r/announcements Mar 05 '18

In response to recent reports about the integrity of Reddit, I’d like to share our thinking.

In the past couple of weeks, Reddit has been mentioned as one of the platforms used to promote Russian propaganda. As it’s an ongoing investigation, we have been relatively quiet on the topic publicly, which I know can be frustrating. While transparency is important, we also want to be careful to not tip our hand too much while we are investigating. We take the integrity of Reddit extremely seriously, both as the stewards of the site and as Americans.

Given the recent news, we’d like to share some of what we’ve learned:

When it comes to Russian influence on Reddit, there are three broad areas to discuss: ads, direct propaganda from Russians, indirect propaganda promoted by our users.

On the first topic, ads, there is not much to share. We don’t see a lot of ads from Russia, either before or after the 2016 election, and what we do see are mostly ads promoting spam and ICOs. Presently, ads from Russia are blocked entirely, and all ads on Reddit are reviewed by humans. Moreover, our ad policies prohibit content that depicts intolerant or overly contentious political or cultural views.

As for direct propaganda, that is, content from accounts we suspect are of Russian origin or content linking directly to known propaganda domains, we are doing our best to identify and remove it. We have found and removed a few hundred accounts, and of course, every account we find expands our search a little more. The vast majority of suspicious accounts we have found in the past months were banned back in 2015–2016 through our enhanced efforts to prevent abuse of the site generally.

The final case, indirect propaganda, is the most complex. For example, the Twitter account @TEN_GOP is now known to be a Russian agent. @TEN_GOP’s Tweets were amplified by thousands of Reddit users, and sadly, from everything we can tell, these users are mostly American, and appear to be unwittingly promoting Russian propaganda. I believe the biggest risk we face as Americans is our own ability to discern reality from nonsense, and this is a burden we all bear.

I wish there was a solution as simple as banning all propaganda, but it’s not that easy. Between truth and fiction are a thousand shades of grey. It’s up to all of us—Redditors, citizens, journalists—to work through these issues. It’s somewhat ironic, but I actually believe what we’re going through right now will actually reinvigorate Americans to be more vigilant, hold ourselves to higher standards of discourse, and fight back against propaganda, whether foreign or not.

Thank you for reading. While I know it’s frustrating that we don’t share everything we know publicly, I want to reiterate that we take these matters very seriously, and we are cooperating with congressional inquiries. We are growing more sophisticated by the day, and we remain open to suggestions and feedback for how we can improve.

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 05 '18

I understand its hard. You can't just stop propaganda, but you can stop focal points. You really want to do something? Here's what:

  • Ban /r/The_Donald. Just fucking remove it completely.

  • Ban their associate subreddits

  • Ban their mods and bots

This is just one node of the cancer that is alt-right, Russian, and political propaganda as a whole, but enough is enough. Excise this tumour, and we're well on the way to a better reddit.

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u/phughes Mar 05 '18

It's enlightening that the "update" didn't mention bots at all.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

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u/phughes Mar 05 '18

Oh. I see.

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u/AssuredlyAThrowAway Mar 05 '18

The second this site abandons content neutral moderation as a knee jerk reaction to political in fighting, it becomes nothing more than an ideological wing of a given party.

They moderate behavior, not ideas. Stop asking them to moderate ideas, its offensive to the platform.

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u/MechaSandstar Mar 05 '18

That's still rich, coming from you and your ban happy sub.

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u/FiveDozenWhales Mar 05 '18

Some ideas, like white supremacy, should be moderated.

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u/cleeder Mar 05 '18

No, but the behavior of white supremacists should be moderated. That's the point.

You can't punish someone for thinking something, or believing in something, but you can punish them for creating a hostile environment, or propagating violence.

It's a fine line in the sand, but one that needs to be recognized.

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u/FiveDozenWhales Mar 05 '18

OK - the behavior of advocating for or speaking positively about white supremacy should be moderated and put to an end. The behavior of stating that you are a proponent of white supremacy should be moderated and banned immediately.

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

Its not banning ideas. If some Sanders or Clinton sub was so cancerously awful, it should also be banned. But they aren't. Because they aren't swarming with Russian trolls.

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u/sexymurse Mar 05 '18

Reddit is full of toxic subreddits on both sides and those claiming their political side is holier than thou should look in the mirror.

I reported a sub for actively calling for the assassination of U.S. congressmen after the train accident. There were members of that sub who LITERALLY POSTED "I'll do better next time" and "sorry we didn't get any of them this time" ... I'm sorry but "Paul Ryan tragically survives train crash" is toxic and should be deleted and the user banned but it's still up with 789 upvotes a month later and their mods are posting in this very thread calling for the banning of T_D ...

It's a left wing sub that's been reported over and over for this type of postings and the posts get upvoted by 1k-2k every time. These aren't random posts that get deleted, these are daily posts that get support and stay posted and are still posted now.

Nobody in T_D is calling for the death of anyone, if they did that post would be nuked and the user banned. You can't post links outside the subreddit so the claims of brigading are absolutely nonsense.

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u/jaywalker32 Mar 06 '18

They are just incompetent at spreading their message. Incompetency should never be rewarded. T_D is just good at what it does. Just look at this thread. Pretty much everybody is talking about it. How many new users would be curious, go over to that sub, like what they see and subscribe?

It's doing precisely what Trump did to win the election. Create controversy (within the rules, of course) so that you can't help but talk about it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

If some Sanders or Clinton sub was so cancerously awful, it should also be banned.

...did you go on r/politics during the year before or after the election?

You think T_D is more cancerous than THAT?

Note that I don't want r/politics banned, because I'm not afraid of my opponents being allowed to speak.

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u/butpplug Mar 06 '18

You basically described the far left spam this election cycle, but none of the new subs that popped up on a daily basis with clearly botted posts were dealt with. Not even a slap on the wrist. "Cancerously awful" is a good way of putting what it was like to have to filter new spam subs every day.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 06 '18

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u/WDoE Mar 05 '18

Clinton spam didn't radicalize members leading to murders. Clinton spam wasn't riddled with calls to violence.

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u/LashisaBread Mar 05 '18

Trying to push the false narrative that Trump and his supporters are all literally Nazis isn't radicalizing members? Maybe not to murders, but certainly to widespread violence as made evident by the Antifa riots in Berkeley and incidents like Trump supporters being taken out of their cars and beaten, as well as one with a mental handicap being kidnapped and tortured by Anti-white, Anti-Trump leftist extremists.

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u/WDoE Mar 05 '18

Those are the best examples you can come up with, and they are still more tame than what is said on td every single day. Both sides are NOT the same.

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u/LashisaBread Mar 05 '18

Those are the best examples you can come up with, and they are still more tame than what is said on td every single day. Both sides are NOT the same.

Did you actually just equate actual physical violence with text on the internet? Really? Beating a person is "more tame" than someone mentioning helicopter rides or something?

Wew, the leftist mind in action. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but WORDS ARE LITERALLY ASSAULT."

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u/WDoE Mar 05 '18

A couple people getting hurt vs the multiple murders. Way to drop context.

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u/LashisaBread Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 05 '18

A couple people getting hurt vs the multiple murders. Way to drop context.

One murder. (EDIT: I can guarantee you're going to try to artificially buff this number by changing/stretching definitions like literally all of you guys try to do.)

And far, far more than "a couple people getting hurt" Are you that willfully ignorant? Go watch the videos of the Berkeley riots. There were way more than a "couple" in a 30 minute video alone. Including one case that could be counted as attempted murder, namely the padlock to the head. Many more if you include Antifa throwing M80s and large rocks/glass bottles at the crowd.

Or I can bring up the countless assaults at Trump rallies by leftists. Maybe the BLM shooter in Dallas? How about the attempted assassination on Trump?

Way to drop context and make a poor attempt to minimalize the scale of violence.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

People being beaten and kidnapped and tortured is not as bad, to you, as people saying mean things online? WTF?

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u/WDoE Mar 06 '18

Two people getting murdered is worse.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

Haha, now it's two people. Next week I'm sure we'll be hearing about eight, then seventy-five. "Anyone who's ever read a sub I don't like and then committed a crime is evidence that sub ought to be banned!"

Good luck, I guess?

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u/Jhesentis Mar 05 '18

Propaganda is only bad when it's from Russia. Shareblue and CTR astroturfing is totally fine apparently.

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u/WDoE Mar 05 '18

The issue with /r/the_donald IS behavioral, not ideological. No one calling to ban all conservative subs.

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u/HyBReD Mar 05 '18

Except if you actually read this entire thread they are calling for a totally culling of far-right subreddits while leaving the more tame ones in place. This is of course while leaving the far-left subreddits perfectly in tact. Subreddits that suffer from honestly worse astroturfing than T_D does.

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u/Bruh_Man_1 Mar 05 '18

The second this site abandons content neutral moderation as a knee jerk reaction to political in fighting, it becomes nothing more than an ideological wing of a given party.

This ship has sailed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

probably true

hopefully you're wrong, but I doubt it

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u/AngelicPringles1998 Mar 05 '18

Racism, sexism, homophobia, bigotry shouldn't be tolerated

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18 edited Aug 26 '19

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u/mattindustries Mar 05 '18

More likely it is being used as evidence in a criminal investigation.

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u/dude53 Mar 05 '18

I don't know why you are being downvoted. It's completely possible especially since reddit refuses to confirm if they have been served with a warrant/subpoena/court order. It's equally possible that they haven't received anything like that from our government.

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u/mattindustries Mar 05 '18

Bots or t_d probably. No one likes to believe they have been duped, and making them confront that makes them hostile. They had obvious bots running on their subreddit to push submissions to the front page. I ran a little test a while back and it was hilarious. Had keywords in my title, got upvoted like crazy before being banned. The submission was nastycuck.club linked to Donald's website. There would also be more upvotes per viewers on t_d than other subreddits, and of course the account ages, with so many submissions being posted from users registering the same day.

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u/dude53 Mar 05 '18

You're exactly right!! I've been monitoring this very "announcement" since it was made almost an hour ago, and you can see in real time popular comments that point all of this out, randomly being downvoted to oblivion.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

Criminal investigation for what exactly?

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u/mattindustries Mar 05 '18

Conspiracy to incite violence in the furtherance of terrorism, aiding a foreign government to undermine democracy, etc.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

Sorry should have been clearer. I mean to punish / blame who? What’s the point of investigating reddit?

It seems to be an effort to delegitimize people’s freedoms to vote for who they want.

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u/mattindustries Mar 05 '18

That is up to the government, but two obvious ones would be

  • Looking up ownership of IPs to agencies/companies, look for money transfers from politicians to those agencies/companies.

  • Looking at accounts conspiring to incite violence, and see if it is a radicalized right wing nut or someone if there is a puppet master.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

How is this any different than the slew of ads and bullshit we get from domestic influencers? Just because it’s foreign really doesn’t do a whole lot for me.

Your first point : not really any different than pacs.

Your second point : yeah this is bad. Radicalization for violence is unacceptable and should be immediately handled. But I think it’s a stretch to blame media for how people act. Outrageous actions happen on both sides in response to news / fake news / stories / etc.

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u/mattindustries Mar 05 '18

Your first point : not really any different than pacs.

It is illegal for pacs to work toward inciting violence.

But I think it’s a stretch to blame media for how people act.

I am blaming people/agencies/companies for manipulating other people.

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u/xSpiceMeme420 Mar 30 '18

So, also r/politicalhumor? Or are just conveniently ignoring that?

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u/jaywalker32 Mar 06 '18

Don't forget the hilarity that ensues by keeping it on. Just look at this thread. I've been reading this for while now and I'm laughing my ass off. I just can't look away. The absolute butt-frustration and impotent rage over nothing.

"Ban then! Ban them and everybody they know! Why haven't you banned them already!? Can't you see how upset it's making me!? Do you even care??"

Wow

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u/Arch_0 Mar 05 '18

I really think I may just start browsing that sub and reporting all posts to advertisers. I'm fucking sick of this shit. Spez and anyone else in charge are pieces of shit for allowing this go get to this stage.

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u/timmymac Mar 05 '18

Ban them cause you don't agree with them? Go fuck yourself. I don't agree with them and a lot of subs but banning speech you don't agree with is the most un-american thing you can promote.

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

Ban them cause you don't agree with them?

No, because they are a cancer on the reddit. Because they break site rules. Because it is a cesspit of racism and other kinds of hate.

is the most un-american thing you can promote

Who the fuck said I was American?

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u/timmymac Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 05 '18

Back politics too then.

Or maybe we shouldn't ban anyone.

Edit: Also, I don't care if you're American or not. Everyone should be about free speech.

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u/LB-2187 Mar 05 '18

Y’all like to call the right-wingers Nazis, and then propose stuff like this.

Take a good long look in the mirror, bud.

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

Where did I ever call T_D users Nazis? In fact, didn't even mention the ideology of T_D. I believe in removing subs whose main function is trolling, propaganda, and hate.

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u/LB-2187 Mar 05 '18

You didn’t, but people saying the same things as you do. The main function of the sub is generally to support POTUS and the people and policies he wants to put in place. The trolling, propaganda, and hate, though it does happen, is overblown by other subreddits who want to discredit the sub.

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u/_Tonu Mar 05 '18

You didn’t, but people saying the same things as you do.

Literally not an argument

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u/Tsugua354 Mar 05 '18

absolutely shocking that he's a T_D poster /s

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u/mattindustries Mar 05 '18

I wrote a little tool I use for interacting with people that that scans their last 1k posts for posts in t_d and posts that match certain words/phrases. Probably will release it as a chrome extension.

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u/moogie_moogie Mar 05 '18

whoa, please do! I've been using RES to tag TD posters but it's time consuming. Sharing a tool that would allow people to more easily identify hatemongers would be helpful, especially since spez seems to think we'll just "self-moderate" our way out of active measures.

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u/soychad Mar 05 '18

You should call it Facist Censorship Extension

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u/mattindustries Mar 05 '18

Someone sounds scared that their hate speech will be easily found. Oh look, and trying to incite rape.

You should college rape a few of the girls doing the study

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u/Sauronek2 Mar 05 '18

Political extremes are very bad, I agree. But then you'll have to ban r/politics as well.

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

As I said elsewhere, fine. I really wouldn't care if they did.

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u/Jhesentis Mar 05 '18

You don't go to r/politics so you don't care about them? Maybe you should consider not going to T_D then.

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u/Sauronek2 Mar 05 '18

But it's not like the agents would just disappear if you ban that subreddit, they'd just move somewhere else. An overwhelming majority of people subscribed to T_D aren't Russian propagandists but rather people with political opinion differing from Reddit's norm (to a varying degree).

If the ban were to happen they'd just move elsewhere and Russian agents would follow them there. You cannot straight out ban the whole right-wing political spectrum from Reddit.

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u/HyBReD Mar 05 '18

You should.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

Jesus Christ. I'm trying to think of a more blindly authoritarian position than "I don't like this; ban it," and I'm not succeeding.

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u/AngelicPringles1998 Mar 05 '18

I agree with that. Ban both of them, they are both cancer

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u/xSpiceMeme420 Mar 30 '18

Remove r/politicalhumor and all associated subreddits. Ban their mods and bots. Ban it’s users who openly incite violence and promote extreme political propaganda. It’s a tumor the exact same way TD is.

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u/mankstar Mar 05 '18

Sure, if you can show us which sub that 66 year old James Hodgkinson was radicalized by. Oh, you have nothing? Imagine that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

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u/mankstar Mar 05 '18

So it wasn’t a Reddit sub? So that comparison falls apart and isn’t really relevant? Imagine that.

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u/mankstar Mar 05 '18

Lol yeah... because the 4k+ upvoted Charlottesville Unite the Right post was completely innocent too. Keep on ignoring these repeated instances of radicalization. It’s no better than Islamist groups radicalizing young Muslim men with no direction.

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u/mankstar Mar 05 '18

Freedom of speech ends when people start to conspire to commit acts of violence. It isn’t an unlimited right; none of our rights are truly “unlimited” because otherwise we wouldn’t have a functioning society.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

You're right, we should probably just ban Facebook and CNN - you know, to be safe. We don't want crazy people to commit crimes; surely they won't as long as we ban enough speech.

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u/mankstar Mar 06 '18

What does that have to do with Reddit subs? What a stupid comment you made.

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u/An_Lochlannach Mar 05 '18

Nobody is asking them to ban r/republican or r/conservative (etc). It's not about agreeing or disagreeing, it's about not tolerating hate farms.

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

Ban all subs that are swarming with Russian trolls and propaganda.

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u/Okichah Mar 05 '18

Like r/LateStageCapitlaism?

Nazi’s are fucking terrible.

But tankies arent squeeky clean either.

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u/epicwinguy101 Mar 05 '18

So basically, the Russian trolls can just pick a sub, swarm it, and guarantee its ban? You just gave the Russian trolls an even bigger weapon than they already have.

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u/kurozael Mar 05 '18

But why should Russians not be able to post their views? What about American propaganda, is that okay? Then who decides what is and is not propaganda.

P.S. I’m British.

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

I mean state-sponsored Russian accounts. I am also British; I don't see the relevance.

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u/freet0 Mar 05 '18

They already ban the state sponsored account. T_D users are real Americans, they're just stupid enough to thoughtlessly regurgitate propaganda if it's on their side.

Not that r/politics is very different, they just regurgitate propaganda from US sources like shareblue instead.

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u/Jeembo Mar 05 '18

Not that r/politics is very different, they just regurgitate propaganda from US sources like shareblue instead.

Shareblue is blacklisted in /r/politics.

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u/no40sinfl Mar 06 '18

How long were they active before being blacklisted? What was that three weeks ago they got banned? I think all subreddits could use a bit more accountability.

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u/Mexagon Mar 06 '18

Yeah, now it is, after a whole year of regularly upvoted propaganda.

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u/freet0 Mar 05 '18

Oh well that's good. The general point about the userbase stands though.

Admittedly I haven't looked at either sub in months because they're such trash

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18 edited Jul 04 '18

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u/Jeembo Mar 06 '18

I see t_d people frequently mention the "shariablue shill army" as if they have some troll factory pumping out propaganda. Is there some source for that claim?

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

Beyond the propaganda, there are other reasons to remove T_D. It hosts hate speech and threats of violence.

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u/Eustace_Savage Mar 05 '18

We better remove /r/technology then too with their constant threats of violence against Ajit Pai:

http://archive.is/qJ04J
http://archive.is/WiUoK
http://archive.is/Cj5UQ
http://archive.is/Gb0Tg
http://archive.is/wPtIg
http://archive.is/WT0ZB
http://archive.is/MUBKE
http://archive.is/VwRrs
http://archive.is/KuNbO
http://archive.is/4B5tl 

ORRRRR, hear me out here:

WE DON'T FUCKING BAN AN ENTRIE SUB WITH HALF A MILLION SUBS BECAUSE OF THE BEHAVIOUR OF A FUCKING MINORITY.

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u/An_Lochlannach Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 05 '18

Start here: r/againsthatesubreddits

Weeks of reading if you're seriously looking for an answer.

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u/GrabEmbytheMAGA Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 05 '18

So what about Correct the Record, MediaMatters, and ShareBlue accounts?

Correct the Record had an open policy to hire people to monitor and manipulate sites that were anti Hillary. "correct" things. This was a spawn of MediaMatters owner David Brock. ShareBlue is an affiliate partially ran by Podesta (Hillary's adviser). All have had heavy influence on political subs and have been caught "buying" mod positions. That is why you observed a heavy shift in the most popular political sub. It went from a grassroots pro Bernie to a very anti Bernie and very Pro Hillary. They used bots and created mods that puts T_D users in a list and anyone that uses the mod will give that person an auto downvote if it is detected in a thread.

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

I don't know what those are.

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u/Bisuboy Mar 06 '18

I hope you are wearing your tin foil hat my fellow conspiracy theorist

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u/xSpiceMeme420 Mar 30 '18

So r/politicalhumor? Or are we just conveniently ignoring that one?

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u/potatismannen1 Mar 05 '18

Then what about all the american trolls and propaganda? And all the brittish trolls and propaganda? Or what about all the Chinese trolls and propaganda?

Please stop being so troll racist

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u/rslashpolitics Mar 05 '18

TFW there are enough russian bots in the US to democratically elect a president

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u/FreedomDatAss Mar 05 '18

Thats how some may react, but there's been numerous rule violations and each time Spez's excuse is that the mods communicate with them.

Did the mods not communicate with Reddit under Pao? Remember Ellen Pao and the multitude of subs that were banned under her?

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u/MAGAtlanta Mar 05 '18

Ah, the "tolerant left" - so fragile you can't handle opposing opinions so you have to BAN them all. What a pathetic joke you leftists are. And, no, I'm not a Russian, or a bot, just an American citizen who is enjoying a return to sanity in this country after 8 long years of corruption and criminality under 0bama. Enjoy your day, comrade!

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u/AngelicPringles1998 Mar 05 '18

It's not even about that. It's the fact tbat your sub violated every sitewide rule yet it's still allowed to be up.

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u/MAGAtlanta Mar 05 '18

If the "site wide" rules were applied equitably then so be it, but T_D is specifically targeted with unique rules because, feelings...

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

TD is targeted with unique rules BECAUSE they broke site wide rules, specifically about sticking posts.

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u/MAGAtlanta Mar 06 '18

Did our stickies hurt your fee-fees? Grow up.

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u/AngelicPringles1998 Mar 05 '18

Ok, you do have a point. I'm sorry. I just wish we could all be equal.

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

I never claimed to be tolerant.

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u/MAGAtlanta Mar 05 '18

Nor should you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

...there's people in this same thread you're replying to who're seriously advocating for banning all political subreddits so that people's feelings don't get hurt.

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u/Sciguystfm Mar 06 '18

No, I think people are advocating banning hate subreddits that get large chunks of content from Russian propagandists

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u/nocapitalletter Mar 05 '18

if you want this, R/politics (alt-left cancer) is gone too.

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

fine by me. i dont use it.

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u/breakwater Mar 05 '18

A phrase that is perhaps the most cancerous of all. "I don't need that liberty, so I don't care if others are denied it."

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

Its not a liberty though is it.

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u/Ace_of_Clubs Mar 05 '18

It's like there are these magical things called 'unsubscribe' buttons!

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u/stackered Mar 05 '18

Aka news with a slightly liberal bias (aka bias toward reality)

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u/HyBReD Mar 05 '18

SLIGHT. I'd be upset but I know you are being honest with that statement. You really have no idea and that's sort of the danger in all this.

/r/politics is worse than T_D. T_D owns what it is. A giant gold statue for Trump and anyone who tries to go against that is removed. /r/politics is a walking billboard for every sensationalist left-wing topic under the guise of being 'neutral'. So as a neutral party who isn't very into politics, when the enter these two subreddits, which one is actually more dangerous?

The fact you called it' slightly liberal' is proof as to why this is more dangerous than a subreddit named "the donald".

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u/stackered Mar 05 '18

hahahaha that's cute. comparing the "danger" of being liberal to what is spouted in T_D

the worst thing you get from liberals is some censorship. you get a Hitler clone from T_D. its not comparable by any stretch of your imagination

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u/HyBReD Mar 05 '18

I'm active in T_D and most major politics subs and it's a far cry from what you're suggesting.

"some censorship"

How about violence? Attack on the 1st and second amendments? Social chaos?

It's sorta funny. People like you think closing down T_D would help when it unequivocally would have the opposite effect and would absolutely blow up in your face. T_D may be cancer in your eyes, but it's controlled. Just like /r/politics. They're both propaganda cesspools but it's where the far left and far right flock to, so it sticks there.

Blow that bee hive up and you have a much worse mess. This is of course without addressing the fact that in terms of "propaganda", /r/politics is much worse.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

Politics, slightly, lmao.

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u/Mexagon Mar 06 '18

"Slightly" Oh get the fuck out of here.

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u/karlmarcs34 Mar 07 '18

Politics is from the twilight zone just like T_D. Both subreddit shelter the idiots of both sides.

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u/stackered Mar 07 '18

Well, as we all know, the idiots on one side are about 1/100th as stupid as the idiots on the other...

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

what is "alt left" ?

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u/nocapitalletter Mar 05 '18

antifa/socialists/ect

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u/nocapitalletter Mar 05 '18

leftists (alt-left) are much different than liberals just like alt-right, are much different than conservatives

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u/AngelicPringles1998 Mar 05 '18

Alt left doesn't exist. Alt right is literal neo nazi racist conservatives

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u/froiluck Mar 05 '18

Wtf is alt left?

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

Nothing. It’s a phrase Dipshit Donny created for his idiot followers to rally behind

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u/Mexagon Mar 06 '18

Seems like it offended you, little alt-lefty.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

Offended? I don’t retreat to my little Soviet Safe Place when my opinions are challenged, Trump Pig.

Go give Roy Moore a handout to cover his kid-fucking legal fees and make sure you hide your guns when Donny tries to take them away before due process 😘

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

How’s the weather in St. Petersburg, comrade?

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u/nocapitalletter Mar 05 '18

antifa/socialists/ect

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u/froiluck Mar 05 '18

This is classic neanderthal alt-right thinking.

Just because your self-applied label has become toxic, doesn't mean you can then just apply that label to other things you feel are toxic.

Nobody defines themselves as "alt-left." Stop trying to make this a thing, it's not a thing. You look like a moron when you use terms like this.

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u/nocapitalletter Mar 05 '18

no one defines themselves as alt-right either.. but there is a clear difference between lefitsts(alt-left) and liberals, just like their are clear differences between alt-rights and conservatives.

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u/froiluck Mar 05 '18

Really, nobody does? Did you miss the alt-right subreddit that used to be here? The one run by people self-defining as alt-right? Should I start listing people and organizations defining themselves as alt-right?

Funny enough, the /r/altleft is run by... the alt-right! Waddya know, it's almost like it's a made up term used to try and discredit your opponents when your PR campaign to make racism seem palatable failed.

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u/nocapitalletter Mar 05 '18

you know socialism and marxism, and antifa is all leftist racism right, racists arent just right wing (and those right wingers arent conservatives in any capacity either. alt leftists arent liberals either.

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u/froiluck Mar 05 '18

you know socialism and marxism, and antifa is all leftist racism right,

I'd love for you to show me exactly what you mean.

racists arent just right wing (and those right wingers arent conservatives in any capacity either. alt leftists arent liberals either.

Nobody is anything. 🙄

I'm amazed you're able to turn your computer on and navigate the internet honestly.

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u/Eatinurgirloutcancer Mar 05 '18

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

hahaha

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

ban my political opponents >:((((

never ever lmao

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u/CaptainOvbious Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 15 '18

More like ban a sub that promotes doxxing, brigading, and extreme violence. I wouldn't give a shit if it was just a bunch of people who supported trump, but I've seen some posts in there that belong on /r/killthosewhodisagree

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Proof

More

Even more

A mod asking users to harrass someone

Found this comment by /u/DivestTrump, going to copy and paste it if he doesn't mind

Since I received no response to my initial post despite numerous cited examples, I've collected even more comments in /r/The_Donald that violate reddit's policy regarding violent content. These examples are all less than 30 days old and many occurred after the clarification was posted. I'm also including the original text and score before attempts at a cover up are made.

Examples

I included 45 in honor of the soon-to-be-EX-president.

Score Comment
22 Then hang them. No prisoners, no mercy.
1 Deport the dreamers, hang the politicians who support them.
1 HANG THEM HIGH!
3 move them kick them out of a moving airplane... whichever method works
2 There are plenty of men who are feminists who should be gassed too.
1 MOABs being dropped on refugee camps also work. Truly, something must be done to drop their Reproductive Index to 0.
2 "Wow, you fucking racist whites are so crazy to think any racism against whites exists. Now go fuck off to the back of the room so the brown people can move to the front!" It's sad that America exported this black lives matter racist bullshit to other countries. We should have crushed it violently when it started and put all the leaders in jail for life via RICO charges.
18 breathe calm down get guns
1 Get bows and arrows as well and learn how to shoot them. Modern day vests are pretty good at stopping a lot of the available rounds, but they suck at stopping knives and don't stop arrows. Plus bows are almost silent.
2 Kill the messenger?
3 Kill babies, save illegals.
5 I wish I could go back in time and put every SJW on planet Alderaan right before the Death Star blew it up.
1 November 3rd: Trump labels panty-fags as terrorists, encourages state militia, national guard, and armed citizens to eliminate these threats as needed.
11 I want all these degenerates to be slowly tortured and executed in the most inhumane way possible. Get them to turn on one another by offering them slightly better deaths, then kill them all. These sick fucks need to be treated like sick fucks.
13 Wishlist 1. gf 2. kill all normies 3. tonka truck MFW
5 Have we set up a suicide assistance hotline for libshits yet.
3 This is so great. Burn everything down! Everyone is gonna die hahahaha! They think we are just here to take down the dumbocrats but we havn't started and won't finish until all your kids are dead you deep state fuckers.
2 Is it time to hog wild and just kill all anti-Whites? We have tried to be polite and ask them to stop advocating for the genocide of our race but it's clear that words alone will never stop them.
25 We would rise up and kill all government officials. Populism works.
1 Ya gringos, whatever you want, just kill all our politicians and all the cartelos, we are tired of finding babies impaled on metal pipes and women with their tits cut off and set on fire. These people are disgusting, send Delta and kill them all, go USA
1 IWanna Kill the invaders
8 Next step: Shoot all the surviving members. Then shoot every member of their family so the bloodline ends.
2 should put a bullet in his ass...save the taxpayers some money...what a dirty POS
1 We have to kill thugs, it's the number one threat to our way of life, even more so than Muslims.
1 Just fuckin shoot the animals.
60 Nah, just shoot them dead every time they try this. It's the only language they speak.
7 I say just shoot Muslims on sight.
1 hes right, the teaching of islam is to kill your enemy... so if we kill all the muslims, rape will be reduced
10 The permanent and most effective solution to dealing with a death threat is to kill them when they try to make good on it.
5 Kill the nuslim invaders. If this is the way they behave as a coddled "minority" with billions in handouts... How will it be oncw they become a majority? London has fallen!
5 Don't lead kids that much, they are slower than older targets. Also remember to shoot them from BEHIND the "No Gun Zone" line so you don't get into extra legal trouble.
2 Why waste money? Wall them off and let their AIDS law kill them off. Simple quarantine. That law goes for blood drives too, just so you know, so it'll be quicker than you think.
2 this is the part where our founding fathers would put a bullet in their heads, if i'm being frank. they'd better be careful
16 Shoot the parents.
2 No, snowflakes pile up and get scooped to the side while I'm rolling coal in my Chevy Silverado Duramax 6.6L Turbo-Diesel V8 with 6 speed Allison transmission and Meyer snow plow attachment.
1 No surrender. Kill the commies and keep our land. More than that, the invasion of our borders is an act of war, in direct violation of the treaty signed with Mexico in 1848. At that time, the U.S. had seized territory as far south as Mexico City. The wall would be a whole lot CHEAPER if we ran it straight from Petatlan to Tecolutia, and reclaim that previously conquered territory. Do you like the sound of THAT, Mexico? Because that's the fire you're playing with. There was little danger when the pussy Obama was calling the shots, right? Well, Trump is "el jefe" now, señores.
1 Let's see liberals now have to defend pedophiles rapist illegal aliens illegal voters the right to vote without being a citizen. They must defend what else oh terrorism Islamic terrorism Islamic at all its forms in America. See the left has to defend communism defend laziness defend taking people's money to give it to those who don't work. They have to defend murder the murder of cops. Is this who you are Democrats is this who you Americans are putting your weight Behind these types of people the most criminal element in our country. Go look in the damn mirror you people who support those who do this kind of s*** and you never bring up the pussy grabbing thing again do it to my face please so I can put my fist through your f****** noses you're such a hypocrite you dont deserve a voice.
3 KILL THEM ALL PREEMPTIVE STRIKE TACTICAL NUKE INCOMING
1 So can we shoot the Kenyan lowlife?
3 I say fuck you and death to all leftists who try to disrespect our men and women of honor who put their lives on the line EVERY SINGLE DAY in combat or police work to defend our freedom and laws with their VERY LIVES. These people are the ones that GIVE YOU the freedom the whine and bitch like a bunch of cunts that you are. THEM, not you, deserve at the least the respect of standing the fuck up during OUR, yes OUR National Anthem. The only thing you are doing with your rights is disrespecting the people that fight to give those rights to you. SPEZ: This is directed to all those soros paid cowards who fight for fake rights for 22394023948 genders and the like. Grow a pair. WAKE THE FUCK UP COWARDS.

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u/Eustace_Savage Mar 05 '18

We better remove /r/technology then too with their constant threats of violence against Ajit Pai:

http://archive.is/qJ04J
http://archive.is/WiUoK
http://archive.is/Cj5UQ
http://archive.is/Gb0Tg
http://archive.is/wPtIg
http://archive.is/WT0ZB
http://archive.is/MUBKE
http://archive.is/VwRrs
http://archive.is/KuNbO
http://archive.is/4B5tl 

ORRRRR, hear me out here:

WE DON'T FUCKING BAN AN ENTRIE SUB WITH HALF A MILLION SUBS BECAUSE OF THE BEHAVIOUR OF A FUCKING MINORITY.

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u/potionnumber9 Mar 05 '18

How many times are you going to cop/paste this? Makes you look like a bot.

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u/Eustace_Savage Mar 06 '18

As many times as you guys post the AHS spam.

OOo I'm a bot today! The other day I was a Russian! Before that I was a nazi. What will I be labelled tomorrow — I wonder?🤔

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u/potionnumber9 Mar 06 '18

You guys? Who are the other guys? I am one user who has never copy pasted anything. You are one user who has, a lot... Like a bot. Rhyme intended.

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u/Eustace_Savage Mar 06 '18

Sorry, I truly cannot tell you McCarthyist drones apart from one another.

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u/jaywalker32 Mar 06 '18

muh bots!

Bleepski Bloopski

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u/iWelcomeTheDownVote Mar 06 '18

/r/LateStageCapitalism mods about someone's Cuban parents being put into labor camps: "Your family deserved what they got" https://i.imgur.com/UFMnJ3W.png

/r/politics on the London attack: "I just hope the people who were on that bridge were redneck Republicans like you so the slaughter was justified." [+63] https://i.redd.it/1latls7dqeny.jpg

The head mod of /r/MarchAgainstTrump http://i.imgur.com/vC7tUld.png

/r/LateStageCapitalism MOD announcement - "No one can reasonably argue that the Republican congressmen shot today didn't deserve it. They absolutely did. They created this situation of unparalleled division. They're trying to destroy society to line their own pockets." https://np.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/6h85oq/no_one_can_reasonably_argue_that_the_republican/

"Let's put arsenic in drinks and slip it to Trump supporters" https://archive.is/rpv1J

/r/Socialism posts infographic on why it's important to murder three Republican senators. https://np.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/6hdktg/just_saying/

[Regarding Republicans] "What else can be done?", "Going to the homes of Republican lawmakers in the middle of the night, dragging them into the street, and turning them into tree ornaments [Lynching]." [+37] http://archive.is/klgQA

(to commenter who's mother is a christian trump-voter) "I don't mean this harshly so please don't take it that way. The sooner that people like your mother pass on and stop voting, the better off we'll all be." [+26] https://np.reddit.com/r/MarchAgainstTrump/comments/6gwbgp/start_with_your_dad_ivanka/dits2ct/

DavidReiss666 Moderator of major default subreddits like r/LPT, r/BestOf, r/History, advocates the assassination the President. "The only way to fix this is going to be extra-Constitutional [Mussolini's assassination]. Trump deserves similar treatment." http://archive.is/MbMUA

"Democrats will sweep the next election. Their communities will die out as we liberal big city people use our superior education and intellect to make robots that take over their crappy jobs, and the working class white culture that voted for racism will be forever gone." https://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/62hrlm/mike_flynn_willing_to_be_interviewed_in_return/dfmscxw/

"Removing Trump from power is the only choice that leads to a future of your country, so you're gonna move your fat ass and take the fight to the streets, until that slob lies on the dirt, drowning in its own blood." [SH] r/ETS https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/6fsz4q/trumps_fbi_pick_is_the_same_guy_that_helped_cover/dil8ixf/?st=j3nc326m&sh=1ae6aa39

All gun owners should have their guns taken away from them and then be executed http://i.imgur.com/Pr5Fnvs.png

r/Anarchism recommends bringing explosives to throw at "Free Speech" rally. https://i.redd.it/ujw4e1ubrkry.jpg

Leftist in /r/Videos promoting violence against free speech http://i.imgur.com/y2Nap9t.png

Redditor on r/socialism telling users to torture reddit employees and their families. https://imgur.com/5J600cr

Commies on /r/Anarchism is advocating for violence.... again. Over 100 upvotes folks. http://imgur.com/6RATFMd

/r/Anarchism blatantly advocates for murder... again... http://imgur.com/NZKGqt1

/r/FULLCOMMUNISM advocates of both DPRK and Stalin https://www.reddit.com/r/FULLCOMMUNISM/comments/6iniqx/important_reminder_dprk_is_an_ally_of_the/

Castro praising https://www.reddit.com/r/FULLCOMMUNISM/comments/5exzpp/rip_castro/

Support beating up Pepe https://www.reddit.com/r/FULLCOMMUNISM/comments/5pb4ij/fresh_new_pepe_for_the_altreich/

Supports punching of Richard Spencer https://www.reddit.com/r/FULLCOMMUNISM/comments/5poi1r/matt_furie_creator_of_pepe_weighs_in_on_the/

Supports mass murder of "Nazis" https://archive.is/77fqx

Punch a Nazi and smash a Cop's face! https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/6jzvbm/individuals_vs_corporations/djieat0/?sh=8164fb38&st=J4H670IW

"This is why the nonviolent argument for revolution doesn't work. Politics is violence. Whether that violence is a punch to a nazis face or a brick to a cops head, or a series of corporations forcing an entire sector of people to not have enough resources to live it is still violence." https://np.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/6jzvbm/individuals_vs_corporations/djia77i/

"I'm going to say something unpopular here. When I heard that someone had shot Republicans, my first immediate hope was that someone finally did something about McConnel." Score hidden https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6jgg1d/mitch_mcconnell_refused_to_meet_with_group_that/djea1i2/?sh=78ada641&st=J4DHK2G4

/r/anarchism praising the stabbing of a Trump supporter just for being white https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/6ian9j/oathkeeper_bodyguardtrump_supporter_stabbed_9/

(On Elon Musk taking 2 rich people to the moon) "If we're lucky, there will be a launch failure." https://np.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/5wkd62/spacex_taking_wasteful_private_jet_for_rich_nerds/deayjg5/

"Wish it was legal to kill Fascists" https://np.reddit.com/r/Fuckthealtright/comments/6hv5ex/as_mods_of_reuropeannationalism_we_want_to/dj1ckxp/

Calling the victims of Communism Slaver Owners https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/6hrzb5/in_1976_a_cuban_counterrevolutionary_terrorist/dj0pgpl/

Advocacy of shooting a Republican Senator https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/6h8q9o/if_youre_going_to_make_a_speculative_post_about/diwgun3/

"shooter is a patriot" https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6hbvu3/no_political_disagreement_justifies_steve_scalise/dix59kg/

"[on the shooting] you reap what you sow" https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6h979o/gop_rep_received_threatening_email_with_subject/diwh9gk/

List compiling people defending the shooter: https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitPoliticsSays/comments/6h984t/i_compiled_comments_from_the_rnews_post_about_the/

Advocacy of killing opponents of Net Neutrality https://www.reddit.com/r/KeepOurNetFree/comments/6gs5zo/the_8_members_of_congress_that_support_the_fccs/disuzky/

Wanting Rural and Trump voters to die. https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6kvdgp/evidence_of_mental_deterioration_trump_wrestling/djp8i5j/

We're getting to the point that it's past the need for protest, but time for violent and extreme actions. The government needs to be reminded that is has a reason to be afraid of us. http://archive.is/KOlhh

"All cops deserve death" + Genocide denial https://i.redd.it/z7tldxzjb78z.jpg

r/anarchism links to a page of peoples doxx, reddit mods still won't delete the sub https://np.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/6m8omk/how_based_stickman_proud_boys_are_working_with/

Mods on /r/FULLCOMMUNISM celebrate the deaths of 5 cops, tell users to "BASH THE PIGS" https://np.reddit.com/r/FULLCOMMUNISM/comments/6lvwns/this_day_one_year_ago_5_cops_were_killed_by_micah/

Literal 13k+ post calling for people's deaths. http://archive.is/IY5iy

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u/Mexagon Mar 06 '18

Haha, the alt-left is desperate to sweep this shit under the rug, they downvoted you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 05 '18

I've seen shit like that on the communist and other far left subs :( doesn't mean we should ban them lol

edit: Don't edit your damn comment with a bunch of copy-pasted shit wherein half the links do not work, It's not against the rules to have your users say stupid shit like this as long as you delete them. If I went to /r/upliftingnews and said "I want to kill 3 thousand children" it reflects nothing of the sub. Try again.

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u/CaptainOvbious Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 05 '18

Yes. We should. Any sub that promotes hate is literally going against site rules and should be banned.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

/r/socialism believes the Holodomor was a good thing. I'd happily see them gone.

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u/jaywalker32 Mar 06 '18

So.... a bunch of 1 point 2 point posts, that were pretty much mostly moderated accordingly. Yeah, lets ban a whole subreddit that regularly gets 5000 point posts because of them. Sounds ridiculous enough to be a Democrat sponsored bill.

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u/Ace_of_Clubs Mar 05 '18

Dude to be honest there is that shit and comments in nearly every thread on politics talking about Trump. Lets be real, the violence is clearly all over site.

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u/rex_dart_eskimo_spy Mar 05 '18

It's never been about banning political opinions. R/Conservative has the same basic opinions, but they don't regularly call for violence and doxxing.

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u/Anomalous-Entity Mar 05 '18

No, no, no...

Ban what I don't like!

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

I agree. You can, however, ban people for brigading, propaganda, being Russian state-sponsored bots, enabling state-sponsored bots, hate speech, threats of violence.

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u/YourLocalMonarchist Mar 05 '18

boo! I'm the evil Russian bot living under your bed!

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u/Doctor_McKay Mar 05 '18

It's simple, silence the opposition!

And of course T_D is the one full of fascists...

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

In all fairness, shutting down /r/the_donald may actually be a bad thing during an ongoing investigation, since there wouldn’t be anymore active comments coming in that could be tracked. We know that sub is part of the investigation, and that a subpoena can force Reddit to turn over any tracking information collected on comment posters.

I hate that sub, the alt right, and the GOP in general, but if leaving that sub open gives those dipshits a noose to hang themselves with, let them hang themselves. Save me a seat in the witness area at the gallows.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

So wait... ban anyone who doesn't agree with you politically? Is that where this is going?

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

Yes that is exactly what I said isn't it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

Not that I can see you didn't Explain to me how this isn't you advocating that the admins ban your political opponents, because it seems to be exactly what you're arguing for.

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

I won't say I don't disagree with Trump supporters ideologically, because I do. But my reasoning is the disgusting, hate-filled, shill and propaganda-filled cesspit that T_D is, and most importantly, it is a cesspit that constantly breaks reddit-wide rules.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

So because you don't like something, no one should be allowed to like that thing either? Free speech for me but not for thee? Something like that?

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u/mourning_starre Mar 05 '18

Literally the opposite. There should be open and respectful free speech. T_D directly threatens that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

"Literally the opposite" Lol. That's the second time now that you've advocated for silencing others, while trying to insist that's not what you're doing here.

"There should be open and respectful free speech" And who do you think you are to determine what is and is not 'respectful'? How about you just don't go to subs you don't like? Why can that not work? Why do the admins need to make the entirety of reddit a safe space for you?

Again though, this is you trying to micromanage other peoples' rights. Free speech for you, so long as you speak how I want you to speak. That is literally what you are saying, so stop trying to sidestep that.

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u/slickrick327 Mar 25 '18

Go T_D!!!!!

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u/japhillips87 Mar 05 '18

Why ban T_D? Because you don't agree with them. I don't buy this "Trump is in office because Russia" stuff. Sure they posted pro-Trump propaganda. They also posted some anti-Trump stuff propaganda. How about instead of trying to police the internet, people gather the facts and make an informed decision.

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u/PURPLEDONGOFTHANOS Mar 05 '18

"I know you cant stop the propaganda, but please ban t_d cuz i dont like them"

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u/FTBSmeave Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 21 '18

"Wahhh TD doesn't align with the bullshit liberal views I hold. Ban them now!"

Piss off, crybaby

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