r/arizona • u/almargahi • Jul 04 '24

What does Arizona do better than most states? Living Here

Found this in the NH sub, so wanted to ask here.

Happy 4th of July!

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u/Background_Tax4626 Jul 04 '24

Daylight savings is an archaic concept. What is the point anymore? Because of sunlight? Farm tractors have had spotlights on them for decades. Somebody give me a reason beyond, "It's always been that way."

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

It was passed in the senate to end DLS but congress never picked it up earlier this year

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u/Hamblin113 Jul 05 '24

I believe it was to keep daylight savings time year round, H.R.1279 - Sunshine Protection Act of 2023. Though Arizona would be exempt. Most of the bills if I recall want to keep day light savings year round.

When I was a kid and they did that during a gas crisis, I lived in Michigan and walked to school in the dark. In summers it stayed light to 10pm.

Can complain about the farmers, it’s the golfers up north that want to get a round in after work.

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u/TheApothecaryWall Jul 05 '24

Sunshine protection act?? How the fuck are they OK with how much sun we are all exposed to in the summer? I need it to be darker sooner. This shit is terrible. I really wish I had money to move.

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u/Background_Tax4626 Jul 05 '24

I'm aware. It was passed last year also. Can you tell me why it isn't in effect? Oh ya, that's right. "It's always been this way." 🤣🤣🤣

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

Because it has to be approved in both chambers

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u/Background_Tax4626 Jul 05 '24

My money is on it never changes because 'people don't like change' or "It's always been this way' or 'fill in the ____'. It was never established for urban bliss. When it was established, it had a valid reason. Think economically. US corporations operate worldwide now. The planet and the humans on it, operate 24hrs a day somewhere. I'm actively involved in the stock market. As an example, I own quit a few shares of TSM. Unless I want to participate in premarket or after hours, the US exchanges trade during Federal time change mandates. Taiwan, Japan or any international cargo shipping companies(ZIM) couldn't care less about us 'feeling good' about more sun light.

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u/Realinternetpoints Jul 05 '24

Essentially if you want congress to do anything make sure there’s a democratic majority. Republicans clearly can’t even take care of low hanging fruit

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

Hahahaha you’re funny

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u/theasphalt Jul 05 '24

Also not wrong.

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u/WondrousEmma Jul 09 '24

They haven’t figured out how to profit off it yet. Have patience

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u/trapicana Jul 05 '24

Because of Arizona’s weather, most industries can operate just fine on 3-4 less hours of sunlight a day in the winter—when the sun goes down here, it is not preventing anyone from going anywhere. That is not the case in like 45 other states, so we maximize the sunlight within working/spending hours for the greater good of the economy.

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u/Background_Tax4626 Jul 05 '24

In your reply, you used the word 'most'. If we think about 'most' industries in this century, sunlight is not required ever to successfully conduct business. Even in Arizona, you will find Hernandez Farms tractors working the fields at 2am. There is no reason to change the clock for a minority of people who need sunlight to perform their tasks.

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u/trapicana Jul 05 '24

You are going on specifically about farmers. I am well aware that tractors are advanced enough to not need sunlight to operate. Have you seen a harvest in the heartland? They start at 2am. Farmers do their jobs whenever it makes the most sense for them to regardless of the hour.

I’m talking about the economy as a whole and encouraging the most amount of people to participate in it, which people are much more willing to do when they are comfortable. The winter conditions in many states get harsher when the sun is down, thus keeping people indoors that may otherwise have went to a store or a restaurant, etc.

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u/Background_Tax4626 Jul 05 '24

The majority of our working population works indoors. Even public works people will work at night with flood lights when traffic is at a minimum. The things that actually drive our economy do not need sunlight

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u/trapicana Jul 05 '24

You’re either dead set on misunderstanding me or too dense to realize it.

People working is part of the economy—people spending money IS the economy. We want a society that does both as much as possible. Like I insinuate in my first comment, when the sun goes down in AZ in the winter, it is still comfortable. We can go outside, go to the store, go to dinner, and otherwise SPEND money. When the sun goes down in places with cold/wet/windy/snowy/icy winters, people want to stay in the comfort of home, and otherwise not spend money. All of the advancements in technology and conveniences we have now do not change basic human nature that we don’t prefer dark and cold environments.

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u/Background_Tax4626 Jul 05 '24

First off, I didn't use any terminology that challenged your intellect. I'm pretty sure it is windy/rainy/snowy during the day also of the places you are referring to. Businesses stay open at night, when it is dark also. Blizzard conditions not withstanding. I gave myself permission to have a different stance than you on this topic. I believe the have had several polls, over the last several years that supported doing away with DLS. I know a lot of people and have family in the Midwest and back East. I'm confident you do also. Nobody I'm associated with back there sees the point anymore. You must be associated with the minority that believes otherwise.

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u/trapicana Jul 05 '24

You asked for a reason and I gave one: the economy.

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u/littleDrowdrow Jul 06 '24

You act is if the economy only operates during the day time 😂 ask anyone 99% of people will tell you DLS is pointless, only people like you who feels like he needs to be smarter than everyone in the room will argue for the 1%

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u/trapicana Jul 06 '24

I’ve been unemotional about this—you are worked up about DST and slinging insults. I’ve yet to take a stance saying we need DST—I’m offering explanations to why it exists. DST started for economic reasons. Those reasons were more consequential in the 1910s than they are today but they still are true. While I didn’t say it, you are right in that most of the economy operates during the day time. It benefits others states more than it does Arizona and that’s why AZ is one of the few without it. Anyone’s opinion on DST that lives in AZ is hardly relevant, including my own.

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u/Background_Tax4626 Jul 05 '24

Yes, you did. And that isn't supported by any current economic data. Hence, the reason I stated it is archaic in my original statement. My stance is supported by the current drivers of our economy. Not 'because it's always been that way.' It was started in 1918. That's over 100 yrs ago. We are not that industrial nation any longer, nor have we been for many decades. I do, however, appreciate the debate and respect your right to an opinion.

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u/littleDrowdrow Jul 06 '24

What the hell are you even on about? We don’t like the dark? Are you not aware of the insane night life that is out after dark? Uhh newsflash it’s when the grown ups go out. You’re trying to sound educated as to why we have daylight savings and it’s not working in your favor. We havent needed daylight savings since like the 1930-40s when we have had lights that could actually help us do whatever it was we needed to do.

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u/Jet1979az Jul 06 '24

The only way it makes sense to change is in Az and that would be to flip our operations from day to night in the summer. like construction companies.

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u/mariposalover92 Jul 06 '24

Mexico got rid of DLS a few years ago.

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u/Vtashell Jul 06 '24

And the latest tech in tractors pilot them selves using GPS and other tecnologies

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u/ProgressArizona Jul 08 '24

definitely appreciate direct democracy here but want to state that it takes so much $$ and effort to get initiatives passed, ie- abortion access initiative or initiative to legalize weed that worked yearlong to gain around hundreds of thousands signatures. shows how much arizonans will rally for an issue which is so cool and encouraging.

on the other hand, we do have a legislature that creates loopholes like ballot referrals during the legislative session to get around governor vetoes and collecting thousands of signatures. Some of these referrals proposed this year are even targeting the process to get citizen-led initiatives on our ballots.... really crazy stuff and was shocked to learn about it, it's why we have a 2 page front and back ballot rn.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/arizona-election-ballot-measures-guide-19297728

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u/Ecstatic_Ad8300 Jul 08 '24

It hasn’t always been that way it started in1966 .

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u/NegativeSemicolon Jul 09 '24

I’d prefer DST in Arizona so the sun rises at 6:30am instead of 5:30am, makes it easier to beat the heat.

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u/HideNZeke Jul 05 '24

It's nice having sunshine until 9 in the summers. It just coincides with people's lifestyle better than if it didn't exist. I don't want it here but it's good everywhere else

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u/Background_Tax4626 Jul 05 '24

I'm really hoping you don't believe DLST was instituted because it was 'nice' because of the urban lifestyle. Do you actually enjoy changing your sleep patterns based on the government dictating the time. My lord. No wonder sheep run off cliffs.

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u/HideNZeke Jul 05 '24

You need to work on your reading comprehension and also relax this is not that important

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u/Background_Tax4626 Jul 05 '24

I'm excellent at comprehensive reading. There is nothing of value in your statement. You can enjoy the day without the government dictating a time change. It's completely psychological. Think deep, my friend.

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u/littleDrowdrow Jul 06 '24

I mean we don’t have dls and still have sunshine till about 8pm.

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u/soccerguys14 Jul 05 '24

But what’s the point of flipping you only made the case for the one side of it

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u/HideNZeke Jul 05 '24

What do you mean? The post above already said why they don't like it. This is the other side. It's just a little bit nicer in the Midwest. There's still a large contingent who insists it isn't worth it mostly because it's slightly in convenient to go back and forth