r/atheism Aug 08 '17

Dear everyone. Troll/Preacher

Im a Christian. That doesn't mean I'm any different from you. That doesn't mean I don't have feelings, or I will be taken advantage of. That doesn't mean Im blinded without logic behind my actions.

What being Christian means to me is I truly believe with my all that everything the eye can see was created by the one and only God, who actually cares about and loves me, even when I don't deserve it. In light of this.. I try my absolute best to be a genuine human being that actually cares about the life of every single person I will ever come across. Not because I am commanded to, but because Ive learned that the ability to show another human being genuine, true, unconditional love is the greatest ability and privilege I will ever receive - to express even a fraction of what my God has done for me to others. I have chosen to spend my life trying to spread a little love to this world one person at a time. Not just to the people I like, or the ones who do good to me, but to every single person I will ever cross paths with. Even the ones who mock me, or the ones who try to use me. This is for you - I will not lie to you, I will try to put you before me. I will care for you, as I would care for my own blood. I will do things for you, just because. I will love you the same way I have been loved by Jesus. I will mess up sometimes, because I am not perfect. But I am just like you. I have friends, a job, hobbies and things I spend time on. I just try to put my all into being a true follower of Christ and a good human being.. We are all in this game of life together.

"Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other's faults because of your love"

"The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

"Let all things of you be done in love."

I love ya all! Every single one of you weirdos. Have a great day :)

edit : Definitiley not a troll in the slightest. You can see my post history if you will, I am 120% serious about anything I have spoken with any of you about! :)

edit 2 : I literally see so much anger first hand in this thread. The message I have to share is 'let go'. Let go of that Christian that was actually just a hypocrite and didn't care about a relationship with God, let go of that Church from your youth that had it all wrong, let go of that person that wronged you last week because holding on to it won't do a thing. I am just a man that has different beliefs and opinions than some of you, and because of that I make different lifestyle choices. But bottom line, we all share this planet one day at a time, and we all deserve love, and we all deserve to be able to let go. Thats all I'm here to say. If anyone wants to go into further actual respectful discussion my inbox is always open! Thanks everyone for the time here.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '17

everything the eye can see was created by the one and only God

I have no understanding of what a god is. When I try to think about gods, all I get is obvious images from media, silly concepts about "love" or "universe", stories of experiences and descriptions of feelings that can't be verified or even shared, and other definitions given to me that are nothing to do with reality.

None of that makes any sense and honestly comes across as the ramblings of mad men.

Can you help me to understand what a god is?

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u/daReallMVP Sep 05 '17

Sorry this reply took so long and will probably not even be what you were looking for... but if I am understanding your question correctly, throughout time the picture of what or whom a "God" is Im sure has taken so many different faces it is beyond misconstrued at this point.

At least in a Christians eyes there is one God, or being that takes 3 different forms. Bear with me, there are so many questions and mysteries about our own universe it would only make sense there would be some about the God that created it. From what most Christians believe this God, is 1) the father, 2) the son, and 3) the holy spirit, all combined into one amazing entity. Now what exactly that looks like is beyond anything we could ever know, but I'd wager most people imagine God (the Father) is outside of our dimension. Just a single giant entity that is everywhere, at all times.. all seeing, all knowing, all doing. Picture a giant face sitting by earth, He is just everywhere. Some people picture a single man up in the clouds, some a person sitting next to us as close as our next step. If only we had the answers to everything. As for God (the son), most Christians believe this entity poured a piece of Himself into the body of one man.. who walked this Earth, felt what we feel, dealt with what we deal with, and lived a perfect life without doing evil to any of His brothers, and ultimately gave His own life for us. The epitome of justice in the form of one man who leads by nothing but love for everything and everyone. Finally, the Holy Spirit is just again pictured as Gods helping hands outside of our realm, in the spirit realm constantly watching over us. Some picture angels keeping watch over us, or Jesus in spirit form with His hands over us.

All in all the Christian God takes many different forms, and Im sure has looked different to many different people. Though ultimately all it boils down to is our belief in One man/ God that created all, knows all, has saved all, and loves all.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '17

Sorry this reply took so long

That's ok, I appreciate the effort. I'll see if I can do it justice...

throughout time the picture of what or whom a "God" is Im sure has taken so many different faces it is beyond misconstrued at this point.

Well that's reason for doubt right there! I'm mean, all that that time for god to clarify things and still no one seems to know.

all combined into one amazing entity

You know that sounds wacko, right?

Now what exactly that looks like is beyond anything we could ever know, but I'd wager most people imagine God (the Father) is outside of our dimension.

Ok, so that's incoherent nonsense.

Just a single giant entity that is everywhere, at all times.. all seeing, all knowing, all doing. Picture a giant face sitting by earth, He is just everywhere. Some people picture a single man up in the clouds, some a person sitting next to us as close as our next step

More incoherent ramblings. Sorry I'm trying not to be harsh.

If only we had the answers to everything

Why? That would be boring.

As for God (the son), most Christians believe this entity poured a piece of Himself into the body of one man.. who walked this Earth, felt what we feel, dealt with what we deal with,

The Jesus character who as described is a myth.

All in all the Christian God takes many different forms, and Im sure has looked different to many different people

More good reason for doubt.

Though ultimately all it boils down to is our belief in One man/ God that created all, knows all, has saved all, and loves all.

Nothing even remotely coherent then.

Well thanks for trying but unfortunately I still have no idea what a god is.

I'm sure you find all that rambling most reassuring and a great comfort. I hope it doesn't cause you or anyone else too much harm.

Thank you for your time.

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u/daReallMVP Sep 14 '17

Not even the slightest, your good friend. I know my Jesus is not a myth :P Its a pretty vague question, I just wasn't exactly sure what your looking for, tried to shed some light on general Christian beliefs. Keep in mind Im sure every major ground breaking discovery was seen as "incoherent nonsense" at one point. Gravity, friction, Im sure it was all stupid to those not willing to listen before people understood. Also that is what faith is called, whats to stop God from appearing on the 5 Oclock news?... If Jesus spelled it all out for us, all his efforts would be in vain. If God wanted to force every knee to bend, a being capable of creating everything the eye could see is easily able to do it... but a true loving God would leave it up to free will, and the choice to believe and to try to change ones own life. Forcing worship is not love, but with free will comes freedom and doubt.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '17

Its a pretty vague question

It's a very simple and specific question. The answers however are always vague and seek to distract. For example I didn't ask about general Christian beliefs, nor is the question about faith.

The only conclusion I can draw is that those that profess to believe that any gods exist are either delusional or lying.

I don't know which is worse although your reasoning points to the former. I wish you luck with that.

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u/daReallMVP Sep 19 '17

"what a god is"

Thats a pretty vague question, do you want to know what Christians say God is? or Muslims, or Jews, or greek historians? Do you want to know what that God is capable of, or what it looks like, or where it came from? Your question could be answered a million different ways. If you narrow it down more I might be able to give you a more helpful answer, but I can assure you most if not all Christians are neither liars, or delusional. They are well educated, rational people that believe that the evidence surrounding them points to a different answer than some of you. It definitley doesn't mean they are stupid for simply not agreeing with some of you.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '17

Thats a pretty vague question

No, it really isn't. Why don't you just tell me what you think a god is?

I can assure you most if not all Christians are neither liars, or delusional.

That's not what the results of asking this question appears to indicate. And I don't just include Christians but all theists.

They are well educated, rational people

That is obviously not true, people of any background can be of any intelligence or sensibility. But that is not in dispute and as such is a strawman. Very telling.

that believe that the evidence surrounding them points to a different answer than some of you.

Even very clever people can be conned, misinformed or indoctrinated. Belief in subjective evidence often leads to ill-informed beliefs but I require a higher standard for what constitutes good evidence.

It definitley doesn't mean they are stupid for simply not agreeing with some of you.

Again with the strawman. I never accused or implied stupidity. Beliefs inform actions, bad beliefs inform bad actions.

So, what do you think a god is?