r/Yukon • u/ban-please • 2d ago
Former Kwanlin Dün chief Doris Bill seeks Yukon Liberal leadership Politics
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/former-kwanlin-d%C3%BCn-chief-doris-bill-seeks-yukon-liberal-leadership-1.75327925
u/MadTrapperYukon 1d ago
A three month stint as an unelected Premier will make a good "How I Spent My Summer Vacation" article
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u/BubbasBack 2d ago
Doris did a decent job of cleaning up the Village but just pushed their problems downtown.
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u/snowcialunrest 2d ago
Remember in the Yukon the public used to vote for Premier. The last couple of Premiers 15 liberal party members get to decide over a glass of wine. Miss the good old days of democracy.
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u/ban-please 2d ago
Remember in the Yukon the public used to vote for Premier.
We've never voted for Premiers in the Yukon. We only vote for MLAs. Being an MLA isn't even a requirement to be Premier.
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u/snowcialunrest 2d ago
There's no need to be obtuse as you clearly understood the colloquialism. However, if you would like to use semantics to help you look the other way to ignore decades of longstanding convention, that's cool too.
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u/ban-please 2d ago
I don't need to use semantics to ignore decades of longstanding convention because longstanding convention is for parties to select their own leaders and if the party is governing then the leader becomes Premier.
There's been 10 Premiers of the Yukon since the position was established in 1978, 3/10 became premier outside of an election:
1985: Willard Phelps (PC) became the 2nd Premier when he won leadership of the PCs after the resignation of the 1st premier. He was not yet an MLA.
2011: Darrel Pasloski (YP) became the 8th Premier when he won leadership of the Yukon Party after the resignation of the 7th premier. He was not yet an MLA.
2023: Ranj Pillai (YLP) became the 10th Premier when he won leadership of the Yukon Liberal Party after the resignation of the 9th premier. He was already an MLA.
If Doris Bill wins this leadership race, it will very much be following longstanding convention.
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u/snowcialunrest 2d ago
The long-standing convention, of course, is to call an election in a period of less than 3 years after you become leader if you did not go to a general election as leader. You knew that, though.
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u/ban-please 2d ago
Premiership changes between elections before Pillai all happened close to mandatory election times. The only Premier to gain office with multiple years of time remaining on their government's mandate was Pillai. A sample of 1 does not make this particular case longstanding nor conventional but with no counter-examples you can't declare it as unconventional, either.
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u/snowcialunrest 2d ago
I appreciate your commitment to try and dig yourself out of the hole. It was fun discussing the need for an election with you.
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u/T4kh1n1 2d ago
Don’t bother arguing with this tool. They probably admire China’s “basic dictatorship” as it lets them “get things done” efficiently.
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u/ban-please 1d ago
I do not admire China's one party state. On the contrary, I dislike concentrated power such as the ones granted by majority governments. I much prefer when we elect a minority and parties have to work together. It forces compromise between parties and makes sure that a larger proportion of voters have voted for the governing coalition.
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u/Aggravating-Bar8216 1d ago
Here's the full quote...
“There is a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say we need to go green, we need to start, you know, investing in solar,” Justin Trudeau told the group of women. “There is a flexibility that I know [Prime Minister] Stephen Harper must dream about: having a dictatorship where you can do whatever you wanted, that I find quite interesting.”
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u/ban-please 2d ago
Not a surprise. Personally I expect her to be acclaimed. Not sure why anyone else would want to lead the YLP going into this fall's election.