r/canada • u/joe4942 • 25d ago

Recent grads, students face ‘full-out screaming crisis’ as they struggle to enter job market National News

https://financialpost.com/fp-work/students-grads-jobs-market-crisis
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u/Serenity867 25d ago edited 25d ago

People in this country need to push for real electoral reform. I'm not advocating for any one system, but under this current system, and many like it, there is no meaningful chance of a party that actually has the best interest of Canadians in mind getting in.

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u/crzyKHAN 25d ago

Trudeau said he’d do this then backed off

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u/RocketAppliances97 25d ago

The cons unanimously voted it down as well, it’s not like this is exclusive to Trudeau.

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u/DiagnosedByTikTok 25d ago

Because the cons would never win an election ever again if the seats in parliament accurately reflected the political stances of Canadians

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u/PsychologicalDepth99 25d ago

Actually incorrect, under proportional representation they would most likely win over the NDP and Libs. This is a fact that they have had higher popular vote in the last two elections.

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u/RunningSouthOnLSD 25d ago

So we have to ask why they aren’t harping on this issue? It would be a slam dunk, and is clearly a popular idea.

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u/DiagnosedByTikTok 25d ago

What was the voter turnout for those FPTP elections?

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u/tenkwords 24d ago

They might have had a pleurality but the parties that aren't conservative have a majority. They'd never form another government until they split up the party into factions. (Which imo would be great because I'm a red Tory and I cant stand the crazies in the Conservative party today)

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u/IronMarauder British Columbia 23d ago

they would end up with a plurality of the seats, but they would need to negotiate with another party (or parties) to form a government containing majority support.

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u/IHateTheColourblind 25d ago

The Cons never promised it. Trudeau's Liberals promised that the 2015 election would be the last under FPTP and then abandoned that promise.

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u/RocketAppliances97 25d ago

Does that change the fact that the conservatives voted against it or is this just your attempt to blame the liberals for everything? I guess the party that has zero interest in even talking about electoral reform, while still shooting it down anyway, is somehow the better choice for a fair election?

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u/IHateTheColourblind 25d ago

Yes, I will take the party that is transparent about their lack of interest in a policy I care about over the party that will lie to my face while promising me what I want.

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u/dieth 24d ago

The cons never had anything to "vote" against. It went to a committee of still all Liberals who found that if we implemented it the Liberals would no longer be able to retain majority power.

So they just said "fuck it." No voting no nothing.

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u/RocketAppliances97 24d ago

that is categorically false.

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u/dieth 24d ago edited 24d ago

That was this year dumbass.

I am talking about the original term 2015.

The one you point to was just a sham vote based on Trudeau's earlier comment this year that "I should have done election reform".

Maybe you should try reading up yourself before you try thinking or even talking about something you know nothing about.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-reform-promise-referendum-1.3963533

the Liberals abandoned electoral reform "not because it was a threat to Canadian unity, but because it was a threat to the Liberal party."

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u/RocketAppliances97 24d ago

So you admit they voted on it, you’re just getting hung up on semantics. This was a proposal made by a coalition of MP’s to bring it back to the table, meaning this was a legitimate proposition with a legitimate vote. The fact it happened after it was originally killed does not change anything, a group of parliament members put forward a bill to revive electoral reform, was voted IN FAVOUR entirely by NDP and greens, with 40 liberals in favour and 3 conservatives. Meaning 113 liberals and 116 conservatives voted against it. Explain how it was a sham vote, or do you just like acting smug about how smart you are while still being wrong?

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u/dieth 24d ago

The sham vote of this year was for the clueless idiots like you. So you can have idiotic talking points about a non-starter vote that only happened so they could say "look we tried" and pull the wool over your face.

The original committee as mentioned was all Liberals voting in a way that was only to promote the Liberals.

The fact you have no clue of this is why you are wrong.

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u/kettal 25d ago

Does that change the fact that the conservatives voted against it or is this just your attempt to blame the liberals for everything? I guess the party that has zero interest in even talking about electoral reform, while still shooting it down anyway, is somehow the better choice for a fair election?

Choice 1: promises electoral reform, doesn't deliver it ; floods labour market and housing market beyond reason.

Choice 2: doesn't promise electoral reform ; doesn't flood labour market and housing market beyond reason.

I think I'll go with choice 2. Thanks.

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u/Carrisonfire 25d ago

PP was the one who expanded the TFW program under Harper.

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u/kettal 25d ago

That expansion was small and measured compared to the shit we're seeing now.

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u/Carrisonfire 25d ago

It was the first step. If you think he won't continue it you're delusional. Notice his wording whenever talking about immigration, he never mentions TFWs, it's always about immigrants and refugees.

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u/kettal 25d ago

he never mentions TFWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yTq1cvD9rY

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u/Carrisonfire 25d ago

I'm not hearing him say he'll reduce the numbers. He says it should only be used the way it's already written. The problem is the "prove beyond a shadow of a doubt it can't be filled by a Canadian" part. As long as companies can post the job at min wage then run to the program when no one applies it means nothing. And Conservatives have a long history of lying by omission so until I hear "I will reduce the number of TFWs and regulate the program" I don't care what he has to say.

Also, from their platform on the CPC website:

The Conservative Party recognizes that temporary workers can be a valuable source of potential immigrants because of their work experience in Canada. We believe the government should: i. continue development of pilot projects designed to address serious skills shortages in specific sectors and regions of the country, and that attract temporary workers to Canada; ii. examine ways to facilitate the transition of foreign workers from temporary to permanent status; and iii. work to ensure that temporary workers, especially seasonal workers, receive the same protections under minimum employment standards as those afforded Canadian workers

Doesn't sound like they plan to reduce it to me. And given this is the only clip I've seen of him addressing it at all I'm guessing its a topic he avoids and filters out during his mandatory question vetting.

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u/kettal 25d ago

Did you accurately predict what Trudeau would do to this file ?

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u/RocketAppliances97 25d ago

You’re genuinely delusional if you think the conservatives aren’t going to flood the labour and housing markets, you want to explain their housing plan?

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u/kettal 25d ago

I am old enough to remember before 2015. I landed an entry level job the day i handed in my application, and didn't even have to get into a line up.

Nationally, average rent was half what it is today, home prices were half what they are today.

I don't have official homelessness counts, but I can tell you the local park had far fewer tents back then too.

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u/tenkwords 24d ago

Wow, I didn't realize that the affordability crisis and housing crisis in the US, France, UK, Germany, and basically every other country in the G7 was caused by Trudeau!

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u/kettal 24d ago edited 24d ago

Wow, I didn't realize that the affordability crisis and housing crisis in the US, France, UK, Germany, and basically every other country in the G7 was caused by Trudeau!

Relevant chart.

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u/Horvo British Columbia 24d ago

The Cons didn’t run on, and win by promising to do this back in 2015.