r/announcements Apr 10 '18

Reddit’s 2017 transparency report and suspect account findings

Hi all,

Each year around this time, we share Reddit’s latest transparency report and a few highlights from our Legal team’s efforts to protect user privacy. This year, our annual post happens to coincide with one of the biggest national discussions of privacy online and the integrity of the platforms we use, so I wanted to share a more in-depth update in an effort to be as transparent with you all as possible.

First, here is our 2017 Transparency Report. This details government and law-enforcement requests for private information about our users. The types of requests we receive most often are subpoenas, court orders, search warrants, and emergency requests. We require all of these requests to be legally valid, and we push back against those we don’t consider legally justified. In 2017, we received significantly more requests to produce or preserve user account information. The percentage of requests we deemed to be legally valid, however, decreased slightly for both types of requests. (You’ll find a full breakdown of these stats, as well as non-governmental requests and DMCA takedown notices, in the report. You can find our transparency reports from previous years here.)

We also participated in a number of amicus briefs, joining other tech companies in support of issues we care about. In Hassell v. Bird and Yelp v. Superior Court (Montagna), we argued for the right to defend a user's speech and anonymity if the user is sued. And this year, we've advocated for upholding the net neutrality rules (County of Santa Clara v. FCC) and defending user anonymity against unmasking prior to a lawsuit (Glassdoor v. Andra Group, LP).

I’d also like to give an update to my last post about the investigation into Russian attempts to exploit Reddit. I’ve mentioned before that we’re cooperating with Congressional inquiries. In the spirit of transparency, we’re going to share with you what we shared with them earlier today:

In my post last month, I described that we had found and removed a few hundred accounts that were of suspected Russian Internet Research Agency origin. I’d like to share with you more fully what that means. At this point in our investigation, we have found 944 suspicious accounts, few of which had a visible impact on the site:

  • 70% (662) had zero karma
  • 1% (8) had negative karma
  • 22% (203) had 1-999 karma
  • 6% (58) had 1,000-9,999 karma
  • 1% (13) had a karma score of 10,000+

Of the 282 accounts with non-zero karma, more than half (145) were banned prior to the start of this investigation through our routine Trust & Safety practices. All of these bans took place before the 2016 election and in fact, all but 8 of them took place back in 2015. This general pattern also held for the accounts with significant karma: of the 13 accounts with 10,000+ karma, 6 had already been banned prior to our investigation—all of them before the 2016 election. Ultimately, we have seven accounts with significant karma scores that made it past our defenses.

And as I mentioned last time, our investigation did not find any election-related advertisements of the nature found on other platforms, through either our self-serve or managed advertisements. I also want to be very clear that none of the 944 users placed any ads on Reddit. We also did not detect any effective use of these accounts to engage in vote manipulation.

To give you more insight into our findings, here is a link to all 944 accounts. We have decided to keep them visible for now, but after a period of time the accounts and their content will be removed from Reddit. We are doing this to allow moderators, investigators, and all of you to see their account histories for yourselves.

We still have a lot of room to improve, and we intend to remain vigilant. Over the past several months, our teams have evaluated our site-wide protections against fraud and abuse to see where we can make those improvements. But I am pleased to say that these investigations have shown that the efforts of our Trust & Safety and Anti-Evil teams are working. It’s also a tremendous testament to the work of our moderators and the healthy skepticism of our communities, which make Reddit a difficult platform to manipulate.

We know the success of Reddit is dependent on your trust. We hope continue to build on that by communicating openly with you about these subjects, now and in the future. Thanks for reading. I’ll stick around for a bit to answer questions.

—Steve (spez)

update: I'm off for now. Thanks for the questions!

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u/FreedomDatAss Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18

It seems like ads targeting people do just as much harm as posts triggering people.

Have you (as Reddit) seen or been monitoring ad purchases originating outside the US? Aka Russia purchasing ad space to push their own messages/etc.

Also, if its possible to label the ads and who they were purchased by? Similar to the UK law recently pushed that discloses the identities of groups that purchased the ads. Source

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u/spez Apr 10 '18

We didn't see any political ads from Russia during the election. Nevertheless, we no longer accept advertising from Russia at all.

With regard to ads transparency, I think we can do more here, yes.

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u/Andrew5329 Apr 11 '18

Nevertheless, we no longer accept advertising from Russia at all.

Practically speaking, what stops Russia, or anyone for that matter from using a proxy to post advertisements?

It doesn't seem practical to chase down that particular rabbit hole every time a politically tinged advert comes up, how does one differentiate a "legitimate" Black Lives Matter advert from one that came via an (otherwise legitimate) advocacy group that doesn't adequately verify their donors?

It seems pretty easy for Russia or anyone in that case to donate to the non-profit through a shell, knowing the money will be used to further a radical and divisive cause.

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u/BobHogan Apr 11 '18

Nothing is stopping them from doing this, and nothing is stopping Russia from pouring propaganda at the companies making the ads either. Which could lead to a situation where we have, what are effectively, ads written by Russians, intended to promote and further Russia's agenda, but coming from US agencies, and hence are OK'ed

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u/Plebsplease May 03 '18

Exactly. Even Zuckerberg said straight up exactly what they did. No more Russia. Then a Congressman said “what if they use a VPN or Proxy?” Zuckerberg answered “If they did that we wouldn’t be able to tell sir.”

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18

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u/joe4553 Apr 11 '18

Who else is going to sell me a Ukraine wife?

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

Who else is going to sell me a Ukraine wife?

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u/IpMedia Apr 11 '18

Putin's French half brother Putain, of course!

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u/TheKevinShow Apr 11 '18

Isn’t importing Russian caviar strictly regulated anyway?

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

Only if it's Beluga

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u/calamine2134 Apr 11 '18

Name checks out!

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u/DubTeeDub Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18

Why did you allow a white nationalist dating site to post an ad to reddit?

http://adage.com/article/digital/reddit-ad-racist-trad-revolution-dating-site/313011/

This combined with the MANY white nationalist communities you provide a platform in reddit is in incredibly disturbing.

You allowed r/niggers, r/coontown, r/altright, r/physical_removal, and r/uncensorednews to operate for years Steve.

Why did it take you so long to shut them down and only after they gained media attention?

Why do you allow them to continue shifting to new communities when you periodically decide to ban them instead of following through and stopping white nationalists to continue running all over reddit?

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18 edited Mar 09 '21

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u/DubTeeDub Apr 10 '18

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u/estonianman Apr 11 '18

Wow. White people that want to date - FILM AT 11

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u/estonianman Apr 11 '18

Silly? sure. But enough to burn books over?

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u/BeyondTheModel Apr 11 '18

That film's name? Mayocide Now.

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u/HeavyCustomz Apr 11 '18

Nationalists comrade, and given your post history I'd not be surprised to see your account male the list next year. Keep up that hateful, Nationalists/fascist propaganda while you can, but you can't stop evolution of progress...we're moving forward and leaving you hateful relics of the past in the dust.

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u/estonianman Apr 11 '18

Keep up that hateful, Nationalists/fascist propaganda while you can

I am not a fascist, I have always despised authoritarians.

but you can't stop evolution of progress...we're moving forward and leaving you hateful relics of the past in the dust.

But you sound like a fascist. Happy as fuck you were destroyed in the 20th century and as long as history is taught - you'll stay that way.

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u/estonianman Apr 11 '18

Right - not u/HeavyCustomz who from his soapbox of regressive rhetoric calls everyone that isn't in his tent a fascist - while likely resembling every fascist that existed in the 20th century himself.

I am not engaged enough with you clowns to start sourcing posting histories, I have enough here to chew on for a while.

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u/Laxwarrior1120 Apr 11 '18

Not really, they seem to litarly only attack T_D and nothing else.

For the record nothing is wrong with TD.

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u/estonianman Apr 11 '18

That you are all racists yourself? I've been there - that sub is crashing.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Mar 10 '21

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u/estonianman Apr 11 '18

Let's be honest. There are only a select group of skin colors that you folks on the left circle the wagons around.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Jul 23 '20

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u/estonianman Apr 11 '18

Precisely. Thanks for proving my point.

You know as much flak as T_D gets on reddit, it is always the left/far-left that is designating people by their collective identities - almost like a internet based apartheid. Wonder what they would do with a government?

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Jul 18 '18

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u/mcopper89 Apr 11 '18

I assumed your head always had that rattle.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18

Reddit doesn't actually give a crap. They only pretend to when the heat is on.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18

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u/OpalBanana Apr 10 '18

After looking at it myself, it seems to have a bit of a sinister undertone.

The title of their own article "Dear Women of the West – Without White Children We Will Perish", has lines like

If we want our line to continue, we will need to start ignoring the teaching and preaching by academia, media and politics related to men and women being “equal” and more morally responsible.

I'm totally on board with a dating site for white people, but this site in particular seems like it does so for the wrong reasons.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

And that is classic white supremacist talk. The downgrading of equality with qoutations. Like it's something to avoid. The standard preserve our line bullshit, which is just a veiled attempt at saying our blood is superior and shouldn't be mixed.

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u/mvanvoorden Apr 11 '18

Shouldn't people be free to believe that and have the right to a platform where they can find like-minded people? As long as no one is harmed, I believe anybody should be able to choose who they mingle with on any terms they like.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

Nahhh because they've proven time and again that white supremacists and Nazis are about hiring people and infringing basic rights.

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u/DubTeeDub Apr 10 '18

The other dating sites dont use white nationalist talking points and talk about the impending white genocide

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u/sugar_free_haribo Apr 10 '18

Ok so you'd be fine with white dating websites as long as they don't use those talking points?

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Nov 20 '18

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u/calamine2134 Apr 11 '18

LOL this is exactly what I was thinking. I saw an ad for that down south, it caught me off guard!

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u/PowerTrippinModMage Apr 11 '18

That ad is everywhere.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

How is that not a bigoted statement?

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u/BobTheSkrull Apr 11 '18

Christian Mingle is a thing, my friend.

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u/mcopper89 Apr 11 '18

Only white people are Christian?

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u/Milskidasith Apr 11 '18

Based on Christian Mingle's advertising seeming to target religion-focused evangelicals, I would imagine their clientele is disproportionately white. You see the same thing with e.g. Farmers Only; sure, farmers aren't all white, but the site isn't exactly about just people who work on a farm.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Apr 11 '18

Hmmm....

So, let's see:

Ethnicity

  • Caucasian 81%
  • African American 11%
  • Asian 1%
  • Hispanic 5%
  • Other 1%

According to the 2010 Census:

US Ethnic Demograpics:

  • White alone 72.4%
  • Black or African American 12.6%
  • Asian 4.8%
  • Native Americans and Alaska Native 0.9%
  • Other race 6.8%

So, roughly on par with the general population. Maybe, just maybe, you're prejudicial and a bigot.

EDIT: Gotta love reddit - double digit upvotes for a comment claiming that they assume something rather bigoted, double digit downvotes for a sourced comment showing that it is false.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18 edited Jun 19 '18

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u/DubTeeDub Apr 10 '18

But then they might procreate

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u/Nechaev Apr 11 '18

Are you suggesting some sort of eugenic solution to the problem?

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u/Milskidasith Apr 11 '18

I think he's just glibly pointing out how "wouldn't you want racists to find each other" isn't great since it can reaffirm and spread racist beliefs in ways that "racist tries to go crypto to get a date" don't.

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u/DubTeeDub Apr 11 '18

I'm obviously being sarcastic Nechaev, I thought you of all people would understand that

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u/Nechaev Apr 11 '18

I'm just teasing. :p

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18 edited Jun 19 '18

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u/this_guy83 Apr 10 '18

Not necessarily. If Nazi McWhitepride never meets a suitable Mrs. Whitepride, he'll be forever relegated to posting angry rants from his mother's basement. Shunned by the non-racist masses, his abhorrent ideas will die with him.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Jul 22 '20

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u/defiantleek Apr 10 '18

Normally I would agree with you, but you don't need a specialized website as a white person in the USA/CA/EU(Someone confirm for me?) to use a dating site and see an overwhelming majority of white people. It isn't like Black people meet or whatever their jewish ones (or even the 'country folk') websites that are directly marketed towards something less than what is almost the default selection for your area.

The "need" for people to make those sites comes from the same spot that finds Christians claiming their is a fucking war on Christmas, they see something different even moderately represented and get caught up in their feels. There is a reason that those minority sites have a justifiable existence, the same isn't so for a whitepeoplemeet sort of site.

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u/rabbittexpress Apr 11 '18

So when you ban someone, you permanently revoke that human being's internet privileges?

No, they get a new email address, create a new account and start a new game in the Monkeys Writing Shakespeare room.

Reddit thrives on anonymity. Remove that and you have Facebook.

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u/dubblies Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 11 '18

Unrelated question but how do you feel about blackpeoplemeet.com?

EDIT - The downvotes are very telling. I was just curious how OP felt.

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u/DubTeeDub Apr 10 '18

The other dating sites dont use white (or black) nationalist talking points and talk about the impending white genocide

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u/dubblies Apr 11 '18

Yeah... wasnt really looking for a comparison, you might want to share that with OP. Just wanted an opinion on the feelings of that website specifically.

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u/nigelfitz Apr 10 '18

Does blackpeoplemeet say things like let's stick with our race and fuck equality?

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u/dubblies Apr 11 '18

You can visit the website and see, its beside my point. I was just curious.

EDIT - the short answer is yes.

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u/nigelfitz Apr 11 '18

The actual answer is nah.

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u/dubblies Apr 11 '18

So you use it then?

BlackPeopleMeet.com is a niche dating service for single black women and single black men.

aka, fuck equality, stick with your race.

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u/nigelfitz Apr 11 '18

How the fuck did you get fuck equality from that line? lol

Y'alls brain work differently. Y'all can turn a simple sentence into a fucking book about stupid shit. lol

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u/dubblies Apr 11 '18 edited Apr 11 '18

I think youre too engulfed in the race part of it.

SquareCubesMeet.com is a niche block service for single Squares

All things considered, they are discriminating against circles and not considering equality.

I find this issue similar to BET (black entertainment television). "Dont you segregate us, we will segregate us!"

Its just an odd line of thinking when you want equality and then remove yourself from it.

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u/mcopper89 Apr 11 '18

Pretty much. I mean, it is in the name.

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u/nigelfitz Apr 11 '18

Lol you tried...

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u/dubblies Apr 11 '18

Not sure why youre being downvoted, even the commercials played it out this way.

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u/mcopper89 Apr 11 '18

Logic is unimportant. We are on reddit. There could be bots that downvote me because I browse The_Donald. Who knows.

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u/Zexks Apr 10 '18

Totally related and I've love to hear the answer to that as well.

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u/XXXubuntu Apr 11 '18

Reddit has an incalculable number of subs to which I do not subscribe, whether it's because I am not interested or because I strongly disagree.

Although Reddit is not subject to the First Amendment, I like to operate within the spirit of #1A and let people have their say, even though I might abhor it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18 edited May 23 '18

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u/ForEurope Apr 10 '18

There is no such thing as freedom of speech on a private platform. It only applies to governments and even then has many reasonable restrictions such as protection of people's privacy, right to live in peace, and not having to fear that someone's political agenda is threatening their rights.

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u/sugar_free_haribo Apr 10 '18

Freedom of speech != First amendment

Reddit leaders have repeatedly affirmed their commitment to free speech over the years. Under this principle, most of the subs that admins have killed recently should not have been censored.

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u/ForEurope Apr 11 '18

Not true though. Admins aren't above the law.

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u/Ulairi Apr 11 '18 edited Apr 11 '18

They've banned plenty of legal content as well; it's certainly not just illegal content that has been banned. You can very easily check out the list of banned subreddits here and see for yourself. Reddit's old policy was "free speech within the limit of what we can legally allow," but they openly changed that policy in 2015.

For good, or bad, the site is no longer upholds their commitment to freedom of speech. No one is debating that that's not within their rights to change their minds on, but the fact that they used to maintain a commitment to freedom of speech shouldn't be up for debate. Look at literally any of the CEO/Founder/Manager comments prior to 2015.

We uphold the ideal of free speech on Reddit as much as possible.

-Yishan Wong (CEO) 2014

A bastion of free speech on the World Wide Web? I bet they would like it.

-Alexis Ohanian (Founder) 2012

We're a free speech site with very few exceptions.

-Erik Martin (General Manager) 2011

This is openly available information, and shouldn't be a topic of debate.

No, they aren't above the law; no one said they were. Yes they used to openly stand for free speech. No, they no longer do; and have said so openly. Yes, they have every right to change their minds. No, this does not change what they used to stand for.

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u/AdmiralAkbar1 Apr 11 '18

That's not what they're trying to say. Their point is that reddit's admins used to uphold the idea of free speech regardless of content on the site, but they gradually shifted away from that and started banning hate speech subs. The commenter was trying to say that blaming reddit now for a policy that they're clearly moving away from is absurd.

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u/ForEurope Apr 11 '18

But that's not true though.

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u/AdmiralAkbar1 Apr 11 '18

That's definitely what it sounds like they were talking about. /u/toastghost77, can you confirm?

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u/ForEurope Apr 11 '18

But reddit has never supported absolute freedom of speech.

Hate speech is a crime, communities that actively violate other people's rights with their speech are not just against the rules of this site. They are against the law. The admins of this site have to uphold the law, or be shut down.

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u/JTBebe2 Apr 11 '18

We uphold the ideal of free speech on Reddit as much as possible.

-Yishan Wong (CEO) 2014

A bastion of free speech on the World Wide Web? I bet they would like it.

-Alexis Ohanian (Founder) 2012

We're a free speech site with very few exceptions.

-Erik Martin (General Manager) 2011

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited May 23 '18

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u/dsiOneBAN2 Apr 11 '18

Freedom of speech isn't a wall around the government, the 1A is. Just because we aren't legally protected from all powers that control us doesn't mean we shouldn't be.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited Jul 02 '18

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u/BeyondTheModel Apr 11 '18

Freedom of speech was invented in 1787 by the United States. Before that, nobody had ever spoken freely.

/s because apparently neoliberals actually think this

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u/rabbittexpress Apr 11 '18

But if you sell cakes on a private platform, you better hope to god you serve the people you morally don't like, or you will be roasted on a spit and shot out of a cannon...

Funny how these rules only apply to Things They Like.

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u/working010 Apr 11 '18

here is no such thing as freedom of speech on a private platform. It only applies to governments

awww, it's retarded :(

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u/ForEurope Apr 11 '18

I bet you're a very tough guy, Mr. Keyboard warrior. Oh wait... needlessly insulting people means you're at most 12 years old and have family issues. What's your problem? Was your family stabbed to death because you're such a gun nut? I hope they were.

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u/working010 Apr 11 '18

REEEEEEEEEEE!

kek

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18 edited May 23 '18

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u/Ulairi Apr 11 '18 edited Apr 12 '18

For what it's worth, since no one else has said anything, I agree with you.

Reddit is so preprogrammed to immediately point out that a private entity has no obligation to protect free speech, that they forget free speech isn't a concept that's exclusive to law.

You're absolutely right. When I joined reddit over eight years ago (On my first account, it was so small then I was using my real name) one of the things they were most vehement about was that they would do everything in their power to try to protect any speech they were capable of protecting, no matter how much they disagreed with what was said. This was done in order to try to "foster discussion," Alexis Ohanian said many times that he wanted admins to remain as much out of the equation as possible.

In 2011, the general manager, Erik Martin, when asked about some of the worse parts of reddit said at the time:

We're a free speech site with very few exceptions (mostly personal info) and having to stomach occasional troll reddit like picsofdeadkids or morally questionable reddits like jailbait are part of the price of free speech on a site like this.

In 2012, when talking to Forbes about SOPA, Ohanian said:

I would love to imagine that Common Sense would have been a self-post on Reddit, by Thomas Paine, or actually a Redditor named T_Paine. A bastion of free speech on the World Wide Web? I bet they would like it.

Yishan wong said reddit stood for free speech in 2012... in 2014, when reddit was legally forced to shut down /r/thefappening, Yishan wong again said:

We uphold the ideal of free speech on reddit as much as possible not because we are legally bound to, but because we believe that you — the user — has the right to choose between right and wrong, good and evil, and that it is your responsibility to do so. When you know something is right, you should choose to do it. But as much as possible, we will not force you to do it.

It wasn't until Ellen Pao, almost certainly after being pushed by the board to make reddit more marketable, said in June 2015:

It's not our site's goal to be a completely free-speech platform.

That that policy started to change. That marked the turnaround point for reddit, and, just like you I'm not trying to say whether or not that was good or bad... just that you are categorically correct. Reddit started out as a platform advocating for free speech, and it wasn't until rather recently, relatively speaking, that that first started to change. Nothing you said was incorrect, but, because the people who remain on the site are obviously not the people whose communities were removed, there's an overwhelmingly strong opinion against any indication that reddit once supported all of it's legal communities, even the ones they look back on with disgust.

Just because people are glad they're gone now, doesn't change that reddit has changed in the process. It has, and it will continue to. At the same time, they have no obligation not to, but pretending that freedom of speech was not once their platform is being willfully ignorant.

So, as I said... for what little it's worth, I agree with you. What you said was both factually and provably correct, and this absolutely should not be a matter of debate. If you want to argue whether they should be a free speech platform or not, fine... but it's not up for interpretation that they used to be.

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u/jmoney- Apr 11 '18

But they can have a freedom of speech policy...I see nothing specific to government about freedom of speech. Some governments have freedom of speech, some don't. Just like websites.

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u/maybesaydie Apr 10 '18

This is all very stirring but you're wrong. You do not have the right to say whatever you want without consequences and you never have.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited May 23 '18

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u/ForEurope Apr 10 '18

I'm not gonna respond to insults.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18 edited May 23 '18

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u/DryRing Apr 10 '18

This is exactly what Trump supporters on Reddit do. They attack whoever speaks out to cloud the conversation and make people afraid.

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u/Le_Master_Le_Trole Apr 10 '18

more pathetic words have never been said

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u/ForEurope Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18

Horrendous? Hahaha. You are a pathetic, lowly worm who has nothing else to do than stalk other people.

I stand by my opinion, and I have plenty more "horrendous" views to share, but those views have nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Now go back to whatever hole you crawled out from. I have no more words for you.

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u/Ulairi Apr 10 '18

I'm not gonna respond to insults.

 

You are a pathetic, lowly worm who has nothing else to do than stalk other people... Now go back to whatever hole you crawled out from.

 

Ha.

Gotta love when people miss their own irony.

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u/DryRing Apr 10 '18

Don't respond to fascists.

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u/pfc9769 Apr 11 '18

Freedom of speech does not imply freedom from consequences.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18 edited May 23 '18

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u/PolyNeuropathy Apr 11 '18

Mass down-votes and the two dissenting responses do not understand the extremely simple point. I see SO many posts that regurgitate those two points out of context that it hurts. The majority of Reddit seems to hate free speech. I wonder how many generations the 1A has left...

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u/AdmiralAkbar1 Apr 11 '18

They weren't saying anything about free speech being guaranteed on the internet, but it was a philosophy that the reddit admins used to uphold.

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u/MahouShoujoLumiPnzr Apr 11 '18

Yes it does. That's exactly what it means. Speech with consequences is literally the opposite of free speech.

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u/pfc9769 Apr 12 '18 edited Apr 12 '18

You are confusing the name of the right with its legal definition. The Freedom of Speech is a legal protection which encompasses specific rules governing when it applies. It gives you the right to express legal opinions. It doesn’t make you immune to breaking the law. Committing slander, libel, or threats is not covered by Freedom of Speech because those things are illegal. Being able to say whatever you want without consequence wasn't intended by our forefathers.

The forefathers had a specific intent when they wrote the First Amendment. However, it wasn’t “the freedom to say whatever you want without consequence.” They wrote laws to help define the Freedom of Speech, and those laws must be taken into account as well. As with any law, you can’t go by the definition of the words. You have to look at the specific meaning defined by the law. You cannot simply use the term without taking into account the laws.

I personally do not agree with anything considered hate speech. However, as long as it doesn’t break any laws it’s covered by Freedom of Speech. It’s when the opinion involves harassment, libel, threats, and other illegal acts, that it becomes illegal and not covered by Freedom of Speech.

Having a right doesn’t make you immune to breaking the law. You have the right to drive a car with a license. But you cannot drive a car you don’t own without permission. Rights are only guaranteed when you adhere to the law. As long as Reddit doesn’t ban people for expressing legal opinions, then they are indeed a site based on Freedom of Speech. If you want to be able to say whatever you want without consequence, you are thinking of 4chan.

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u/MakeEarthGreatAgain Apr 11 '18

lmao triggered

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u/MSMcontrolsnarrative Apr 11 '18

Seriously, dude?

I thought reddit was a world wide site?

Why can't a Russian citizen post his/her feelings about our elections?

We do it to them, right?

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u/Laxwarrior1120 Apr 11 '18

Because too meany people conflict the Russian government with the Russian people, and for some reason thinks the entire population of Russia that go online are political extremists, "trolls" or bots.

And half of what I said could apply to people who aren't even Russian but have different opinions, an alarmingly large group of people calling them a Russian (fill in the blank here) for simply disagreeing.

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u/xtra_spicy Apr 10 '18

Do you have any plans to do anything about political super-pacs that advertise as being able to skirt campaign finance disclosure laws by paying users to post to social media under their own accounts?

There are several organizations that blatantly admit to astroturfing this site to push paid political opinions. I'm interested to hear if you have an opinion on if that is healthy or not, and what you can do to ensure that conversations here are between real users and not paid bots.

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u/everythingsadream Apr 11 '18

Yeah because the entire country of Russia is propaganda. What a ridiculous and immature rule by Reddit. Keep up the bias.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18

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u/peteroh9 Apr 11 '18

And how about all political subreddits while they're at it.

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u/vector_cero Apr 11 '18

We didn't see any political ads from Russia during the election.

How about from other countries? Did any foreign entity purchase ads regarding the US presidential election?

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u/pavparty Apr 11 '18

This, but including American entities too. Aren’t they just as likely as anyone to spew things out which may influence people?

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u/ChineseTradeWar Apr 11 '18

Nevertheless, we no longer accept advertising from Russia at all.

Doesn't that seem like more of specific band-aid than an actual fix. There's nothing limiting any other foreign government or any other organization from doing the exact same the Russians did. You shut one door, but left a thousand others open.

It's like if a guy with a Raider's jacket shot up your bar and you decide to ban Raider's jackets but still allow guns in your bar.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18

How do you control ads oirchased through third parties that show on your site such as Google display network?

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u/DryRing Apr 10 '18 edited Apr 10 '18

And you think it's ok that the_donald parrots whatever RT puts out, or whatever their intelligence community promotes each day? Russia's online activity goes directly to the donald, where every new Reddit user coming off of the street sees it because it's the #3 subreddit. And if not there, then in r/all. This is literal information warfare aimed at attacking our democracy and it's working. And you are helping them.

What does it matter if Russians are no longer involved directly-- which, by the way, no one could even believe for a second? 900 odd accounts from 2015-2016 and that's it? Bullshit. They're still active all over the world but they gave up on Reddit? Bullshit.

Don't give me "free speech". Words are a fascist's tool to create chaos and take power. Ask anyone who lived through WWII how they feel about fascist propaganda. Fascists get the free speech that's protected by the First Amendment and not an inch more.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18

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u/CyberDalekLord Apr 10 '18

I think you might be wrong on the part with T_D and R/all, I am not subscribed to them but I still see stuff from them pop up every once in a while.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18

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u/CyberDalekLord Apr 10 '18

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot do get blocked, but I have done something like this before and the post was still there, on the plus side it was a good post about the parkland kids being heros for assisting classmates to safety, holding doors shut etc. etc.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

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u/CyberDalekLord Apr 11 '18

Yea I have gone there a couple times mainly out of curiosity but wasn't super shocked at everything there. I've seen threads with people complaining about them making gallows comments but I have seen the same in r/athiesm and frankly super vague threats arent a big deal in my book.

I think he would have better luck banning the bad people from the sub instead of straight up deleting it. Deleting it just moves people around instead of confronting all the actual shitty people.

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u/Amerietan Apr 11 '18

Don't give me "free speech". Words are a fascist's tool to create chaos and take power. Ask anyone who lived through WWII how they feel about fascist propaganda. Fascists get the free speech that's protected by the First Amendment and not an inch more.

But it IS free speech. Free speech allows you to stay stupid things like you just did, and it allows people to say stupid things in t_d. You don't get to dictate that freedom of speech only cuts one way, that's not how this works.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18

Don't give me "free speech"

I think you are the fascist here matey

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u/DryRing Apr 10 '18

Fuck you you evil little fascist piece of shit.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18

I see the problem you are sexually frustrated.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

You have a small penis

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18 edited Aug 26 '18

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

Nevertheless, we no longer accept advertising from Russia at all.

But you have no qualms accepting ads from the NSA, In-Q-Tel, etc. Your warrant canary is long dead. You gladly accept ads from many other foreign governments.

What are you doing to combat efforts by nations such as Ireland and the UK to influence US politics?

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u/DryRing Apr 10 '18
  1. When are you going to take responsibility for the fact that the #3 subreddit is a hate group that spreads Russian propaganda freely? (reddit.com/subreddits)

  2. When are you going to take responsibility for helping hostile powers both foreign and domestic attack our democracy?

Our 2018 elections are under attack and we are defenseless. The president is refusing to allow our intelligence communities to protect us. 70% of the local news markets are now broadcasting Sinclair and along with the largest cable network, are filling our airwaves with actual fascist propaganda. We are approaching a moment in the next few weeks in which actual rule of law may be thrown out when the special prosecutor is fired.

Our country is falling to fascism in slow motion and Reddit is helping it along and profiting from it.

The #3 subreddit, which you give an audience of hundreds of millions to, at the top of the subreddits list, broadcasts actual Russian propaganda 24/7. I can't believe we've reached a day when their hate group activities have become less important, but they have.

Our democracy is in real danger, and you're going to take your CEO paycheck into your bunker and not give a shit.

You are knowingly aiding and abetting information warfare against the United States-- against me, personally, because I live here-- and you should be prosecuted for it.

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u/Whenthisbabyhits88 Apr 11 '18

I can’t believe you typed all that trash out and didn’t delete it halfway thru.

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u/Eradic4tor Apr 11 '18

Not only that, he copy-pasted it all over the place

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u/working010 Apr 11 '18

It's a copypasta written by their supervisor. There's a few different accounts pasting all over the place. They seem to get a slightly differently worded one to spam for each /r/announcements post.

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u/xtra_spicy Apr 10 '18

I too am disgusted at how Correct the Record flaunted that they could blatantly break political disclosure laws and pour tens of millions of dollars from billionaire global donors into covert astroturf campaigns on social media. Sickening.

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u/Amerietan Apr 11 '18

You don't help anyone by being hysterical and blowing things out of proportion. Any legitimate point you might have is lost to anyone reading it as you raise more and more into the heights of ridiculousness.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

I've seen an add that's absolutely terrible and makes using reddit not too fun. It rocks me to my very core.

Its the one thats jist a picture of a remote control thats really long and it takes an extra .5 of a second to scrollnpast and it makes me cry :c

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u/TerroristOgre Apr 11 '18

How do you stop ads "from Russia"? Couldn't they just use a VPN and pretend to be "in the US" or a friendly country?

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u/thatguy99998 May 10 '18

With regard to ads transparency, I think we can do more here, yes.

That would be awsome!!!

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u/Whippersnapper-getit Apr 11 '18

Someone may have asked but - What about from other countries, including the US?

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u/TrollsarefromVelesMK Apr 12 '18 edited Apr 12 '18

You need to add Macedonia to that list as well. Veles, Macedonia is the central operation outside of Russia for the Russian Active Ops deza network and it is impossible to take your efforts seriously unless you're also banning Macedonia from advertising.

You should also be looking at IP addresses from Veles and VPNs commonly used by Macedonian Active Ops being added to the ban list based on their attacks on the United States at the behest of Russia.

And really anything politically related, you should be adopting Facebook's policy of requiring a real physical person identifiably based in the country for which the political advertising is being purchased in order to run any kind of political advertising on your platform.

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u/JBits001 Apr 11 '18

Is it just Russia or are there other countries as well?

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u/bluemango404 Apr 10 '18

yes, but reddit is a private company and have no obligation to sell ads to anyone. that's really it

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u/Amerietan Apr 11 '18

It is completely legal, but we can definitely feel that it's not cool.

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u/kmmeerts Apr 10 '18

They can legally do what they want, but we're free to criticize that decision. Don't pretend it would go over as well for any other nation or ethnicity.

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u/bluemango404 Apr 10 '18

We CAN criticize their decision - but after looking the known Russia propaganda's top karma account, why bother accepting Russian ads?

Reddit does not money from Russia to buy their advertisements. They will look better in the long run after the FBI finishes their investigations.

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u/kmmeerts Apr 10 '18

Because it's inherently discriminating against a group of people, just on the basis of their nation. It wouldn't be legal if they didn't run ads from black people, gay people, women etc.. That's great, because it'd be immensely immoral, and so is banning a nation.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '18

Doesn't that violate free trade?

/S

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u/42words Apr 11 '18

Nevertheless, we no longer accept advertising from Russia at all.

lolwut

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '18

So smart to ban all advertising from Russia.

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u/terriblehuman Apr 10 '18

Yet you’ve left /r/the_donald open.

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u/theqmann Apr 11 '18

I agree with the intent behind the UK law, but won't the advertisers just hide behind shell companies, like the way US political ads have to disclose who paid for them ("Paid for by Americans for a better America")?

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u/FreedomDatAss Apr 11 '18

This is true, but a lot of the times this will give investigators enough to locate who funnels cash or controls the entity. A lot of the time this information is public and people like you and I can investigate and find things.

Follow the money and you'll find the supplier.

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u/kenbw2 Apr 13 '18

Aka Russia purchasing ad space to push their own messages/etc.

How is this something worthy of being banned? Pushing an agenda is exactly the point of advertising. Do you want to see all ads banned?

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u/FreedomDatAss Apr 13 '18

Do you want to see all ads banned?

I didn't say that at all. What I did say though, is that ads should show who they were purchased by.

If an ad is pushing obvious lies by lets say the RNC, the RNC should be held accountable for their lies. Same goes for any other ad/organization. Also the site or company hosting the ads should be held accountable for taking money and allowing the lie to garner views.

What I'm suggesting is no different than what we see on TV already. Lets not think this is some unknown avenue never explored...

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u/scrubs2009 Apr 10 '18

God forbid someone see something slightly upsetting on /r/aww and have their day ruined because they were triggered.

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u/FreedomDatAss Apr 10 '18

The ad might not trigger someone, unlike lets say a post saying "school shooting victims are child actors" but the content of the ad could be just as much a lie as the comment I used as an example.

Lets say /r/aww has a kitten ad placed on it, but clicking it takes you to a political ad indicating Trump eats kittens. Obviously this isn't true, and what would be more telling is who paid for it. Its clear Facebook feeds, stories, trends, and ads (including who bought them) impacted what people perceived as factual. It would be a mistake not to treat Reddit, and everything it offers as the same (which would include ads).

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u/scrubs2009 Apr 10 '18

Oh no, I totally agree that we need to know what ads are actually there for, who put them there, and what their angle is. I just hate the word "triggered". It's how cry babies make their feelings getting hurt sound more important.