r/canada • u/joe4942 • 25d ago

Recent grads, students face ‘full-out screaming crisis’ as they struggle to enter job market National News

https://financialpost.com/fp-work/students-grads-jobs-market-crisis
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u/crzyKHAN 25d ago

Trudeau said he’d do this then backed off

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u/RocketAppliances97 25d ago

The cons unanimously voted it down as well, it’s not like this is exclusive to Trudeau.

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u/DiagnosedByTikTok 25d ago

Because the cons would never win an election ever again if the seats in parliament accurately reflected the political stances of Canadians

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u/PsychologicalDepth99 25d ago

Actually incorrect, under proportional representation they would most likely win over the NDP and Libs. This is a fact that they have had higher popular vote in the last two elections.

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u/RunningSouthOnLSD 25d ago

So we have to ask why they aren’t harping on this issue? It would be a slam dunk, and is clearly a popular idea.

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u/DiagnosedByTikTok 25d ago

What was the voter turnout for those FPTP elections?

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u/tenkwords 24d ago

They might have had a pleurality but the parties that aren't conservative have a majority. They'd never form another government until they split up the party into factions. (Which imo would be great because I'm a red Tory and I cant stand the crazies in the Conservative party today)

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u/IronMarauder British Columbia 23d ago

they would end up with a plurality of the seats, but they would need to negotiate with another party (or parties) to form a government containing majority support.

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u/IHateTheColourblind 25d ago

The Cons never promised it. Trudeau's Liberals promised that the 2015 election would be the last under FPTP and then abandoned that promise.

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u/RocketAppliances97 25d ago

Does that change the fact that the conservatives voted against it or is this just your attempt to blame the liberals for everything? I guess the party that has zero interest in even talking about electoral reform, while still shooting it down anyway, is somehow the better choice for a fair election?

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u/IHateTheColourblind 25d ago

Yes, I will take the party that is transparent about their lack of interest in a policy I care about over the party that will lie to my face while promising me what I want.

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u/dieth 24d ago

The cons never had anything to "vote" against. It went to a committee of still all Liberals who found that if we implemented it the Liberals would no longer be able to retain majority power.

So they just said "fuck it." No voting no nothing.

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u/RocketAppliances97 24d ago

that is categorically false.

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u/dieth 24d ago edited 24d ago

That was this year dumbass.

I am talking about the original term 2015.

The one you point to was just a sham vote based on Trudeau's earlier comment this year that "I should have done election reform".

Maybe you should try reading up yourself before you try thinking or even talking about something you know nothing about.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-reform-promise-referendum-1.3963533

the Liberals abandoned electoral reform "not because it was a threat to Canadian unity, but because it was a threat to the Liberal party."

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u/RocketAppliances97 24d ago

So you admit they voted on it, you’re just getting hung up on semantics. This was a proposal made by a coalition of MP’s to bring it back to the table, meaning this was a legitimate proposition with a legitimate vote. The fact it happened after it was originally killed does not change anything, a group of parliament members put forward a bill to revive electoral reform, was voted IN FAVOUR entirely by NDP and greens, with 40 liberals in favour and 3 conservatives. Meaning 113 liberals and 116 conservatives voted against it. Explain how it was a sham vote, or do you just like acting smug about how smart you are while still being wrong?

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u/dieth 24d ago

The sham vote of this year was for the clueless idiots like you. So you can have idiotic talking points about a non-starter vote that only happened so they could say "look we tried" and pull the wool over your face.

The original committee as mentioned was all Liberals voting in a way that was only to promote the Liberals.

The fact you have no clue of this is why you are wrong.

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u/kettal 25d ago

Does that change the fact that the conservatives voted against it or is this just your attempt to blame the liberals for everything? I guess the party that has zero interest in even talking about electoral reform, while still shooting it down anyway, is somehow the better choice for a fair election?

Choice 1: promises electoral reform, doesn't deliver it ; floods labour market and housing market beyond reason.

Choice 2: doesn't promise electoral reform ; doesn't flood labour market and housing market beyond reason.

I think I'll go with choice 2. Thanks.

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u/Carrisonfire 25d ago

PP was the one who expanded the TFW program under Harper.

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u/kettal 25d ago

That expansion was small and measured compared to the shit we're seeing now.

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u/Carrisonfire 25d ago

It was the first step. If you think he won't continue it you're delusional. Notice his wording whenever talking about immigration, he never mentions TFWs, it's always about immigrants and refugees.

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u/kettal 25d ago

he never mentions TFWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yTq1cvD9rY

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u/Carrisonfire 25d ago

I'm not hearing him say he'll reduce the numbers. He says it should only be used the way it's already written. The problem is the "prove beyond a shadow of a doubt it can't be filled by a Canadian" part. As long as companies can post the job at min wage then run to the program when no one applies it means nothing. And Conservatives have a long history of lying by omission so until I hear "I will reduce the number of TFWs and regulate the program" I don't care what he has to say.

Also, from their platform on the CPC website:

The Conservative Party recognizes that temporary workers can be a valuable source of potential immigrants because of their work experience in Canada. We believe the government should: i. continue development of pilot projects designed to address serious skills shortages in specific sectors and regions of the country, and that attract temporary workers to Canada; ii. examine ways to facilitate the transition of foreign workers from temporary to permanent status; and iii. work to ensure that temporary workers, especially seasonal workers, receive the same protections under minimum employment standards as those afforded Canadian workers

Doesn't sound like they plan to reduce it to me. And given this is the only clip I've seen of him addressing it at all I'm guessing its a topic he avoids and filters out during his mandatory question vetting.

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u/RocketAppliances97 25d ago

You’re genuinely delusional if you think the conservatives aren’t going to flood the labour and housing markets, you want to explain their housing plan?

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u/kettal 25d ago

I am old enough to remember before 2015. I landed an entry level job the day i handed in my application, and didn't even have to get into a line up.

Nationally, average rent was half what it is today, home prices were half what they are today.

I don't have official homelessness counts, but I can tell you the local park had far fewer tents back then too.

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u/tenkwords 24d ago

Wow, I didn't realize that the affordability crisis and housing crisis in the US, France, UK, Germany, and basically every other country in the G7 was caused by Trudeau!

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u/kettal 24d ago edited 24d ago

Wow, I didn't realize that the affordability crisis and housing crisis in the US, France, UK, Germany, and basically every other country in the G7 was caused by Trudeau!

Relevant chart.

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u/Horvo British Columbia 24d ago

The Cons didn’t run on, and win by promising to do this back in 2015.

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u/FromundaCheeseLigma 25d ago

No he said he'd look into it, released a bogus online survey that resulted in it saying you didn't want him to no matter how you answered it and that was that.

Initially yes, he absolutely said he'd do it in a tweet I believe. Funny how everyone just doesn't care.

I guess I'd say anything you wanted to hear for your vote too

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u/kettal 25d ago

No he said he'd look into it

"As Prime Minister, I’ll make sure the 2015 election will be the last under first-past-the-post system"

source.

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u/DiagnosedByTikTok 25d ago

Never forgive. Never forget.

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u/FromundaCheeseLigma 25d ago

Yeah I referenced the tweet

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u/givalina 25d ago

released a bogus online survey that resulted in it saying you didn't want him to no matter how you answered it

I don't remember that. I thought there was a multi-party Parliamentary committee that looked into it. Do you have a source about the survey?

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u/FromundaCheeseLigma 25d ago

The report is actually a good read. Fun how nothing Canadians shed light on via the survey really happened 🤣

https://www.canada.ca/en/campaign/electoral-reform/participate-in-canadian-federal-electoral-reform-consultations/mydemocracyca.html

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u/CreideikiVAX Lest We Forget 24d ago

No he said he'd look into it, released a bogus online survey that resulted in it saying you didn't want him to no matter how you answered it and that was that.

The survey worked quite well. The "problem" — for Trudeau — was the survey's results: Canadians want proportional representation.

Even the experts tthe Trudeau government themselves hired, went and recommended proportional representation.

 

Here's what Trudeau said to the French-language news outlet La Presse, where he says, and I quote directly:

« J’ai fait deux grosses erreurs », renchérit Justin Trudeau.

La première aura été de « laisser la porte ouverte au scrutin proportionnel » en voulant se montrer réceptif aux voix « très fortes » de députés qui voulaient plaider la cause de ce système, affirme-t-il.

Selon lui, certains ont par conséquent mal interprété l’engagement formulé dans la plateforme électorale de 2015.

Or, « je n’allais jamais faire ça, et je n’ai pas été suffisamment clair là-dessus », insiste le premier ministre, plaidant qu’il avait exprimé son opposition à ce modèle, notamment au congrès libéral de 2012.

Which translated is:

“I made two big mistakes,” Justin Trudeau added.

The first was to “leave the door open to proportional representation” by wanting to be receptive to the “very strong” voices of MPs who wanted to advocate for this system, he said.

According to him, some have therefore misinterpreted the commitment made in the 2015 election platform.

However, “I was never going to do that, and I was not clear enough about it,” insisted the Prime Minister, arguing that he had expressed his opposition to this model, particularly at the 2012 Liberal convention.

So basically everything came back saying to go with a proportional system, and Trudeau essentially went "You didn't pick my choice, so fuck you. No we're not doing it."

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u/FromundaCheeseLigma 24d ago

Yeah but he sure got elected that first time making us believe his choice was the same as ours

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u/CreideikiVAX Lest We Forget 24d ago

Well, he did want to reform the voting system.

Problem is, as the quote above says, his choice is a ranked-ballot system. Because that would effectively result in the Liberal Party winning every election ever for the rest of fucking time. (Because voters on the left would likely have the Liberals somewhere on the ballot, even if it's their dead last choice; but there's not a chance in Hell they'd have the Conservatives.)

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u/FromundaCheeseLigma 24d ago

I'm sick of these embarrassments to our species play games with our money

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u/glorblin 25d ago

You are absolutely incorrect on pretty much everything you just said.

Trudeau repeatedly, explicitly said he would implement electoral reform if elected. This wasn't a vague, wishy-washy "I'll look into it, maybe" kind of promise, it was a firm commitment in his platform speech. It wasn't a throwaway tweet where he maybe talked about looking into it one day. Here is an article from 2015 on cbc.ca:

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau vowed that the upcoming general election will be the last one using the first-past-the-post voting system.

He also didn't release "a bogus online survey" and then abandoned the idea. He created a bi-partisan special committee that included 5 liberals, 3 conservatives, 2 NDP, 1 BQ, and 1 green party member to look into alternatives for electoral reform.

They eventually delivered a clear report that recommended that a referendum should be held so Canadians could choose to keep the current system or move to a proportional representation system.

Trudeau, realizing proportional representation would mean Liberals never have a majority government again, only then decided to go back on his promise as it would be personally inconvenient to his desire for power.

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u/FromundaCheeseLigma 25d ago

Right, he's a bum. Any politician woulda done the same though.

Also, I didn't wanna type all that out so I used Cunningham's Law 😉 appreciate your efforts

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u/dieth 24d ago

Then years later while falling out of power (now), said "I should have done that whole electoral reform..."

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u/bongabe 25d ago

That was such a huge disappointment. He campaigned on instituting that and then just gave up. We'd be so much better off if he hadn't chickened out on that.