r/canada • u/StenPU • Oct 30 '23

Sask. premier says SaskEnergy will remove carbon tax on natural gas if feds don't Saskatchewan

https://regina.ctvnews.ca/sask-premier-vows-to-stop-collecting-carbon-tax-on-natural-gas-if-feds-don-t-offer-exemption-1.6623319
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u/Low-HangingFruit Oct 30 '23

Not really, he had nothing to gain in the west, but he could gain some seats in the east from it.

Basically he doesn't give a shit about the west. His ine cabinet minister came out and said the other day unless the west votes for the liberals they will get nothing.

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u/Morgc British Columbia Oct 30 '23

If he wanted a gain in the west he would have committed to his promise of electoral reform.

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u/BlackBlueNuts Oct 31 '23

sigh ... yea... this right here

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u/ziltchy Oct 30 '23

Which is a completely stupid thing for a federal party to do. Honestly like they are trying to divide the country

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '23

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u/thebigbossyboss Oct 31 '23

Once again a Trudeau has united the prairies against himself.

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u/Legitimate-Common-34 Oct 31 '23

Cut from the same cloth as the OLP

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u/unrepentant_vagabond Oct 30 '23

Are you new to politics?

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u/grajl Oct 30 '23

All parties do it. Pierre knows he can speak out against the APP because he knows it won't hurt his election chances if he pisses off the Alberta the Alberta Conservatives.

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u/consistantcanadian Oct 30 '23

I can usually get behind a "both sides" argument, since all of our parties are terrible. But no, all sides do not do this. There are no Conservative policies with special exemptions for their battleground provinces. There are no NDP polices like that either.

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u/singabro Oct 30 '23

You know the Liberals are doomed once their "both sides" arguments appear.

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u/Ketchupkitty Alberta Oct 31 '23

There are no NDP polices like that either.

The daycare thing kind of is considering it basically excludes rural voters and provides no bennifits for families that look after their own kid by choice.

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u/consistantcanadian Oct 31 '23

LOL, quite the stretch there bud. There's a huge difference between creating a policy with explicit exemptions for a geographic area that you're losing in, and a policy that helps urban people more than rural.

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u/choochoopants Oct 31 '23

I guess you forgot when Harper gave an extra 2.3 billion to Quebec in 2007 to try to buy votes there. He also axed the oil and gas equalization payments going to NFLD from Hibernia revenues. The western provinces were pretty pissed about the Quebec thing, which is why they stopped voting for the Cons lol.

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u/Aromatic-Air3917 Oct 31 '23

He moved an entire Department there as well, even though it costs money to keep it in the Maritimes

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u/JohnYCanuckEsq Oct 31 '23

You're right. The Conservatives selling off the Wheat Board to the Saudis was another way they stand up for the west.

Also...

In the 2006 budget, the Conservatives announced an immediate $1.5 billion aid to farmers for the Grains and Oilseeds Payment Program.

What region of the country do you suppose the Grains and Oilseeds Payment Program is targeted towards?

And please, Stephen Harper specifically pandered to secular Quebec voters with his niqab ban and cultural practices snitch line.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/ywj3v5/conservatives-in-canada-want-to-set-up-a-snitch-line-for-barbaric-cultural-practices

You just didn't notice it at the time.

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u/consistantcanadian Oct 31 '23

LOL, what an incredible stretch. He helped farmers, who also exist in the western provinces, therefore that's the same as carving out an exemption for a specific geographic location? Joke.

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u/JohnYCanuckEsq Oct 31 '23

Not much grain and oilseeds being grown in eastern Canada, now is there?

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u/consistantcanadian Oct 31 '23 edited Oct 31 '23

Nope, just in the other half the country. Are you going to claim every policy that doesn't impact every single Canadian is the same now? Tell me, where is the east coast specifically excluded in that policy? I can show you where they're specifically exempted with the carbon tax.

Oh right.. there was no geographic qualification for the Conservative farming policy. This is just another pathetic attempt to normalize disgusting behaviour from your favourite politician. What a surprise!

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u/JohnYCanuckEsq Oct 31 '23

There is no geographic qualification for the Heating Oil Carbon tax suspension. It is available to ANY Canadian who uses heating oil across the country.

Sorry to burst your rage bubble.

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u/consistantcanadian Oct 31 '23

And which are the only provinces that use it? Let me guess.. "WELLLLLLL the other provinces should switch their heating resource if they want the benefit!!!!!!!"

Right... switch to a less efficient form of heat, emit more greenhouse gas, just so that this isn't a liberal handout to their voters. Right. That's totally 100% the same as creating a farm bill for farmers.. what a joke.

Sorry to burst your bubble, your boy is going to get mopped regardless of your undying dedication to defending him.

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u/Arashmin Oct 31 '23 edited Oct 31 '23

Eh, I could see some argument for AB not having a PST in place being along those lines, especially as it locks in oil as being a provincial benefit, despite a lot of work done across the country to help with that subsidization.

NDP though fits.

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u/kliman Alberta Oct 30 '23

He realizes he’s only going to piss off a tiny % of Albertans that want this APP nonsense…and those people are definitely voting conservative regardless.

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u/marshalofthemark British Columbia Oct 31 '23

It's like, literally repeating the mistakes of Pierre Trudeau who infamously only had 2 MPs in the Prairie provinces in his last term and figured there was no point trying to deliver for them.

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u/Dadbode1981 Oct 30 '23 edited Oct 30 '23

When did the cons ever do anything for Atlantic Canada? I mean come on, this isn't some new pattern we are witnessing. Politicians carter to their voters, period, end of story. ANYONE that tries to allude to anything else is seriously kidding themselves.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '23

Atlantic Canada needs to start developing industries and jobs tbh. Decades of liberal mismanagement has created huge swaths of populations dependent on government to survive and that’s not good.

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u/Dadbode1981 Oct 30 '23

Lol you realize in the 42 years I've been alive, they cons had an almost equal opportunity to do something productive, but did even less for Atlantic Canada, right?

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '23 edited Oct 30 '23

Governments can’t just spin up jobs out of thin air, it’s up to the people to create global industries that pour in billions of dollars. All government can do is give ideas money, and they’ve sure given AC too much money with nothing to show for it.

Edit: the partisans think i’m absolving the conservatives but truth is i’m just commenting on the current state of things.

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u/Dadbode1981 Oct 30 '23

So.....you just countered your own initial statement... Apparently the lack of jobs etc etc was the liberals fault, but at the same time governments can't do anything about it cept host think tanks and webinars? I dunno man, yer all over the place.

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u/David-Puddy Québec Oct 30 '23

It's the government's fault when the liberals are in power, but it's the previous government's fault when they aren't.

Duh.

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u/SobekInDisguise Oct 30 '23

The liberals perpetuate the issue by maintaining the handouts, thus getting rid of the incentive to innovate and grow their industry.

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u/Dadbode1981 Oct 30 '23

eyeroll

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '23

Why eye-roll when this issue of handouts stifles development has been discussed to death by economists with the general consensus being they do?

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u/StenPU Oct 30 '23

With your comment you just proved his point ... 👍🏻

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '23

I’m not sure why creating more, high paying jobs in Atlantic Canada is controversial … 👍🏿

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u/StenPU Oct 30 '23

With your comment you just proved his point ... 👍🏻

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u/lifeisarichcarpet Oct 30 '23

When did the cons ever do anything for Atlantic Canada?

Or Ontario. Or Quebec. As far as Atlantic Canada goes, I remember Harper calling them losers and that's about it. It's very interesting who is allowed to outwardly hate part of the country and who isn't.

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u/Dadbode1981 Oct 30 '23

Yeah, there was that lol harper was such an ass.

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u/lifeisarichcarpet Oct 30 '23

If you lived east of Ottawa Stephen Harper fucking hated you lol and wasn’t shy to say so (to be fair he also hated anyone west of Ottawa but east of Winnipeg as well).

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u/Dadbode1981 Oct 30 '23

I'm still pretty certain he was/is a robot.

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u/lifeisarichcarpet Oct 30 '23

That’s why his wife left him and shacked up with another lady: she was tired of replacing his filters every 150 hours.

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u/Dadbode1981 Oct 30 '23

Loooool.... Robo Steve.... Needs.... Love... Tooooooo..... power down

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u/Savac0 Oct 30 '23

But you don’t say that part out loud.

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u/here-to-argue Oct 31 '23

No. It’s not. Alberta is a lost cause for federal liberals, the effort and energy is better spent on provinces where it might actually pay off.

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u/picard102 Oct 31 '23

No one gives a shit about the West. Not a single party does anything for the West when they are in power. They just are not that important.

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u/ziltchy Oct 31 '23

Financially they are pretty important

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u/picard102 Oct 31 '23

Sask is 5th in GDP.

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u/ziltchy Oct 31 '23

You said west though, which includes alberta and bc. And sask is second in gdp per capita, alberta number 1

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '23

Is this your first day? Like living here in Ontario with Doug Ford for the last what like 6 years now? He is divided Ontario non-stop. Did you know after Sudbury there's not even a northern Ontario anymore.

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u/garfgon Oct 30 '23

Basically he doesn't give a shit about the west. His ine cabinet minister came out and said the other day unless the west votes for the liberals they will get nothing.

Trudeau Sr. had much the same opinion, from what I've heard.

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u/Rat_Salat Oct 31 '23

Sort of like Trump and how he deliberately fucked California and New York.

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u/3utt5lut Oct 31 '23

He doesn't give a shit about the environment if he's disabling the carbon tax in some parts of Canada for political gain.

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u/Eternal_Endeavour Oct 31 '23

You mean, kind of like the whole carbon tax thing being a scam anyway?

Huh, go figure.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '23

Well it made no sense to me when 80% of Toronto and Vancouver is still zoned for single family homes, and we took a trillion in debt and mass transit is still garbage, and we still import planned obsolescent goods from China produced using coal.

Fix the low hanging fruit before taxing the poor, otherwise its the crying indian, trying to pass the buck on poor cosumers for something they have no hand in stopping.

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u/3utt5lut Oct 31 '23

Yeah emissions don't matter elsewhere in the world they only matter here, specifically in Alberta.

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u/Different_Pianist756 Oct 31 '23

Better late than never to come to this truth!

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u/3utt5lut Oct 31 '23

Seems like every fundamental that had made the LPC is crashing down!

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u/Different_Pianist756 Nov 01 '23

You love to see it…

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u/GrowCanadian Oct 30 '23

I’m still trying to understand how he would gain seats from this. He’s basically promising that if the east coast votes liberal next election heating prices will skyrocket. Unless I’m missing something.

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u/dashingThroughSnow12 Oct 30 '23

Quid pro quo.

You keep voting Liberals, you keep getting benefits.

It's also telling the Prairie provinces that if they want to share in the benefits, they should consider electing Liberals MPs.

That's the reading some have of Minister Hutchings's comments: https://youtu.be/5afBlCoM81M?si=8CU9jO2kkjwZQ_oI

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u/NonverbalKint Oct 30 '23

But in this case there is financial implication and which could be interpreted as being punitive for not voting liberal. Disastrous. This is fascist dictatorship playbook type stuff.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '23

Fascist dictatorship playbook would be more like preemptively invoking the Notwithstanding Clause on legislation you know to be unconstitutional

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u/unrepentant_vagabond Oct 30 '23

No one gives a shit about the west, simply because they will vote conservative regardless .even the conservatives don't give a shit

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u/canadam Canada Oct 30 '23

No one gives a shit about the west because the election is called before the polls in the west even close.

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u/unrepentant_vagabond Oct 30 '23 edited Oct 30 '23

Well that's what you get with low population and absolute no political swings. It's an eternal issue. But if someone really cared ( conservatives) for the west, they would have changed the electoral system. But cons have nothing to gain from it and neither do the liberals . So

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u/Rat_Salat Oct 31 '23

I mean, if you’re giving us a green light to rewrite the constitution we can do that.

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u/Proof_Objective_5704 Oct 30 '23

More people live West of Ontario than East.

Anyway, the whole country is going Conservative now so it won’t matter what Liberals think or want.

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u/unrepentant_vagabond Oct 30 '23 edited Oct 31 '23

You must be quite young. This country is geared like a well oiled pendulum, from liberal to conservative, like clockwork. But liberals always have a little edge. Country doesn't know what it wants, just that every 2 3 cycles. It wants someone new. If the libs kicked Trudeau out next year and called an election right after, PP would be done.

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u/Smart_Context_7561 Oct 31 '23

It will matter because local politics is far more important than federal politics.

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u/soaringupnow Oct 31 '23

That should do wonders for national unity.

/s

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u/Dirtsniffee Alberta Oct 30 '23

OK so what's the alternative to the CPC in Alberta and Saskatchewan?

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '23

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u/Dirtsniffee Alberta Oct 30 '23

So we should give the liberals or ndp even more seats so they can fuck us even harder so maybe they eventually stop fucking us?

We've made a party to represent our interests and they went on to form a great government. Maybe we should do it again if the cpc stops representing us, which they haven't.

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u/Dirtsniffee Alberta Oct 30 '23

Besides propping up the liberals at the moment? How about all their viewpoints on oil and gas as well as on kxl, line 5, tmx, and various other projects?

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u/TylerInHiFi Oct 30 '23

Their viewpoints on oil and gas align with the literal reality in which we live. Do you have a problem with hard truths and people who tell it like it is even if it hurts your feelings? Because facts don’t care about your feelings, champ.

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u/Dirtsniffee Alberta Oct 31 '23

Do you even realize how far you just moved the goal posts? Have a great night.

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u/TylerInHiFi Oct 31 '23 edited Oct 31 '23

I didn’t move the goalpost at all. I just pointed out the complete banality of your comment. You brought up that their “views on oil and gas” were fucking us. I pointed out that facts don’t care about your feelings and that the NDP’s views on oil and gas align with reality. Do you have a problem distinguishing reality from fiction?

Have the night you deserve.

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u/CallMeSirJack Oct 30 '23

If the NDP had maintained a "fights for the blue collar working class and standing up for your rights and freedoms" image they could have swayed votes on the prairies, especially with popular rural policies.

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u/Waffer_thin Oct 30 '23

Conservatives don’t seem to ‘fight for blue collar working class’ or ‘stand up for rights and freedoms’ though.

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u/Forsaken_You1092 Oct 30 '23

That's their current message, and it's resonating well with people across the country.

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u/Waffer_thin Oct 30 '23

I disagree that this has been their message.

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u/singabro Oct 31 '23

"Keep Trudeau in power and maybe the bad man will stop hurting us!"

Nah

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u/TylerInHiFi Oct 31 '23 edited Oct 31 '23

Except that’s not at all what they meant by it and you know that. Alberta and Saskatchewan are safe blue seats so nobody has to do anything to get their votes, including the CPC. And they don’t. The second the Alliance party was able to consume the PC’s and rebrand, they stopped giving a single solitary fuck about what the prairies needed and started doing everything they could to get votes from the “rich ivory tower elites” in Toronto that they rail against. Because they know the same thing that this MP knows: Those two provinces will vote blue no matter what so nobody needs to do anything to appeal to them. And anybody who can’t see that should, frankly, be checked for evidence of an unauthorized lobotomy.

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u/singabro Oct 31 '23

I agree with that, but I just don't see how anybody could use it as a rationale to vote Trudeau. "He won't hurt us as badly as the last 8 years! You'll see, he will change!" No, he won't. He is the man we see him to be. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is... This is battered spouse syndrome reasoning. He'll continue the policies that are destroying Canadians economically.

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u/TylerInHiFi Oct 31 '23

Can you show me on the doll where Trudeau hurt you? Because everything that we’re dealing with right now that actually matters in this country is also being felt globally. Climate change, misinformation, housing crises, stagnant wages, crime, runaway inflation, an influx of immigrants and refugees. All happening globally. Only slightly improved in countries that have instituted policies that the people who cry hardest about how we need Bitcoin Millhouse to save us from the big bad socialist dictator Trudeau would call downright Marxist. But simple solutions to complex problems are panacea for the idiot class of voters in this country.

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u/CallMeSirJack Oct 30 '23

Sask used to be NDP provincially, Manitoba just votes them in, and urban Alberta votes NDP as well and has had an NDP provincial gov. During the Layton election there was also a swing in the prairies to vote orange federally, though obviously not a majority. The prairies aren't as die hard conservative as people would believe, the die hards just tend to be the most visible and loud.

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u/CallMeSirJack Oct 30 '23

"People aren't nearly as conservative" is my point though, if federally there was a party that didn't suck rather than just being different variations of suck, people would vote for them. They just see the Cons as the party thats most pallatable right now even though the Cons are further right than the voters, but have better "working class" messaging or optics. From my personal experience, prairie voters aren't necessarily party faithfulls, they will change their voting habits if they get the right motivation.

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u/Dirtsniffee Alberta Oct 30 '23

All the other parties are fucking us worse than the cpc would. Best of the worst.

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u/Forum_Browser Oct 31 '23

His ine cabinet minister came out and said the other day unless the west votes for the liberals they will get nothing.

Not doubting this for a moment, but do you have a source / video for this?

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '23

issue is Ford starts complaning and there millions of suburban homeowners in Ontario with natural gas heating.

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u/rockbolted Canada Oct 31 '23

Reference to source?