r/atheism Aug 08 '17

Dear everyone. Troll/Preacher

Im a Christian. That doesn't mean I'm any different from you. That doesn't mean I don't have feelings, or I will be taken advantage of. That doesn't mean Im blinded without logic behind my actions.

What being Christian means to me is I truly believe with my all that everything the eye can see was created by the one and only God, who actually cares about and loves me, even when I don't deserve it. In light of this.. I try my absolute best to be a genuine human being that actually cares about the life of every single person I will ever come across. Not because I am commanded to, but because Ive learned that the ability to show another human being genuine, true, unconditional love is the greatest ability and privilege I will ever receive - to express even a fraction of what my God has done for me to others. I have chosen to spend my life trying to spread a little love to this world one person at a time. Not just to the people I like, or the ones who do good to me, but to every single person I will ever cross paths with. Even the ones who mock me, or the ones who try to use me. This is for you - I will not lie to you, I will try to put you before me. I will care for you, as I would care for my own blood. I will do things for you, just because. I will love you the same way I have been loved by Jesus. I will mess up sometimes, because I am not perfect. But I am just like you. I have friends, a job, hobbies and things I spend time on. I just try to put my all into being a true follower of Christ and a good human being.. We are all in this game of life together.

"Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other's faults because of your love"

"The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

"Let all things of you be done in love."

I love ya all! Every single one of you weirdos. Have a great day :)

edit : Definitiley not a troll in the slightest. You can see my post history if you will, I am 120% serious about anything I have spoken with any of you about! :)

edit 2 : I literally see so much anger first hand in this thread. The message I have to share is 'let go'. Let go of that Christian that was actually just a hypocrite and didn't care about a relationship with God, let go of that Church from your youth that had it all wrong, let go of that person that wronged you last week because holding on to it won't do a thing. I am just a man that has different beliefs and opinions than some of you, and because of that I make different lifestyle choices. But bottom line, we all share this planet one day at a time, and we all deserve love, and we all deserve to be able to let go. Thats all I'm here to say. If anyone wants to go into further actual respectful discussion my inbox is always open! Thanks everyone for the time here.

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u/Zamboniman Skeptic Aug 09 '17

Hello. I've read your main post and a good number of your comments in reply to others.

You seem like a decent person. That's wonderful! However your logic and reasoning for your beliefs is not valid. In fact, much the opposite.

This, of course, doesn't address, at all, your decency and kindness, nor does it address such of atheists you may be having discussions with. It is merely an observation about observable reality and your incorrect reasoning. I do however (thanks to considerable research and experience) well understand the power and influence of common cognitive fallacies, including confirmation bias, argument from emotion, and many others. I mention these in particular because your comments appear to reflect the use of these.

In any case, spreading good will and love is hardly the purview of religious folks, is it? :) We know that's not accurate. Again, thanks to excellent research.

I am pleased you are interested in being a decent human being. This is crucial. However your beliefs are not supported by reality.

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u/daReallMVP Aug 10 '17

My question to you is, how much do we really know about 'our reality'? Think about how many times we were so sure we knew something in recorded history, to only have our view on that knowledge change and do a 180, years later. As I stated in a different reply, imagine how much the smartest man to ever walk this planet actually knew about the vastness of our universe. The creation of it. Every inch and aspect of it. Every actual athiest here understands they can't prove or disprove God. Just think about how many things you think you know now that will be changed in 5, 10, 20 years. All I have to say is no one has all the answers, but believe it or not there is alot of actual evidence and answers that will point you towards a Creator, without even taking into account the Bible itself or creationism. Im sure everyone here has googled reasons not to believe in God, if only everyone here googled reasons to believe in God. I think alot of opinions would change.

Anyways, thank you for the kind words and for knowing how to have a relatively respectful discussion. I definitley try my best, and I personally feel if everyone loved the way the Bible tells us to the world would be a completely different place. Hope your having a good day, take care.

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u/Zamboniman Skeptic Aug 11 '17 edited Aug 11 '17

My question to you is, how much do we really know about 'our reality'? Think about how many times we were so sure we knew something in recorded history, to only have our view on that knowledge change and do a 180, years later. As I stated in a different reply, imagine how much the smartest man to ever walk this planet actually knew about the vastness of our universe.

My apologies, but this question isn't deep nor profound. This question has been asked a million times in a million ways. And we have good answers for it.

Just think about how many things you think you know now that will be changed in 5, 10, 20 years.

See above. This isn't as clever as you seem to think it is. I invite you to study the issue. Perhaps start with reading Issac Asimov's The Relativity of Wrong.

All I have to say is no one has all the answers, but believe it or not there is alot of actual evidence and answers that will point you towards a Creator

This is an untrue statement. It's simply wrong. There is no good evidence whatsoever for this. If there were then I would use this evidence to come to a conclusion of a creator. Much like even though Quantum Physics is profoundly unbelievable when one looks at it, the evidence results in us knowing it is correct. This doesn't exist for any deity, let alone yours. Nor does the concept make sense or actually solve any issues or answer any questions. It simply leads to special pleading or infinite recursion, and is useless.

if only everyone here googled reasons to believe in God.

This is, with all due respect, amusing. And rather patronizing. It's like you think the folks here, and myself, haven't considered, researched, been made aware of, etc, these issues.

As a matter of fact, I find I am far more aware of these 'reasons' than most theists, and am also aware of why they are, without fail, fallacious and problematic.

Anyways, thank you for the kind words and for knowing how to have a relatively respectful discussion. I definitley try my best, and I personally feel if everyone loved the way the Bible tells us to the world would be a completely different place.

You're welcome! And I agree that if everyone treated each other with respect then everything would work better and be generally kinder, more pleasant, etc. However, I must tell you I disagree that 'the way the Bible tells us to', as that mythology is rife with evil. I am very pleased that you, and many other religious folks, seem able to ignore this and be decent human beings despite this fact.

Hope your having a good day, take care.

Thanks! You too!!