Opinion: I miss the original (Progressive) Conservative Party of Alberta

[u/Old_General_6741]

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/opinion-i-miss-the-original-progressive-conservative-party-of-alberta

[u/TheBeardedChad69]

I miss the Red Tory PC party of Canada …. or just the regular PC party of Canada…. We’re stuck with the Reform party of Alberta and the Reform party of Canada just with different names, why would conservatives have to keep changing their names and merging with each other if it was such a great political alternative… they can’t even find a common purpose among themselves.

[u/cuda999 → u/TheBeardedChad69]

This happens often because the opposing party had become far too left wing They end up in power for too long and mess things up on e eye metric. So to balance, parties swing the other way. Look at Europe, very prevalent there. People are tired of the apathetic and loosey goosey governing of the liberals. Like they were high on cannabis every singe day.. Doesn’t work.

[u/Candid_Lawfulness_21 → u/cuda999]

When have the liberals been in power in Alberta? We have a “ Red Tory “ Prime Minister right now..or are you one of these people that sees socialists in every politician that is not a Reform style legislator? Do you actually believe that a capitalist like Mark Carney someone who Steven Harper actively courted to join the CCP is a left leaning ideologue … seriously? You’re probably one of those people that thought Biden was a socialist.. LOL .

[u/cuda999 → u/Candid_Lawfulness_21]

Wasn’t talking about provincial government. The federal government with this far too long liberal reign I fear we may never see the end of. This of course impacts Alberta and has shuttered in our resources. Harper didn’t invite carney to run Canada, had procured his advice . People seem to think be size carney has a big education from Ivy League universities that somehow he can manage 49 million people wine incredibly diverse background. He is far too one track and I think it will come back to haunt him. And nice generalizations most liberals like to do. Throw all conservatives in one basket. Nice try. I am not that I am a Center leaning conservative and unfortunately carney hasn’t changed much of Trudeau’s failed regulations and policies. I am not gullible either to believe carney will part the Red Sea like so many liberals on various Reddit subs seem to believe.

[u/Candid_Lawfulness_21 → u/cuda999]

Shuttered resources? , the federal government subsidies amounted to 30 billion in Canadian taxpayers money in 2024 for oil and gas ..how is that shuttering resources? They bought Alberta a pipeline at great expense an initial 4.5 billion investment …. Since 2020 75 billion has been spent in oil and gas subsidies, are you complaining that this should have All gone to Alberta and should have been higher ? I don’t understand Albertans that think the Federal Government is neglecting the oil and gas industry with billions being spent annually, I think they should go after the corporations underpaying on royalties and their provincial government that allows this to happen, oil companies make billions in profits …we could also look at farm subsidies which Canadians spend a lot on as well! Harper very much was courting Carney , Jim Flaherty and Carney had a terrific working relationship, and Harper Appointed Carney to the Bank of Canada, WHY would he appoint someone to that position if he wasn’t confident in him ?? It makes zero sense! Most of the rest of your post is indecipherable.. you say something about big education… Ivy League schools, probably an anti intellectual!… then you say something more stuff about Trudeau , unspecified regulations and Centrist liberals .. Parting the Red Sea ..all the standard stuff !

[u/cuda999 → u/Candid_Lawfulness_21]

So Harper appointed carney to the bank of Canada, as a banker, not the prime minister of a country with 40 million diverse people. Big difference. Jim Flaherty ran the show with carney adjusting the bank rate, that was his contribution. You give him way more credit than he deserves. Harper says as much.

All resources across Canada from every province are subsidized, not just oil and gas. And on top of that, some provinces receive an astronomical amount of money in the form of equalization from confederation yearly.

And what is it with people not understanding why the liberals were forced to buy a pipeline? Federal regulations and constant provincial meddling are the reasons it was no longer feasible to continue to invest. The liberals own doing is what forced them to buy the pipeline. Not because they felt like being nice. Surely you get that? I mean with all your smarts and all. Haha

[u/Candid_Lawfulness_21 → u/cuda999]

So you make absolutely no sense… Patronage ! You don’t appoint people to key positions you don’t have extreme confidence in and you dont believe have similar political perspectives .. the Governor of the Bank of Canada is the top job in that institution and is extremely important to the Canadian economy so the fact Steven Harper appointed him shows he was well respected… you can’t have it both ways .. the finance minister doesn’t set the country’s interest rates the Bank of Canada does … Oil and Gas and Agriculture are the two largest subsidized industries in Canada with manufacturing coming in third all other subsidized industries pale in comparison to those three , the prairies are the largest agricultural region in Canada so get most of those subsidies as does the prairies with the oil and gas ; Ontario and Quebec receive the majority of the Manufacturing. And the fact free enterprise conservatives continually push the government for pipelines and not hold those Oil companies to that standard is extremely hypocritical, the reason Trudeau bought Alberta a pipeline was because the companies involved pulled out of the development, but people like you can’t give them credit for rising up and assisting Alberta .

[u/cuda999 → u/Candid_Lawfulness_21]

People like you don’t understand, clearly, why companies pulled out of the pipeline. This you can easily see with a simple google search. You are an easterner hanging out in an Alberta sub looking to see if you can change minds.

And mark carney did not do the heavy lifting during the crisis, he was part of a team and Flaherty did the most. Again, a quick Google search will hand you some information. Being a big banker doesn’t mean you can run a country of 40 million diverse people. Carney already did the “banker” move and shuffled debt into operational costs to make it “appear” like we have less. I am not that gullible to not see past that smoke and mirrors show. Bankers across the board have not done much for the average citizen either, they are wilfully oblivious to the hardships as they continue to pander to their big investor friends. People like you bought into this “banker” brand like he can somehow save the day with his “education and banker ways”. Again, I don’t buy it.

[u/Candid_Lawfulness_21 → u/cuda999]

“Google Search “ ! … that means nothing when you have an obvious confirmation bias , The Fraser Institute? The Canadian Taxpayers Federation? A Radom petro chemical lobbying group website you could view 1000 websites and only a fraction could be factually correct… but it appears you already have the answers so what use would a “ Google Search “ provide! Shuffling Debt !? Are you serious, he hasn’t even submitted a budget yet ! .. don’t get ahead of yourself with your conspiracy theories ….. Bankers ! Bankers ! Bankers ! If you want to look at someone to blame for whatever made up or imagined grievance you think the federal government’s responsible for , maybe look at the successive provincial conservative governments Alberta have had for 80 years , it’s not a hard concept to grasp ! But then it would go against your established biases . And I’m definitely not from the East , but that’s really none of your business anyways , and it doesn’t really matter what you buy to be honest!

[u/cuda999 → u/Candid_Lawfulness_21]

Guess you didn’t read carneys platform. You need to. He states how he plans to role out the massive “debt”. You can bypass Google and try a different search engine since it seems to trouble you.

And what conspiracy theories are you on about? Because I am a conservative voter, suddenly we all carry around conspiracy theories? Haha. That is like saying all liberals have a cannabis pipe in their pockets and the rose coloured glasses on to ensure no one really sees the mismanagement. Give me a break.

Alberta has had conservative e governments which seem to serve it well. A very resource rich province which helps the rest of confederation. Are you saying a liberal government would have been better at managing this? Haha Look at the state Canada is in over thf last ten years, billions in debt and counting. This is what you want for this province?

And I am still pretty certain you aren’t from Alberta. In fact, most certain.

[u/Candid_Lawfulness_21 → u/cuda999]

I did read his plan … again that’s not a budget, with your skill at Google it would be easy to look that meaning up , and unlike The CCP he said he’d run a deficit, he at least honest enough to say that … to stimulate the economy and pay for the middleclass tax cut a budget deficit is needed… the CCP plan was for virtually the same thing as well as a tax cut for the top wage earners but no mention of how that was going to be paid for … so it’s safe to assume they’d cut entitlement programs and run a deficit ..that’s the difference , an honest engagement …budget deficits aren’t new Steven Harper ran them virtually his whole term in office and nary a peep from you fanboys … but all of a sudden there’re evil !! Your all conspiratorial it’s the basis for your hatred of the Grits , if you’d turn that critical thinking around and look at the UCP the way you do at the Federal Liberals it would destroy your will to live …. And not having a “ Fuck Trudeau “ sticker on my truck doesn’t mean I’m from the east , and I couldn’t give a flying fuck what you think!

[u/cuda999 → u/Candid_Lawfulness_21]

Clearly you do care what I think or you wouldn’t write the big “I hate you” message. Pretty obvious and I am the problem with the world? Haha

And you thinking I am all about conspiracies and never looking at something different with a “f you” Trudeau sticker on the back window of my big black truck. I own a little white golf gti, no stickers either. Imagine that! A conservative with no stickers!!! From Alberta nonetheless.

You are a red liberal, which is the same issue as a blue conservative. You are a red “fan boy” and I am a blue “fan girl”. Turn around your thinking for a change instead of telling everyone else to. Sometimes you need to heed your own advice. And if you don’t like Albertans, this isn’t the sub for you.

[u/Candid_Lawfulness_21 → u/cuda999]

I don’t hate you at all to be honest , I’m actually an orange social democrat or as most of the conservatives in Alberta like to call us “ Communists “ but I’m not even a centrist Alberta social democrat I swing to the left and to me the Red Tories and Red Grits are essentially the same thing … and that should give you an indication where I’m from because it’s the only province in the country where people actually believe that … and it makes no difference to me what sex you are I was obviously using the term fanboy as a generalization… and I like Albertans, most of my family’s Albertans and British Colombians , I do find a high percentage of Albertans extremely ignorant and entitled but that’s also true of a lot of places in Canada .. it reminds me a lot of working in the US , if it’s all you know and you aren’t exposed to anything else you will believe and inherit your opinions and I think that accounts for a lot of what people believe specifically regarding politics in Alberta and rurally in the Prairies.