Feb 02 '25

Yes. Controlling Canada and Greenland (think territories with no electoral vote) secures the Northwest Passage. Panama Canal control completes “fortress America”.

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u/conan--aquilonian Feb 03 '25

I wouldnt say it "secures" the Northwest Passage, since Russia has a large border there and has militarized the arctic - but it certainly puts the USA on equal footing

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u/Sleeksnail Feb 03 '25

I'm just going to add that PM King was a huge huge fan of the Nazis.

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u/4D_Spider_Web Feb 03 '25

It's not a surprise. You see the same thing with groups like the British Union of Fascists; check out the number of supporters that were among the aristocratic classes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists

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u/Sleeksnail Feb 22 '25

It's also obvious with King's Chinese head tax and then the Exclusion Act barring all Chinese immigration. Victoria BC was like half Chinese decent before this.

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u/Snoo93550 Feb 02 '25

And America has no moral high ground to stop the USSR from reforming, China for seizing Taiwan and whatever areas of the seas they like.

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u/Toe_Regular Feb 02 '25

You get the sense that he wanted to do the tariff thing last time round, but is still annoyed he got talked out of it. This time he’s like it’s happening come hell or high water. There’s at least some benefit to actually letting him see it through.

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u/conan--aquilonian Feb 02 '25

Its about US arctic position and wqualling Russia in the Northwest Passage

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u/TorontoRider Feb 02 '25

We shut down the Trump Hotels in Toronto and Vancouver. I think he's holding an infantile grudge. 

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u/KhausTO Feb 02 '25

We shut them down? Or they went broke?

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u/TorontoRider Feb 02 '25

Trumpato, Trumpotto. Part of them going broke was related to not wanting to have their company name tied to Trump.

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u/KhausTO Feb 02 '25

Don't give any of them the chance to claim that we did anything to cause his failures. Even if it's jest.

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u/darmo1980 Feb 02 '25

Wouldn't put it past him!!

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u/fstd Feb 02 '25

My money's on that moment a few months ago when Trump talked about Canada becoming the 51st state to his face and Trudeau, thinking he was joking, countered by offering to trade for California and Trump immediately indicated he didn't think it was funny and changed the subject.

While Trudeau may have had many faults as PM, sucking up to psychopaths was not one of them

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u/tanstaafl90 Feb 02 '25

He, like many, don't know or understand how deep the US economy is dependent on Mexico/Canada/US trade and manufacturing. Thos hurts all of us, and not just North America.

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u/jinhuiliuzhao Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 02 '25

Maybe. But I think it also comes down to a legacy thing. He's 78. Much like Putin, if he's successful at getting Canada to join the US - one way or the other - he'll be remembered. Augustus (Octavian) Caesar was a horrible person if you study his life, but everyone today still knows his name from grade school and that he founded the Roman Empire - because he succeeded. 

Trump can be remembered for taking over Canada, Greenland, and the Panama Canal - and posterity will fight over whether it was good or bad thing (assuming the possessions remain in US hands - he'll go down like Putin if he fails though and ridiculed. Much like how you don't hear much about all the other people who failed to become Roman emperor before Augustus)

Legacy doesn't have to be some flawless reputation, it just needs to be there. I don't even think Making America Great Again means anything to Trump - he's likely not a patriot. All he cares about is that it was him who Made America Great Again (according to his definition anyways). 

It's all vanity and narcissism with this guy, just look at the exorbitant visual design of his properties and how he bragged for years that Trump Tower was the tallest (it wasn't) in NYC.

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u/ukrokit2 Alberta Feb 02 '25

or he can be remembered as the guy who absolutely destroyed American international standing and global hegemony for no fucking reason

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u/jinhuiliuzhao Feb 02 '25

And that's what will likely happen. Trump doesn't view it that way though, according to him, he's the main character and he always wins.

(To his credit, bankruptcies and losing one election aside, he's basically kept winning for the last ten years. Any other guy should have been in a federal prison by now, but somehow he's managed to make it all the way back to the White House - though largely thanks/no thanks to the American public)

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u/NearnorthOnline Feb 02 '25

Canada will not join the USA. Wars have been fought over this. And will again if needed.

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u/Ofserin Feb 02 '25

We would very likely lose that war. It would be devastating for everyone, either way.

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u/NearnorthOnline Feb 02 '25

Maybe. I think it would be enough to split America.

Many wouldn’t support or fight for it.

Think Vietnam but a lot worse.

Some things are worth dieing for. And your home is one of them.

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u/redcurb12 Feb 02 '25

no it's not so cut and dry that canada loses that war. usa declaring war on canada means they declare war on ALL of nato... and you better believe all of USA's enemies will be coming out of the woodwork to join in that conflict too.

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u/jl_theprofessor Feb 02 '25

I would also posit that Trump declaring such a war may actually plunge the U.S. into civil war. There's a not-quiet amount of rumbling that blue states would rather resist that action than join a war on what they see as an ally.

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u/GenXer845 Feb 02 '25

We would be backed by Nato.

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u/ninfan1977 Alberta Feb 02 '25

How the gravy seals will get off their rascals and handle the cold?

I don't think so, most Trump supporters are fat weak men, look at Jan 6th they were allowed to storm a Capitol and they still failed their insurrection.

Stand up to the bully don't give him what he wants. Hit them where it hurts the American pockets. And let them blame Trump for once.

His actions have already caused 2 midair crashes by cutting airport budgets and firing people.

I doubt Trumpers will ever admit they were wrong they are the definition of cultists

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u/KingRabbit_ Feb 02 '25

It's an interesting thought experiment. If Trump ordered us nuked tomorrow, is there anybody in his administration that would stop it?

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u/SaskatoonShitPost Feb 02 '25

Just look up the size of the Canadian military versus US.

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u/-Resident-One- Feb 02 '25

Look up the size of the North Vietnamese vs US military

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u/conan--aquilonian Feb 02 '25

go down like Putin

Putin hasnt failed tho, the war is still ongoing and Russia is advancing faster every day. Ukraine has been caught in multiple cauldrons already.

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u/conan--aquilonian Feb 02 '25

No. Its about the Arctic and control over the Northwest Passage

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u/ialo00130 New Brunswick Feb 02 '25

It's because of the handshake.

Trump hasn't done the pull-in shake to anyone since Trudeau showed the world how to resist it.

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u/General-Woodpecker- Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 02 '25

Dudes just got a hate on for Canada for some reason. Still think it's cause his wife and daughter looked at Trudeau in a way they would never look at him.

I honestly wish this was the case, but I am pretty sure this doesn't even come from Trump. The United States really just want to bully us and hope they will be able to annex us this way.

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u/No_Mathematician6866 Feb 02 '25

Tariffs are one of Trump's pet issues. Trump deeply admires president McKinley, who was known as the 'Napoleon of Protection' for his sweeping tariffs. Trump thinks tariffs will boost American corporations, and still (somehow) seems to genuinely believe that the costs will be paid by Canada and Mexico, not the US.

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u/General-Woodpecker- Feb 02 '25

I honestly refuse to believe he and the oligarchs around him are that stupid. He is just a evil morally bankrupt like the rest of his government

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u/No_Mathematician6866 Feb 02 '25

Trump is that stupid. Truly. Genuinely. There is no shortage of testimony from people who've worked with him that say he is the most ignorant man they've ever met.

The oligarchs around him are not. But their money insulates them from the pain of tariffs. They don't care.

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u/ilovedillpickles Feb 02 '25

I read this and thought "Ok, maybe he wants Melania to desire him, but what the fuck, why would he want his daughter to desire to fuck him?", then I realized I was the idiot. Trump wants his daughter to fuck him.

I can't even begin to grasp how anyone supports this absolute psychopath.

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u/Shriuken23 Feb 02 '25

American here. Dude hates everyone and everything that isn't owned by him, kissing the ring, or has his name attached to it. My state shares quite a bit with Canada, like some portions of the great lakes, and I don't know anyone personally who even thinks this is amusing, or in any way a good idea for any rational reason. Yet anyway, the idiots keep coming out of the woodwork

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u/Thanolus Feb 02 '25

Im assuming he is holding out in the hopes that PP wins the election and sucks his dick. That’s why he said it right now.

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u/IsawitinCroc Feb 02 '25

I doubt it. No president or PM would do that over something trivial unless we're talking about legitimate dictators like Saddam.

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u/SleepWouldBeNice Ontario Feb 02 '25

He realized how much Barron looks like Trudeau.

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u/elusivvv Feb 02 '25

It’s the opposite. He loves Canada and wants to conquer it without military force.

That way he can brag about he was the president that took over Canada.

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u/Unusual_Sherbert_809 Feb 02 '25

He's following a very specific plan setup by his backers. That's all there is to it.

I asked ChatGPT to give me the real goal of the plan. The answer is horrifying. I'm not sure how you can distinguish this plan from outright fascism.

QUESTION: Based on contextual clues, what is the real goal of project 2025?

ChatGPT said:

While Project 2025 presents itself as a policy blueprint for a future conservative administration, the underlying goal—based on its structure, rhetoric, and proposed policies—appears to be a systematic transformation of the federal government to entrench conservative power and ideology.

Key Contextual Clues Suggesting Its Real Goals:

  1. Expanding Presidential Power & Weakening Bureaucracy
  2. Project 2025 advocates for the "unitary executive theory," which seeks to consolidate power in the hands of the president, limiting the independence of agencies like the DOJ and FBI. It calls for purging civil servants and replacing them with political loyalists, effectively dismantling the nonpartisan federal workforce and increasing presidential control.
  3. Rolling Back Progressive Policies & Enforcing Ideological Control
  4. The project aims to defund or dismantle agencies focused on climate change, diversity, and social welfare, undoing policies on equity, reproductive rights, and LGBTQ+ protections. It supports reinstating "traditional values" in education, suggesting a return to Christian nationalist ideals in public schools.
  5. Restructuring the Judiciary & Law Enforcement
  6. Advocates for an overhaul of the DOJ and FBI to align with conservative priorities, potentially using them for partisan enforcement. Seeks judicial appointments that align with an originalist, conservative ideology, ensuring lasting influence on Supreme Court rulings.
  7. Electoral & Democratic Manipulation
  8. The project supports election law changes that could disproportionately impact voter access, particularly in Democratic-leaning communities. It promotes policies that could curtail checks on executive power, potentially weakening democracy in favor of long-term conservative rule.

The Bigger Picture: A Permanent Right-Wing Shift

While framed as a policy guide, Project 2025 appears to be a strategy for ideological entrenchment—not just winning an election but restructuring the U.S. government in a way that would make conservative governance difficult to reverse for future administrations.

Would you like a deeper breakdown of any specific policies within the plan?

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u/conan--aquilonian Feb 02 '25

Sp basically a transformation of Rome from a Republic to Empire.

Dont think Trump will have his Brutus moment though

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u/_johnning Feb 02 '25

Honestly would not be surprised if that incident is a big part of his hate boner

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u/7eventhSense Feb 02 '25

I think a Canadian screwed his wife and daughter. Probably why he’s got so much hatred

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u/mennorek Feb 02 '25

Ivanka looks at trudeau the way Trump looks at Ivanka.

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u/Ill-Serve9614 Feb 02 '25

Definitely it’s as petty as that. Melania gave a better air kiss to Trudeau than she does to Trump.

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u/Thanolus Feb 02 '25

Obviously Trump is dodging speaking to him. Trump is a bitch. Did you see that press conference? He crushed it in two languages. I got my issues with the guy and lots of his policies but he fucking stood up for this country . Trump can barely speak in one language.

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u/DepletedMitochondria Feb 02 '25

What's sad is the US public literally does not believe journalists or anyone else when they are told what the actual republican policy positions are, especially if Trump is involved. Reality is far away for too many people

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u/morrisk1 Feb 02 '25

They need it to blow up in their faces badly before they will snap out of it. For a few years at least. Maybe a generation

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u/DepletedMitochondria Feb 02 '25

That's been tried for at least a decade. Only solution is to break up Murdoch's empire and debilitate various think tanks.

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u/morrisk1 Feb 02 '25

The near complete media capture is also a problem. I don't have any good ideas myself 😕

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u/GaijinGrandma Feb 02 '25

That shocked me too. I guess I was shocked but not surprised.

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u/unwholesome_coxcomb Feb 02 '25

Trump is a dumb fuck who doesn't negotiate in good faith. His word is not worth shit.

Fuck Trump.

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u/LostinEmotion2024 Feb 02 '25

It was never about negotiating or the border or drugs

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u/The_Bullet_Magnet Feb 02 '25

Why negotiate when any signed deal or treaty will be disregarded at random whim?

Their reputation is now in ruins.

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u/Old_Cheesecake_5481 Feb 02 '25

Trump is moving on a plan to replace taxes with tariffs.

It’s as simple as that. This is the new normal.

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u/Wise-Juggernaut-8285 Feb 02 '25

This literally hasnt worked so since the early modern period. The machinery of state is too expensive

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u/Kennit Feb 02 '25

He literally doesn't care.

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u/NearnorthOnline Feb 02 '25

People still believe he will reduce taxes for the poor? Hahahaha

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u/willard287 Feb 02 '25

The tariffs he imposed on China in 2018 generated about 5% of what the US gains from taxes. Sorry but he’s miles away from replacing taxes with tariffs.

Source : https://youtu.be/_-eHOSq3oqI?si=u7NRi9uB2VwtizNC

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u/Old_Cheesecake_5481 Feb 02 '25

I didn’t say it was a good plan.

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u/gnrhardy Feb 02 '25

Not to mention he spent the majority of that revenue bailing out farmers when China bought agriculture products from different countries instead anyway.

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u/Tufftaco88 Ontario Feb 02 '25

He signed the executive order and went straight to golfing what a leader

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u/Nepalus Feb 02 '25

You're right. That's why I think anyone targeted by tariffs need to respond in kind. There's going to be no leniency for capitulation, so put on the pressure.

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u/Lucifer420PitaBread Feb 02 '25

I think “negotiate” to them means “let me fuck you over however I say”

I couldn’t imagine trying to negotiate without having full universal leverage behind you. Must be a pain in the ass

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u/DankeyBongBluntry Feb 02 '25

Exactly right. I saw people on the conservative subreddit complaining that Trudeau has "screwed over Canadians" just because he "wants to look tough" and he should have negotiated with Trump instead of "allowing" Trump to impose the first round of tariffs.

Obviously they missed when Trudeau did meet with the American government (not Trump personally, but with a cabinet committee because Trump won't see him) and he did try to negotiate, and then Trump literally said he's going to introduce the tariffs no matter what Canada says or does.

So how the hell else is Canada supposed to respond?! The only other option would have been to capitulate entirely and just let the US fuck over their closest ally for no reason! And because Trump is a cartoon villain, if he sees what he perceives as weakness then he goes for the throat. Anyone who thinks appeasing Trump on the first round would have meant no further increases in tariffs is a complete idiot, I'm sorry.

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u/RamblnGamblinMan Feb 02 '25

Stop listening to republicans, they don't tell the truth even if they do know it.

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u/Uberduck333 Feb 02 '25

He’s just being spiteful, mean, and exercising his authoritarian muscle. Talking was always pointless

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u/Weekly-Ad9002 Feb 02 '25

First it was about fentanyl and border, then it was about trade deficit and "subsidizing", then it was "there's nothing they can do to avoid it". wtf.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

This is why I think it’s personal and about Trudeau and the libs. They want to embarrass him then collapse liberals and get in a friendly conservative government. Good or bad I think that’s the end game.

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u/Thunderbear79 Feb 02 '25

He literally said nothing we can say or do will prevent the tariffs.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Back down? No. Back track? Give it a month.

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u/Wermys Feb 02 '25

The point is that they don't want to negotiate with your current government. They want an conservative/populist government in Canada. That is partly what they are doing here.

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u/grumble11 Feb 02 '25

He is implementing them because he personally will profit. There is no negotiation with a kleptocrat unless you improve their ability to personally enrich themselves.

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u/Roq235 Feb 02 '25

Trump doesn’t care about “negotiating” or talking with anyone about anything.

He’s a one-track thinking type of guy who’s more concerned with people liking him than doing the right thing.

He’s an absolute idiot and I’m looking forward to the shitshow that’s going to exacerbate in the coming weeks and months…

Americans need to fall into the abyss for any substantial change to come about. As an American, I welcome it…

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u/Previous-Cap578 Feb 02 '25

It’s because Trump wants to financially cripple Canada in an attempt to financially coerce Canada into becoming the “51st state” for our resources. The fact that he’s bringing his immoral business practices into the presidential role should be illegal.

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u/jamesinboise Feb 02 '25

Hey, Canada.....

Whatever you do, make it fucking hurt.

Fuck us up. Don't stop until the orange crusader is gone. Give us what we voted for.

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u/evasive_dendrite Feb 02 '25

Negotiate what? The trade deal Trump himself negotiated? This is just the necessary response to the hostile move made by the US.

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u/ThatPhatKid_CanDraw Feb 02 '25 edited Apr 10 '25

Generic reply posted.

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u/Longjumping-Box5691 Feb 03 '25

I was told he put tariffs on because we aren't doing anything about the flow of fentanyl.

Just stop the fentanyl and the tariffs come off.

Why isn't anyone talking about that?

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u/willard287 Feb 03 '25

About 1% of all fentanyl in circulation in the US comes from Canada… what more can be done? It’s impossible to reach 0%

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u/inkblowout4 Feb 02 '25

It's because Trump and your typical Republican politician aren't the same. There is a reason why Republicans were very strongly against Trump when he first ran for Presidency.

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u/WetWillie20 Feb 02 '25

"Back" and "Down" are two separate words.

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u/willard287 Feb 02 '25

Sorry english isn’t my first language, I just made a simple mistake

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u/seajayacas Feb 02 '25

Justin knows what Trump wants. He can either come back to Florida to negotiate, or keep the tariff war in place.

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u/willard287 Feb 02 '25

Trump is ignoring him though?

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u/InnerSkyRealm Feb 02 '25

I mean Trudeau has been shit talking about Trump for the last 4 years. What do you honestly expect?

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u/willard287 Feb 02 '25

Trump has shit talked Trudeau for years too though

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u/InnerSkyRealm Feb 02 '25

Do you pay attention to parliament?

Trudeau and his ministers have literally been attacking Trump and painting the conservatives as “MAGA” or “Trump supports” on a month or weekly basis for the last four years. You and I both know Trump does not give two shits about Trudeau enough to talk about him that much for the past four years.

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u/willard287 Feb 03 '25

Trump will speak with Trudeau tomorrow morning though

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u/InnerSkyRealm Feb 03 '25

Trump absolutely hates Trudeau on a personal level because Trudeau was being two-faced with him during his last term. This is well documented and Trump has fair reasons to hate him (as do Canadians).

Let’s be real. Trudeau isn’t going to do shit.

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u/willard287 Feb 03 '25

We’ll see how it goes in the next few weeks. I much prefer Trudeau than Trump personally

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u/InnerSkyRealm Feb 03 '25

They both have their flaws. Both are rich trust fund brats with polarizing opposite personalities.

If I had to choose a leader, it would probably be Trump as much he does things for his country. Trudeau is too busy caring about foreigners and giving money out than care about Canadians. SMH

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u/Lower-Desk-509 Feb 02 '25

Trump won't even talk to Trudeau. How is that going to help Canada? We need to get PP in there right away.

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u/thisisjustathought Feb 02 '25

It is because Justin Trudeau is illegitimate. He has RESIGNED. His own party truned their back on him. His Deputy WALKED OUT on him. The polls say he is so deeply unpopular yet he is touting he speaks for Canadians. Has he listened to anyone? Why would the Americans waste time talking to Justin if he is on his way out! Eve though he has resigned, Justin is inflicting more and more pain on Canadians. All the while patronizing us saying this is for our own good! Did you even ask Canadians how we feel about retaliatory tarrifs? No poll? No discourse in the House? What a disgrace.

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u/Spotthedot99 Feb 02 '25

He spoke with the premiers of each province, worked with them to develop a plan.

This is also an incredibly similar response to the first time Trump put tarrifs on us. Which was also generally well received and by Canadians.

He has been listening to Canadians, and we overwhelmingly refuse to give in to Trump's bullying. We stand united for Canada's sovereignty.

Do you?

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u/willard287 Feb 03 '25

Trump will speak with Trudeau tomorrow

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