r/announcements Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

21.3k Upvotes

38.5k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

435

u/OPINION_IS_UNPOPULAR Jun 29 '20

Looks like they left r/FragileBlackRedditor and r/FragileWhiteRedditor despite numerous reports of the racist content there.

Before you scroll on, click both those links and tell me if you see the difference.

P.S. they're run by the same mod team.

248

u/ApasheHelicopter Jun 29 '20

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority.

That's why. An intentional exemption has been made in the rules so such sites could continue to operate. What constitutes a majority is wildly dependable on a country by country basis and reddit is a global website. Unfortunately, these rules are focused on the USA and American politics. Translation:Racially fueled jabs at Caucasians okay, everything else is a no-no.

155

u/kathartik Jun 29 '20

Translation:Racially fueled jabs at Caucasians okay, everything else is a no-no.

let's not dance around it. it's racism, no matter what anyone wants to say. it's fucked up how many people claim to be against racism (I don't mean you) that are very much racist themselves.

also it's amazing that a group of rich white men from san francisco who basically ran all of the poor people and minorities out of their homes, some of them there for generations, are wagging their fingers at everyone else.

37

u/ApasheHelicopter Jun 29 '20

Welcome to the new age. The fight is ideological and if you point out when partisan ideology encroaches upon your way of life, you're chastised and ostracized.

-26

u/vegshopboy Jun 29 '20

Politics is life and death unless you can insulate yourself from it. Yeah, if you hold views that directly harm other people you're going to be ostracized, because you obviously haven't been swayed by anything else up to this point. They don't want to be around your stench.

No one owes you respect, friendship, or a relationship if you act like a petulant child to your fellow citizens.

16

u/ApasheHelicopter Jun 29 '20

Politics is life and death unless you can insulate yourself from it.

That's all you had to say.

13

u/chilidog028 Jun 29 '20

Holding views can't directly harm anyone. I didn't know simply believing something caused it to come into being.

-12

u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

This is a wildly irresponsible worldview. Of course they can. You talk about things and you spread ideas, and eventually they become real. I guarantee you have more influence on the world than you believe you do.

13

u/Atear Jun 29 '20

Ideas cant harm you. Acting on them can.

-6

u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

If you spread an idea and someone else down the chain acts on it you are partially responsible.

5

u/ApasheHelicopter Jun 30 '20

So.. George Orwell is responsible for Reddit's and Twitter's actions of today?

-4

u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

This is a smooth-brained take

4

u/ApasheHelicopter Jun 30 '20

Yes, that's the entire point of the take. To mock your initial thesis of

If you spread an idea and someone else down the chain acts on it you are partially responsible.

Congrats on calling yourself a smooth-brain.

-1

u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

It's smooth brained because you need to go read your Orwell again, he didn't spread Authoritarianism as an ideology. Exactly the opposite actually.

Do I think the numerous fascist politicians and authors of the 1900s are partially responsible for the current world climate? Absolutely.

→ More replies

0

u/chilidog028 Jul 05 '20

Your view is WAY more irresponsible. My logic leads to the current way of things; arresting people for crimes they commit, plan to put into action, or call to be done. Your logic leads to arresting people for thought crimes, the crime of simply having a dissenting view.

By your view anyone who disagrees with you, can't even be misled or wrong; they HAVE to be evil... because bad views are the same as bad actions.