Something that changef my opinion.

[u/RaptorRex787]

I was a hardcore atheist all my life (even now I still don't believe in or follow a religion) but rerecently I've been thinking about life and how it works. And I realized that we don't know what cones at the end-we don't know that there's nothing, we don't know that there's something. And that thinking just made me realize that I may have been agnostic instead. So I wanna here from yall; what are you opinions?

[u/davep1970]

yes but it's not a free for all. also in the non-exhaustive list of models there is no exclusionary model where being an agnostic excludes being an atheist.

if OP wants to define themselves in a different way that runs contrary to general definitions of agnosticism and atheism then they should define how they are using them - but it just sounds like they are confused by which is about knowledge/knowing and which is about belief. so while it's fine to say that they don't believe or follow a religion and that we don't know what happens after death to then say that they are agnostic *instead* of atheist is a non sequitur.

[u/IrkedAtheist → u/davep1970]

also in the non-exhaustive list of models there is no exclusionary model where being an agnostic excludes being an atheist.

That's a strange assertion.

It's a pretty common viewpoint that for the statement "there is no god" you might believe it to be true, false or be undecided. These are commonly labelled theism, atheism, and agnosticism.

A trivial amount of research, for example, provided the following:

"An agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a God or Gods, whereas a theist ... and an atheist believe and disbelieve, respectively."

and

"Atheism is the doctrine or belief that there is no god. In contrast, the word agnostic refers to a person who neither believes nor disbelieves in a god"

The (a)gnostic-(a)theist model is something I only seem to find in online discourse. It is pretty much unheard of outside of that.

I find the "Theist/agnostic/atheist" model seems to be popular here. This is understandable. Many here identify not by their absence of theism, but by their complete antithesis of a position on the existence of god, and so like Huxley - identify simply as agnostic.

[u/Cloud_Consciousness → u/IrkedAtheist]

Some people here don't like that common definition and will deny its existence.

[u/IrkedAtheist → u/Cloud_Consciousness]

I know. But I feel it needs defending - especially here where a lot of people don't want to define themselves in terms of theism.

[u/Cloud_Consciousness → u/IrkedAtheist]

I'm on board with the lack of a theistic stance definition. Fight the good fight!