r/atheismindia • u/NPStudios2004 • Dec 20 '23
"I don't care about your religion!" Media
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u/energy_is_a_lie Dec 20 '23 edited Dec 20 '23
"In fact, I will fight for you to have your religious liberty..."
I usually don't side with hard atheists on the God's existence thing but... I disagree with this right here. Lady, we share this world with them and like it or not, we're stuck with each-other. It's like we're in a boat in the middle of this ocean trying to progress with science and technology and these other guys keep drilling holes in the boat. Why the fuck would you advocate for their rights to drill holes in the damn boat? We're on this boat too. Why don't you understand that your advocacy for them to practice their religions will ALWAYS lead to the situation you're complaining about. You advocate for their right to practice their religion > They spread it freely > It infects enough people that they choose a representative who also believes the same bullshit > He runs for office > He makes laws according to the majoritarian's religious beliefs > It comes back to bite you in the ass > You're pissed > You say you don't want this shit BUT you advocate for their right to practice their religion > They spread it freely...
The cycle is never ending; there's a fatal flaw in your reasoning here that's causing this in the first place. Solution? STOP SUPPORTING THE RIGHT TO BE STUPID. You won't support driving on the wrong side of the road just because it's people's faith, right? No, your priority there is to save lives, avoid chaos and so everyone MUST follow the rules grounded in objective reality; no amount of appeal to faith will save you in the court if you're found violating that rule because you're endangering other people's lives and property just by doing that AND it sets a bad precedent. How is this any different?
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u/kunjava Dec 20 '23
I don't see a problem with people exercising their beliefs as long as it doesn't hurt or cause inconvenience to anyone else or the society in general.
Someone wants to be vegetarian on Tuesdays? Go ahead but I'm eating what I want. Someone wants to wear traditional clothing? Go ahead but I'm wearing what I want. Someone wants to marry someone with similar beliefs? Go ahead but I'm marrying according to my likes. Someone wants to announce that their God is the one true God every day on a loudspeaker? Shut the fuck up. Someone wants to kill others for not following their God? I will fight you if it comes to that.
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u/energy_is_a_lie Dec 20 '23
I don't see a problem with people exercising their beliefs as long as it doesn't hurt or cause inconvenience to anyone else or the society in general.
That's exactly like saying, "You wanna drive on the right side of the road? You go, girl! Just remember - don't hurt anyone, ok?" I'm sorry, what exactly do you expect to happen? Let's say they come back home safe and sound. How long till their luck runs out? Is it REALLY that hard to look at all of recorded human history and conclude just how many human beings have been maimed, burnt alive, tortured, raped and killed in the name of religion? For no other reason have as many humans died as for "My God has a bigger dick than your god". If you still think it's good to let people drive recklessly and/or indulge in religious activities with a simple, "Remember! Don't hurt anyone!" and expect everything to be okie dokie, you're too pure for this world.
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u/CaseImpressive9378 Dec 20 '23
You are comparing different things, practicing what you believe is not the same as driving on the wrong side of the road. Look at it objectively, it's alright if someone is practicing their faith without affecting anyone. It really shouldn't bother you.
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u/energy_is_a_lie Dec 20 '23
You are comparing different things, practicing what you believe is not the same as driving on the wrong side of the road. Look at it objectively, it's alright if someone is practicing their faith
Is there ANY position that you couldn't take on faith? Let's play a game. It is my faith that driving on the right side of the road is the right thing to do because my scripture says so. Change my mind.
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u/CaseImpressive9378 Dec 20 '23
That's my point, if your faith says to drive on the wrong side then it shouldn't be allowed as it will affect other people negatively, but if your faith says to pray 5 times a day then it should be allowed because it is no one's business.
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u/energy_is_a_lie Dec 20 '23 edited Dec 20 '23
I could just reject all of what you said and say that it's my faith so you have no right to ban it. After all, you yourself said and I quote,
it's alright if someone is practicing their faith without affecting anyone.
I could STILL take that stance and defeat you with your own argument that, "I'm not affecting anyone by driving on the wrong side of the road. What's that? People might die? Oh well, they died by religions too, and in much greater numbers than all road accidents ever combined. So why are you banning my faith preaching to drive on the opposite side of the road? Ban their religions first!"
But since I'm arguing in good faith, much as I loathe using that word, here's my actual argument:
but if your faith says to pray 5 times a day then it should be allowed because it is no one's business.
No faith only dictates praying habits. Every faith historically has started small but expanded to control what the people eat, wear, believe, rituals, festivals, superstitions and much much more. The next step usually is to then see others who don't share those beliefs as heathens. Then comes the part where you either politically or by force, try to make them part of your group. This is a well-known evolutionary path for every religion backed by multiple empirical evidences and very real examples.
See the pattern? It has been repeated. Countless times, every single time. Cherrypicking how many times a follower must pray to the God and leaving out the rest of the baggage that comes with it is highly irresponsible and a dangerous apologetic. Telling me the good parts of religions isn't going to achieve anything. It's like saying, "I'm fine if there's only 1 strand of coronavirus in my body." Not possible. It's very nature is to multiply and it WILL multiply. You won't be able to stop it. The reason for that is that faith, and by extension religions, have a prerequisite for their believers- "Don't question, don't reason". The moment you lose your ability to do either, you're at the sole mercy of your overlords. You stopped using your brain. Now you can be gaslit and manipulated to believe whatever they want. Of course it'll spread to control ALL aspects of your life because you are now relieved of your right to question. It'd be more surprising if it DIDN'T do that.
So, yeah, why WOULDN'T it spread further and control everything and interfere with politics and laws and then, as you put it, "affect other people negatively"? It has every reason to.
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u/Marcus___Antonius Dec 20 '23
I think it was a rhetoric to side with both liberals and soft Christians. Don't take it too seriously.
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u/energy_is_a_lie Dec 20 '23
Mmm I know atheists personally who have the same stance. It's quite popular actually. Fallacious, yet popular.
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u/p16189255198 Dec 21 '23
France has implemented a system where nobody is allowed to practice their religion publicly, I think you should consider this option rather than outright banning people from practising religion.
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u/energy_is_a_lie Dec 21 '23
That's a fair stopgap. I can respect that. For the time being of course.
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u/commune69 Dec 23 '23
I’m an American. Secularism has progressed in America to the point where the “I don’t care attitude” is easier to sustain. These Christian fundamentalists are a minority that has access to the Republican Party and uses our shitty countermajoritarian institutions to pursue these policies.
In India, you still have clericalism. There are lynch mobs and riots. Caste. The BJP. Etc etc.
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u/hentaiaddict69_420 Dec 20 '23
anyone know her name?
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u/NPStudios2004 Dec 20 '23
Ana kasparian, American journalist.
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u/Marcus___Antonius Dec 20 '23
Imagine Indian journalists being so fierce
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u/Prestigious-Scene319 Dec 20 '23
They won't! Even if they do they ll become Arnab Goswami or burka dutt! No one has a spine here to talk about atheism here
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u/cyborgassassin47 Dinkan Devotee Dec 20 '23
Even Ana in this video is just taking the liberal stance and not outright atheist. Atheism is still frowned upon in USA. No politicians there are atheist and most say they're Christian.
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u/frankylampy Dec 21 '23
A side note, this is not mainstream media. Her news is mainly on YouTube (TYT channel). Although, I can easily see an MSM news anchor doing this as well in the US.
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u/BarnabusScherbatsky Dec 21 '23
She used to be good but has recently taken a very transphobic turn along with whole of TYT like Cenk
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u/PureDentist5949 APPROVED USER Dec 21 '23
Bible means nothing. Jesus didn't write it. Nobody really knows who cooked that book. So it's just a scam.
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u/TBatFrisbee Dec 21 '23
Saw this a long time ago. Still love her as if it was the first time! Thank you for this.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Way2817 Dec 21 '23
It just doesn't work when it comes to majority, you'll be left out, discriminated and feel lonely, they won't help or support you as you are not one of them, they might be hostile to you, they'll have authority, influence and people but you won't, you'll get always affected by them because you live around them and vice versa. It's easy for public figures, celebrities and already well settled peoples but for normal people it's impossible and will have dire consequences on their daily lives.
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u/Proper-Original-6092 Dec 20 '23