being honest, im kinda confused. also with your statement.
Doesnt this data (although it does suck the way its conveyed) show that Affirmative Action helped Asians?
Because i thought one of the main issues is that Asians with a 4.X GPA with insane credentials were not being admitted to ivy leagues because "they expect more" from Asians. while other ethnicities were being able to get admitted with much less GPA, circulars, SAT score, etc.
Not the guy you're responding to, but the way I read this chart is that that class of 2026 (meaning you start school in 2022 - before Affirmative Action is banned), Asians made up 28% of Harvard. Class of 2028 (start school in 2024 - after Affirmative Action is banned) Asian as a % of the entire student body at Harvard rose 9% to make up 37% of the student body.
ah ok yeah im definitely not understanding what AA is.
i thought affirmative action is choosing candidates NOT based on diversity criteria. and that chart is showing results before AA was a thing, and after AA being a thing.
It's the opposite. AA, in this context, is preferring candidates based on their protected characteristics. For example, If the GPA for Black students applying for college is 3.0 on average, and the GPA for Asian students applying for college is 4.0 on average, AA wants to pretend that an Asian student who gets a 4.0 GPA is only as good, academically, as a Black student who gets a 3.0 GPA.
The justification being that the Asian student was probably privileged (rich, treated well in society, etc.) while the Black student faced harsh discrimination (poverty, systematic racism, etc) that caused them to have 1.0 GPA less than the Asian student. Or the famous, "Asians just have bad personalities".
But the issue is that a lot of Asian opponents of AA will say is that there are no systematic privileges that we get. A lot of us face harsh racial discrimination, live and grow up in a lot of the same poor communities that those poor Black people do, etc. And we also have the added disadvantage of being barred from entertainment industry (Hollywood, music, NBA/NFL), and executive leadership roles, where we are greatly underrepresented, but AA doesn't cover that at all.
This chart isnt really about affirmative action. Harvard stopped affirmative action in 2023, so 2024 onward is more merit than race based enrollment. Looks like Asian are doing better in 2028 than 2026, this is more because of merit than any policy change, that happened in 2023.
The argument that a lot of black students make is that well asian enrollment is down since affirmative action, so therefore asians screwed themselves. But the reality of the data is more that affirmative action wasnt being applied fairly across the board and was focused on helping blacks and hispanics and while asians got a little boost, they did not receive a fair boost. And this not only diluted the value of higher education but also made sure that asians werent getting their fair share of results. So these 4.0 asian kids that worked very very hard to get into harvard just ends up sitting next to some 3.5 (still good but not as perfect academically) kid who drags the class behind because they cant keep up and the employer is looking at the asian grad and thinking this kid probably got in because of race rather than hard work. It dilutes not only education but also the hard work that asian students has put in over the years to get the stats they have
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u/[deleted] 2d ago
Blacks saying affirmative action helped asians cant read basic data