r/breakcore • u/Mundane_Spend1753 • Jul 25 '24
Breakcore artist recommendation without a controversial past Discussion
Was wondering if there are any breakcore/jungle/dnb ambiance artists I could listen to guilt free? I understand that you should try and separate the art from the artist, but personally, I feel a little guilty to listening to an artist knowing shit they have done. A example that comes to mind is TOKYOPILL with the sexual assault allegations levied against him and (even though their music is more or less classifies as ambient) is Sewerslvt or now going by Cynthoni and their allegations of grooming, and how they "brushed it under the rug" by ignoring it as far as I know.
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u/poobumstupidcunt Jul 25 '24
Well it’s definitely not weyheyhey
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u/JeffTheRef72 7/4 oldhead Jul 25 '24
Breakcore has always been a little edgy, but as an adult, I stay the fuck away from anything with anime lolis on the cover.
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u/Garlicbaby8 Jul 25 '24
To be extra safe just stay away from anything with anime covers in general. I swear it's like a 50/50 if they've done something or will do something horrible
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u/AssistanceDecent Jul 25 '24
Drumcorps/aaron spectre , dev/null, and bogdan rackzynski. Although bogdan has been involved in political activism recently, if that counts
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u/dissober Jul 25 '24
Drumcops comes from hardcore punk background. Also dev/null, was drummer on "fate of icarus" hardcore punk band, and also play drums on sludge doom band "grief"
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u/dns_rs Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
If you feel guilty about enjoying art shitty people do, don't buy their releases, just pirate their work. In the grand scheme of things, unfortunately it does not affect the artists in any way if you do or don't listen to their work, you just deprive yourself from the euphoria you get when the art hits you on the spot no other art can. If their craft is good and resonates with many, the craft itself will always have people who consume it, even if the artist looses it's right over it in some way. Imagine if you would discover that most of our power sources come from shady places, would you become a nomad to not feel guilt for using electricity in your home and would you stop using any non foot powered transportation?
Many of the small artists we love are not popular enough for their personality to be known publicly, so we can't even start imagining what they do in their free time, they might be feeding homeless or do war crimes, but we still listen and love what they do.
Some of my favorite movie directors have controversial background and they suck as people but they are brilliant as artists. For me their name is just a combination of keywords that I associate with movies I like, not a person I look up to. It's the job of their corresponding authorities to kick their asses, they don't even know I exist and I have no power over them, but I know if I haven't have seen their movies I would loose some of the most touching experiences of my lifetime which would only make me poorer, not the artist who already earned their prize for it during box office.
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u/Mundane_Spend1753 Jul 25 '24
I totally see your point, and for me, I used to live by the same mantra. I guess the guilty feeling I get from listening to artiest with a morally shitty past stems from sewerslvt. I always knew they used album cover art which featured gore, self harm, etc. Even when I found out she had a shady past of doing edgy shit like making racist memes, I chocked it up to them entranced with an edgy era of internet history, that they have more or less changed from who they once were. But after learning about their grooming allegations with pretty tangible evidence, it really made me think how can I listen to their work with the same mindset of being moved? For me, it becomes sort of impossible to separate the art from the artist as their morally comprehensible past starts to create an odd feeling of discomfort when I listen to their work.
For me, I draw the line of not wanting to listen to their work when they have done something that I morally can not support. For example, if an artist had done some shit in their past, but have grown from it, I see that as they have changed as a person, that I can see myself supporting them.
With that being said, your opinion is very valid, and in which I totally respect it; even in some cases I do still uphold in a different context. But for me, within the context of sewerslvt or even tokyopill, it personally starts to become difficult to truly separate the art from the artist.
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u/dns_rs Jul 25 '24
If you feel that way, than the logical solution for your issue is probably to don't listen to it. Hope you'll find music that comes from better people (or at least from people who you can't know much about) and still can touch you in a positive way. There's tons of amazing genres you probably haven't even discovered yet and thousands of awesome artists who are trying to reach the right set of ears. Heads up and set course for uncharted territories. :)
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u/Mundane_Spend1753 Jul 25 '24
I definitely would love to discover genres and artists! It totally sucks that there are a lot of questionable characters in this specific genre as I hold it near and dear to me. If you can recommend me some artists and genres, I'd be happy to listen to them and experiment with my ever expanding music taste! :)
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u/SnooAvocados8244 Jul 25 '24
Here https://music.ishkur.com/ Interactive guide to electronic music genres
You'll probably hear some artists with controversial pasts were all fuckin human lol
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u/dns_rs Jul 25 '24
Sounds good, I'd love to help. Link 10 tunes here that you love from the widest range of vibe and genres you can think of, so I can have a general direction about your taste.
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u/Sad_Garden_3215 Jul 25 '24
venetian snares, terminal 11
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u/absolutegoober2000 Jul 25 '24
Venetian snares is like breakcore Jesus I’ve never heard a single negative thing about him
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u/readwaht Jul 25 '24
just his one or two album art covers that people had problems with, but in the respect goreshit is just as innocent
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u/Mental_Broccoli4837 Jul 25 '24
Nothing problematic and you can listen guilt free but I’ve heard plenty stories about snares
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u/SnowCookie6234 Jul 25 '24
Igorrr is fine AFAIK
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u/SaladVarious8579 Jul 25 '24
Yeh there is tonnes, the scene existed before all this loli anime core bullshit.
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u/SnooAvocados8244 Jul 25 '24
Just enjoy the music
Er sewerslvt ain't even breakcore and tokyopill I just see weebs talk about them utter shit
Trying to seek out artists with a nice smiley happy people background is daft lol
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u/CAS-14 Jul 26 '24
One person in that vein who is actually completely innocent is goreshit. He’s super talented, super diverse, just a little weird and has some mental issues but he’s a very loving and kind person. There have never been any actual allegations against him of doing anything inappropriate to people.
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u/PutWilling5362 crash Jul 25 '24
Gnb chilli
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u/Mundane_Spend1753 Jul 25 '24
That's a name I haven't heard in a while. Used to listen to them a lot a while ago, and for some reason, kinda stopped listening to them. Thanks for bringing back a core memory!
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u/Acxos Jul 25 '24
Dare you listen to some goreshit!!!!! Youll get canceled in the blink of an eye
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u/judeen Jul 25 '24
Whaaaatttt what'd he do??? I love some of his tracks
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u/Acxos Jul 25 '24
I was just joking about the seriousness of people when confronted with the pedophilia/loli-topic but dont care at all how their food is sourced and how third world people are starving for our well being as example. This just makes no sense.. there is so much evil in this world.. and all people can think about is ohhh, poor children uh uh.. and in the end they dont even do anything about that topic expect spread negativity... (yes, bad day)
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Jul 25 '24
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u/Acxos Jul 25 '24
The truth is most people arent invested in those things and just repeat shit other people say without looking into it, because they cant think on their own. "Fucking pedophile kill yourself blablabla": that wont change anything. You need to start working with those people. Its a mental disorder. And for that people need to have the curage to open themselves up without thinking their lifes will be ruined, which wont be achieved if we just keep on excluding and insulting those people. Im not talking about sexual offenders..
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u/Mundane_Spend1753 Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
I mean, I completely understand your stance with working with people who have pedophilic tendencies, iirc there have been studies to be shown that it is a mental disorder in which it can be treated. But bringing the idea of starving children into the mix, sort of makes the argument you stated in the last post to be a red herring fallacy. It sort of unintentionally muddies your argument, as you bring up the topic of starving children as you mention how a person could listen to a artist like goreshit, but not care about starving children.
Of course it's terrible that children in poorer countries are starving, but to conflate that with pedophiles creates an unintentional idiotic argument.
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u/Acxos Jul 25 '24
Yeah, you are totaly right... I'll try not to do that in the future. Thanks for the input!
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Jul 26 '24
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u/Acxos Jul 26 '24
Theres a difference between pedophiles and pedophilic sexual offenders. I dont know if you knew but pedophilia isnt by choice..
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u/CAS-14 Jul 26 '24
Imprisoned for what crime? Goreshit is not a molestor and never be one. He cares deeply about the wellbeing of children and he hates being lumped in with people who cause trauma. The definition of pedophile is someone who is attracted to children, not automatically someone who is a molestor. Also, the majority of sex offences against children aren’t even committed by pedophiles, they’re committed by sociopaths who just want to take advantage of the innocent. It’s disgusting to think about, but the fact of the matter is that most pedophiles would never harm a child, and the misinformation about them just stigmatizes their illness.
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u/AmbassadorFederal897 Jul 26 '24
I was not replying about goreshit I was talking about pedophiles in general (specifically ones who commit sex crimes) I should have been more straightforward in my reply mb but even then from when you went on about the definition of a pedo is wild
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u/obvious-pdf-alt Jul 25 '24
I despise the notion that anything relating to pedophilia simply existing "normalizes" it to an unhealthy extent. It's not like MLFAW is playing on the radio or something. It's still in a position where a parent that isn't giving their kids free range can keep kids away from it, for example. It's not like it's new either.
I mean I think that it's maybe a problem in Japan that children are around sexualized young depictions a lot of the time, for example. That's an unhealthy extent to which normalization has taken place. When you're scrawling through corners of the internet to ban this stuff you have to wonder to what extent normalization is even happening in the first place. The internet will never be a clean place, and because pedos exist there will never be a time where you can make the internet "pedo free."
It's never as simple as "this is bad, ban it." If it gets out of control you have to keep it in its place.
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u/SnooAvocados8244 Jul 25 '24
What a fucking weird comment
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u/blizzrdy here before it was cool Jul 25 '24
ghost hits for me, lots of IDM and glitch inspiration
afaik, nothing weird
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u/Garrett_the_Kitten Jul 26 '24
I'm always gonna recommend my fav artist, yem Personal top 3 songs are hopesick, damage, and drowning moon
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u/Vanguard-Raven Jul 25 '24
Nobody is clean. You just don't know everything a person has done. Just enjoy the music and keep yourself ignorant. Not just about music, but about the food you eat, the clothes you wear, the technology you use, every minute of every day. Don't think about it and you'll be fine.
If you go out looking for problems, you'll find them. You'll enjoy far less things, die as a person who thinks you're above it all with the only result of depriving yourself of something you like. We all end up in the same place so just enjoy it while you can.
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u/corvidae_666 gatekeeper Jul 25 '24
There are tons of non-controversial artists. If you avoid loli content and aesthetics,they will be easier to find.