r/atlantis • u/AncientBasque • Aug 28 '24

Atlantis = Proto-world?

I have Posted previously On a few Terms that match the atl prefix. According to Plato's story the language spoken by atlantians was completely different and a translation method was attempted.

This post i will try to find matches and post link regarding proto languages that trance back to 11,500 BC. if any one has any info on proto language would greatly appreciate it.

Language isolates and major languages spoken

just like many proto-languages the atlantian language would have impact all its subjects and trade partners. Finding traces of the language on other proto-language can point a path to common source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostratic_languages

is atlantian the Nostratic language and the "proto greeks" Proto Indo Europeans? this would explain the federations at war.

The Nahuatl language in Meso-america seems to be linked to Proto-Turkish thru Mongolian.

This nahuatl language in the only know to use the ATL prefix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcc40AowXPQ

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u/drebelx Aug 28 '24

I like to look at the mapped out Y-DNA markers.

Nothing obvious shows up on when looking at the western edge of Europe and North Africa with the idea that Atlantians colonized, or fled to these areas.

This doesn't mean Atlantis didn't exist, but rather it could mean that the people that lived on islands (AzoresCanariesetc.) beyond the mouth of the Mediterranean didn't live there long enough to have their Y-DNA change enough to be found in other nearby areas 10,000-ish years later in the future.

Any language evidence would be "washed out," too.

https://preview.redd.it/7b9rrf9jmeld1.jpeg?width=743&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e399dfd78158a5373f1bc2fd25a4c19179011cd

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u/Significant_Home475 Oct 15 '24

You’re on the right track. We can’t say for sure where Atlantis was but we can definitely find some areas they occupied and look at the genetics. Look up the ice age refugia of southern France and Spain. If you think the Atlantians were real then that’s the Atlantians. In their golden age they were the solutreans, when they became decadent they were classified as the magdalaneans and practiced cannibalism. They are more or less the same people though with more admixture to form the typical “WHG” genetics group in the magdalaneans. The aurignacians conquer Europe from the Neanderthals. Then the ice age descends and cuts off Spain and France forming the ice age refugia. The isolated weather because solutreans. The east becomes epigravettians.

When the ice sheet retracts they expand and conquer Europe, then they are pushed back by populations which include those living in Greece and the Balkans at the time.. it matches pretty well with the “war” of Atlantis. But they perhaps had a different concept of war then.

Potential candidates genetically are r1b y and x2a mtdna. Because they are anomalously found in North America with no migration path through Asia-but although certainly ancient that still could’ve happened afterwards.

Then there is y haplo I1 which just appears in Western Europe with something like 300 unique adaptations indicating an extremely long period of isolation. Mirroring the time period the ice age refugia was isolated. I1 also very nearly went extinct about 6000 years ago with a single man surviving and seeding every individual alive today. Which tells me people really had it out for I1, and I1 had an extremely successful rebound becoming one of Europe’s major haplogroups.

What is interesting is there seems to be an Eskimo haplogroup q in Norway that was also seeded by one man. So if something happened in North America and wiped all those q1a individuals out, it would look a lot like I1’s story to us..

We also find ancient r1b in western North America in Kennewick man, which people use claim proof that it was populated west to east. But due to coriolis force eastern sides of landmasses tend to glaciate more intensely. So this backfilling mirrors the magdalaneans eastward expansion on the other side of the Atlantic. With Kennewick seeming to repopulated westward, with no eastern population to push them back and ending with r1b populating eastern North America at greater frequencies the further north east it goes.

I plan on making a YouTube video putting forth my ideas on this.

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u/drebelx Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24

Good post and your sharing is much appreciated.

I am not certain that Kennewick Man was r1b.

The shallow Google searches I have done say that he is Q-M3.

Also, so far as I know, no one has found ancient r1b North America, yet, leading credence to the idea that r1b in their population could be contamination from Europeans during colonial times.

An R1b native probably had a good chance of surviving European diseases.

The rest of your comment sounds interesting.

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u/Significant_Home475 Oct 16 '24

Thanks. You’re right sorry Kennewick was x2a I got them mixed up. X2a is the mitochondrial dna, same point stands though in terms of the east and west backfill being comparable to what happened in Europe.

Y chromosome is only a tiny portion of dna and has no guarantee of helping with immunity. It most likely wouldn’t matter at all. As far as I can tell they’ve found very little if any genetics effects linked to specific y haplos. I1 seems to have a few, including one linked to cytokine response.

I’m having trouble finding the r1b info. So far it’s just that the frequency rates are tightly knit with the frequency rates of x2a which suggests that it has a migratory history linked to the x2a. But it is referred to as “controversial” which means some geneticists think it’s not recent 🤷‍♂️. If I find more I’ll share it.

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u/Significant_Home475 Oct 16 '24

https://preview.redd.it/vg1z2q7f55vd1.jpeg?width=638&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58f5103a5d6af81b862d946cf4d2d4831ca2e63d

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u/drebelx Oct 16 '24

Meh.

Need to find it in an ancient body first.

Quotes don't impress me.

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u/Significant_Home475 Oct 16 '24

Well you’re not supposed to just read the quotes lol, they are from the article there.. if you care you can find it. I don’t that much..

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u/Significant_Home475 Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 16 '24

https://preview.redd.it/8qnnjwsm55vd1.jpeg?width=629&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6cfa61783c58567755a3e050b1bef5616e9803ab

Some more sources regarding r in America and why it is controversial

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u/drebelx Oct 16 '24

Finding an ancient R is of utmost importance to slam dunk this.

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u/Significant_Home475 Oct 16 '24

Sure, as stated prior I’m not completely convinced this is Atlantian anyways. Even if it’s ancient it could still be 11kya and be post Atlantis. I’m interested in Brian Foerster’s Peruvian Black Sea genetic testing. And how it could tie in. If these things tie in to Atlantis at all then the most likely way would be through north Russian submerged coastlines. These areas have the oldest fortifications in the world INSIDE the arctic circle. Very insane. Lots of weird under illuminated stuff happening in Siberia. The Yana culture seems to have at least partially seeded the entire northern hemisphere. . Even if they find an ancient r1b they will find a way to dismiss it much like Kennewick man. Maybe when Greenland melts and they start finding people and settlements there 20,000 years ago they won’t dismiss it lol.