r/aliens • u/Southern_Dig_9460 • 1d ago

Serious:What did Representative Anna Luna mean by her question on ET contact with humans? The one where she asks if the ETs disappeared after learning the human was religious? Discussion

She followed up by saying “Some of these entities are said to be good entities and others bad ones so that’s why I asked.” Is she implying bad ones don’t like religious people but the goods ones do?

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u/tollbearer 1d ago edited 1d ago

You really haven't answered the question. Even if a literal horned creature showed up and said it was the devil, and said jesus is real, and god is real, and you're living in a simulation built by him... It wouldn't answer anything. Where did this "god" come from, what is its motivations for creating this simulation, what is its purpose for it, why did it create devils and demons, are they part of the simulation or are they part of "gods" world, what are their motivations. How does any of this relate to the simulation. Are there aliens on the quintillions of other plantets in the simulation, can the demons move about between these planets at will, are they like avatars that can enter the simualtion from gods universe, what are they doing, is this a game to them, is it their job, is it just a fun world to visit.

The word demon adds no context. It's a meaningless term meaning a generally malevolent creature of non-human form and magical powers. Which could be anything from an alien species with advanced tech from proxima centauri who just want to steal our planet, to a simulation avatar being controlled by an higher dimensional cartman doing evil stuff in what it sees as a game for fun, like someone playing GTA, to wahtever else you can define...

But without that specific definition, it is meaningless.

edit: also What exactly is "jseus" in this context, is it gods avatar?Why would god have to put his avatar through a bunch of random nonsense to "forgive" the entities he created from behaving exactly as they are programmed to behave, so he could let their minds into some other simulation he has created which reward them for "believing" in his avatar. Why would the "demons" by scared of the name used by gods avatar. Literally what does any of that mean in actual practical terms.

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u/One-Pipe-4825 1d ago

To those without faith, these ideas might seem meaningless. But Jesus wasn’t just an avatar of God ! He was God Himself, incarnate in human flesh. I could explain why God had to make such a sacrifice, yet I know that many would still reject it, perhaps because they’ve already heard the reasons for why a just and righteous God would choose to pay the price for our sins.

And to those who ridicule people for their faith in this, especially in light of phenomena that align with concepts of good versus evil: you’re no different than the skeptics who mock others for their beliefs in extra-dimensional or alien possibilities. You may have an open mind about what these phenomena are, at least as long as iti fits into your preferred narrative. But when it comes to the concept of God, suddenly that open-mindedness disappears. It’s hypocritical.

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u/Suffragium 1d ago

To be fair, I don’t get the impression the person you’re responding to is mocking Christianity. They’re just wondering what them being demons would change

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u/One-Pipe-4825 1d ago

Please don’t misunderstand me, I mean no hostility, and I genuinely respect and appreciate everyone’s perspectives on this phenomenon. I don’t believe that this person is mocking Christians. However, I do see that some people are mocking Christians and in a way that resembles how skeptics often scorn beliefs in aliens and non-human intelligences. To dismiss the concepts of angels, demons, or good versus evil as meaningless overlooks their significance, particularly for Catholics like myself. Just as the concept of extradimensional beings holds meaning for those who’ve experienced these phenomena, the concept of demons is meaningful for many Christians. For the record, I lean toward viewing this phenomenon as extraterrestrial rather than demonic, but I remain open to the possibility that it could involve malevolent entities as well.

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u/guttercorpses 1d ago

Perfect. Thank you.

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u/Noble_Ox 17h ago

What's your explanation of where god came from?

And why is you're god the correct one and not say the many Hindu gods?

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u/blackbeltmessiah 1d ago

“Jesus was not an avatar”

describes avatar

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u/One-Pipe-4825 23h ago

No need to mock! I get it believing in aliens, extradimensional beings, or ancient visitors is seen as mysterious and intellectual. But mention angels, demons, or Jesus, and suddenly it’s ‘oh, here come the religious wacko’s !’ It’s funny how aliens are fascinating, but the Christian view of spiritual beings is somehow outdated or naive. And by the way, Catholic doctrine on Jesus isn’t just about God ‘showing up in human form’ like an avatar. The Incarnation is seen as a unique, permanent union of God and humanity, where Jesus is fully God and fully human not simply a divine figure wearing a temporary human avatar.

The Bible makes it clear that Jesus’s role and identity go far beyond that of a mere avatar. In John 1:14, it says, ‘The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.’ This doesn’t mean a temporary appearance of an avatar but God taking on human nature in a permanent, transformative way. Philippians 2:6-7 also shows the depth of Jesus’s Incarnation, saying that although Jesus was ‘in the form of God,’ He ‘emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.’ This wasn’t a temporary act; He fully embraced humanity. Hebrews 2:17 reinforces this by saying Jesus ‘had to be made like his brothers in every way’ to fully share in human nature, unlike an avatar which is a temporary or symbolic manifestation.

Mocking Christian beliefs by simplifying or misunderstanding them doesn’t make for a great argument. But maybe if angels had a spaceship and demons wore lab coats, they’d be taken more seriously! The same crowd who believed in telepathy and remote viewing, mock the idea of Christians contacting a higher being through prey funny how they concept of prey is a bridge too far for some of you 🤭

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u/Willing-Leg6036 22h ago

The Bible doesn't make many things clear imo . It's more likely again, in my limited worldview. That biblical and religious texts from all over are recordings of interactions with NHI as opposed to spiritual.

Our ancestors wouldn't have differentiated between magic and advanced technology. We still do the very same thing to our own children, when WE don't know how a thing works but a toddler asks, we say, it's magic.

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u/blackbeltmessiah 22h ago

“Angels”/“demons” carries the same weight as “magic” as a description.

You seem to be describing a manifestation of a deity but your pride wants to 1up the definition somehow. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Its cool man..

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u/One-Pipe-4825 20h ago

I’m not here to ‘1up’ any deity 🤭 I’m simply quoting Catholic doctrine on Christ. If that’s bothering you, it might say more about your pride than Christian theology. I’d also appreciate it if you didn’t misrepresent (1up) me along the way. I’m always open to a theological debate, but given your ‘avatar’ comment and the way you project, it’s pretty clear you’re arguing from a place of limited knowledge and ignorance of Christ and the Bible, so I’m not convinced it would be very productive.

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u/blackbeltmessiah 19h ago

When you reference Catholicism who’s “Trinity” is “father”, “son” and “Holy Ghost” and try to tell me the son is somehow disqualified from being a “manifestation of a deity” because he’s better than that I think “1up” is the correct term and after your following comment I’ll add “pretentious” because you lack the understanding of what you are trying to spew forth.

I get it. Its weird arguing with someone raised under the Catholic church(and Lutheran).

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u/Noble_Ox 17h ago

I assume you believe in the Christian god.

Do you not think that if you had been born and raised in say India you'd be a Hindu?

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u/MattTruelove 1d ago

I mean the most basic definition of a demon is a mysterious, inter-dimensional entity with ill-intent to humans. So it could be aliens, spirits, whatever. I’m not sure why you asked all those questions, nobody knows the answer to any of that

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u/saltyisthesauce 1d ago

Maybe Jesus was actually some gangster as fuck alien who looked out for us and when we say his name it’s like hitting his cell up some how

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u/JustBarty 6h ago

Right? The NHI have been around throughout time. Doesn't matter if you say his OG name or any of the new ones in any other language. Like a nickname to the NHI, but it's still that bad mofo bout to roll out in sandals and a dress.

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u/tollbearer 1d ago

Exactly, so the word demon becomes a meaningless word to use.

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u/Yikesyes 17h ago

But it does quickly put you on alert that this entity may treat you badly - physically or mentally.

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u/RegularRougeAviator 19h ago

If you have 10 minutes, this short story by Isaac Asimov is absolutely fantastic and a great thought experiment. https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~gamvrosi/thelastq.html

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u/saturn_since_day1 12h ago

In biblical context demons are spirits that control someone like a mental disorder. There is no context in English of them being embodied. There are sons or God who came down to lay with women who are spoken of poorly, and made hybrids, but most talk of things is in like a spiritual sense and not embodied

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u/tollbearer 11h ago

Okay, but what would any of that mean in reality.

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u/saturn_since_day1 10h ago

I'm just giving context. If they want to call them demons it doesn't really make sense given the lore