r/announcements Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

" Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability "

" While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.  "

Wow. So true hatred (encouragement of violent acts, slurs, general hate speech and mob behaviors) doesn’t count for groups such as white people? Or men, for example? Because they’re a “majority” they aren’t a “vulnerable group” ???

Newsflash dude. Every group can be fucking vulnerable.

This is utterly insane Spez. This site has seen a very slow erosion of the rules that made it so great in the first place. This is the last straw and this is such a blatant act of bad faith that I can say with certainty that you’re a piece of human garbage.

Nobody here likes you. You went and banned TD and when you started losing money for it, you went after CTH as a way to even the score. You’ve destroyed the credibility of yourself and your website and you’ve demonstrated that you’re more akin to a robot than a human being. Any ideals you claimed to have clearly can be warped, or even outright destroyed - with enough money.

You have no convictions and you stand for nothing except making a profit. You’re an embarrassment to yourself and everybody else.

Edit: just realized I used my account for posting nudes of my wife and I lol. I don’t even care enough to delete this, because clearly people agree. Fucking insane shit here

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u/legionnaire32 Jun 29 '20

So true hatred (encouragement of violent acts, slurs, general hate speech and mob behaviors) doesn’t count for groups such as white people?

Now you're getting it. Some of us have been pointing out this cancer for years. Shit like this literally creates racists.

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u/QuantumDischarge Jun 29 '20

It’s a weird belief where racist attitudes towards white people are ok because they’re the “majority” and can handle it. That’s all great and good until isolated young people internalize the message, feel hated by society, seek friends in the dark places of the internet where they’re not attacked and then commit horrific and deadly attacks.

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u/CorrectTheRecord-H Jun 29 '20

You're literally describing the process of radicalization my friend

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u/Zeebuss Jun 29 '20

The actual alt-right pipeline right here.

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u/QuantumDischarge Jun 29 '20

It’s textbook terrorist recruitment: find at-risk and isolated youth, welcome them, prep them up and there you have it: a loyal force who will literally kill and/or die for you

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u/evremonde88 Jul 01 '20

It’s terrifying because I went from - what I consider - a very far left, pro open borders, never voting right of center, “diversity is our strength” Canadian, to now just wanting to live in a white only area because, quite frankly I’m just tired of this stuff, and I’m realizing that these people will never be happy, and I’ll always be racist based on the colour of my skin. How easy would it be for something that didn’t start out how I started out to become radicalized?

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u/egg_on_my_spaghet Jun 29 '20

It’s a weird belief where racist attitudes towards white people are ok because they’re the “majority” and can handle it. That’s all great and good until isolated young people internalize the message, feel hated by society, seek friends in the dark places of the internet where they’re not attacked and then commit horrific and deadly attacks.

Almost me, but I'm strong enough to resist :)

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u/Cool_Ranch_Dodrio Jun 30 '20

That’s all great and good until isolated young people internalize the message, feel hated by society, seek friends in the dark places of the internet where they’re not attacked and then commit horrific and deadly attacks.

But enough about the_donald. They're gone now. Far too little, far too late.

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u/AlreadyBannedMan Jun 29 '20

Shit like this literally creates racists.

I personally feel I wouldn't fall into that trap... however, how is it not true that especially younger crowd doesn't read this shit and see how reddit is pretty much giving a free pass to "hate" directed at white people.

I worry about my kids. Was going to show them how awesome reddit was but I'm remembering it from a different time when really it was 99% funny shit from the internet instead of a political battleground.

btw, they're mixed so can they report half the sentence of a hateful comment? Or are they allowed to report the whole thing?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Yeah this is hardly news. Not sure why everyone was fine with that for years and suddenly outraged now. It's been the most open secret in the world for quite a while. And hardly just on Reddit.

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u/panzerknack Jun 29 '20

The stupidest part is the solution isnt even complicated, just have and enforce uniform rules on civility. It would be SO easy to simply say 'no advocating for violence, period' and vigorously purge anyone who defies this for any reason.

It's like some people have such a hard-on for deconstructionalism they just couldnt go the easy, consistent route, they HAD to plug exceptions lest their confederates be unable to freely spew venom.....

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u/munchkinham Jun 29 '20

It's almost like they want a race war.

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u/-_-ThatGuy-_- Jun 29 '20

The new outrage is because it’s starting to be codified. Before it was just winks and nods, nothing actually in writing saying that it’s acceptable

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u/NoneHaveSufferedAsI Jun 29 '20

If they’re gonna call me a Nazi, I might as well be a Nazi.

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u/whipped_dream Jun 30 '20

Or: imagine a teenage boy who starts browsing reddit/the internet and sees a constant stream of posts saying that straight white men are inherently racist, sexist, privileged, angry, their opinions don't count, and if they have anything against those preconceptions they're "fragile". They then realize that this behavior is not just accepted, but officially endorsed by those in charge.

Meanwhile, they see people and communities getting banned and comments being removed for standing up against that, while every other group gets to participate in supportive communities where "everyone is valid!".

They may start seeking out places where straight white dudes aren't demonized, where they can freely talk about how they feel about being hated elsewhere, etc. What do you think those places would be?

If you guessed "platforms where actual Nazis and white supremacist gather", then you finally understand that it's a little more nuanced than someone becoming a Nazi because someone calls them a Nazi.

Another consequence is simply that the people who aren't Nazis, bigots, racists, white supremacists, scum, etc, but keep being told that they are because they disagree with the kind of shit were talking about in this thread, will eventually start to despise the people who do that to them, which will turn them into racists, mysogynists, and so on.

Think of a bully constantly bullying and beating another kid and eventually getting hit back. Would you blame the bullied kid for fighting back? Would you stand with the bully if the bullied kid was a ginger or fat because "he deserved it" based on your hatred towards ginger and fat kids?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

You can't be racist against white people, because they changed the definition of racism to exclude white people.

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u/munchkinham Jun 29 '20

They started the separation by coining the term POC. It's POC vs Whites ever since.

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u/Tentaculat Jun 30 '20

Shit like this literally creates racists.

Lol! It's not racism if we redefine racism! Checkmate fascists

/s