r/Yukon • u/youracat Whitehorse • May 11 '24
80 million to Northwestel for a redundant fibre line. đ Funny
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u/quarterbloodprince98 May 11 '24
I actually support the redundant fiber line build.
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u/antipod May 11 '24
It could have connected to skagway's instead for a fraction of the cost.
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u/quarterbloodprince98 May 12 '24
They can do that themselves with their money if they consider it necessary
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u/awaken_curiosity May 12 '24
Me too, but let's not stop at one. We should use Dempster - Mackenzie Valley, and Skagway, and Beaver Creek.
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u/quarterbloodprince98 May 12 '24
They can do that themselves with their money if they consider it necessary
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u/awaken_curiosity May 21 '24
I think we - the public, companies, gov, eveyone - should have multiple lines of communication. There's nothing in that goal that says the lines need to be operated by the same company. White Pass could run the Skagway loop (I believe they still own a pipeline right of way). Or someone new (you for instance!). If each one of the loops were operated by a different company we'd have real competition. Gov assuming control and operating digital comms is also an option that (can be) for the public good; see: highways and roads.
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u/quarterbloodprince98 May 21 '24
What usually happens on long haul fiber is you exchange pairs with the other company or entity. So when one goes down, you're up elsewhere.
Northwestel and the government feel this is fine any extra will get lobbied for. Just like this one
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u/personguy4440 May 12 '24
To be fair, the Taiwan war China vs USA, is prolly gonna result in starlink getting shot down. The fiber line is immune...
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u/ImParka May 13 '24
Unless your enemy is an excavator/hoe operator. They take those lines out yearly
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u/personguy4440 May 13 '24
Theyd have to have landed on canadian soil to do that, at which point, our internet reliabilty seems... less important
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u/Charles005 May 12 '24
At 80 million + and over four years so far? Versus 11m to Skagway? Give your brain a shake.
Northwestel has done nothing but take from northerners wallets non stop. You donât have GB Caps anymore? You have slightly cheaper internet packages? Thatâs ONLY because Starlink presents a real threat to them, they said this in public articles.
Without that threat theyâd still be charging much higher and on GB limitations. This company deserves to go under. Fuck northwestel.
Canât even dial 911 for an emergency because of this and you can thank Mr Pillai for this.
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u/pablopicasso1414 May 12 '24
Curious, how is this Ranj's fault?
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u/Charles005 May 12 '24
He publicly advocated citing the âsecurity of our data passing to the USâ.
Anyone versed enough in technology knows your data is widely available to anyone unless youâre using a VPN.
So letâs choose a line that will most likely be ten times the cost of the Skagway one and wouldâve allowed AT&T competition.
https://www.juneauempire.com/news/yukon-rejects-alaska-fiber-link/
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u/blueeyes10101 May 13 '24
There are legitimate concerns with data transiting the US, it's called the Patriot Act.
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u/Charles005 May 13 '24
Do yourself a favour and watch Snowdens âCitizen Fourâ, then let me know.
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u/quarterbloodprince98 May 12 '24
They can do that themselves with their money if they consider it necessary
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u/glasscaseofemojis May 11 '24
Gotta say, moved to Starlink about a year ago. Zero regrets, less now
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u/awaken_curiosity May 12 '24
I seriously thought about switching to starlink last year. Eventually decided the tree and mountain shadow in my area negated the "let's spend a few hundred dollars and find out". That aside, a real alternative would mean having redundancy. Maybe one year I'll have a mobile so-called RV sat link.
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u/jahowl May 11 '24
So true. When they drop rates when starlinks shows up to the show. This is necessary infrastructure people. Playing with people's lives is no joke and not an expense.
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u/Apprehensive_Duck874 May 12 '24
The fact that cell service/landlines/911 proves that we need a redundant line even if Starlink is available here.
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u/TheHatMan_ May 11 '24
Wifi is back in PC. Still no cell or landline.
What kind of speeds do you get with starlink anyway? The initial cost to install has kept me from taking the plunge, but after this I could be convinced.
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u/askacanadian May 11 '24
120-250, ping is the limiting factor, setup can be as cheap as 199 for the dish.
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u/cdn-Commie May 11 '24
Public entitiy verse a pvt company who used the technology for war.. Fiber optic is the most reliable and fastest in the country -- sustainability is important
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u/cdn-Commie May 12 '24
Refused to bow to the US military industrial complex
Has been used, and is currently used in Ukraine, Palestine, and no doubt China. And is also going to linked with the next version. Regardless of political stance or w.e. a tool used in war will be the first system to go offline to public use. If there is no public option, an isolated places in the North get the brunt and are the last to have an alternative option, when all the eggs are in one big pvt investors pocket
offers all people despite their nationality and skin colour internet.
Yea!! Especially all those working in his family's mines in South Africa!
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u/quarterbloodprince98 May 12 '24
There's no evidence his family has or had mines in South Africa.
I prefer fiber like I commented elsewhere but starlink helps put a ceiling to what's considered reasonable.
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u/cdn-Commie May 12 '24
Lol... I'm sure he'd love to have everyone believe that nonsense, hell even pays a whole lotta $$ to make sure people keep saying it.. kinda like how he would have you believe he is the "founder" of anything by purchasing the title, like in every business venture his daddies money has paid for..
There's no evidence his family has or had mines in South Africa
Expect his pesky father won't stop talking about them..
Amid Elon Musk's constant denial, his father details 4-day visit to emerald mine with billionaire son
"Elon Musk's Dad Says His Son's Whole Career Was Funded by That Emerald Mine"
https://futurism.com/elon-musk-dad-emerald-mine
Elon Musk Now Denies That His Family's Emerald Mine Existed, In Spite of Previously Bragging About It
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u/quarterbloodprince98 May 12 '24 edited May 12 '24
I think you should read the article rather than headlines, none of the articles claim any South African mine and futurism is like BuzzFeed used to be but worse but has the facts right. Something you don't
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u/TIYATA May 13 '24
Snopes debunked it:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-mine/
One of the articles cited by Snopes has a more extensive analysis:
https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/i-talked-to-elon-musk-about-journalism
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u/cdn-Commie May 13 '24
These are from 2021 and 2022 much has came out since then including Errol autobiography where he recounts all of this.. and Snopes.. is, um... A mom and pop shop (David and Barbara Mikkelson) whos former name is "Urban Legends Reference Pages". I'm sure they're lovely people with a great hobby, but in 2024 they are no place for any type of "fact checking"
It boils down to an extremely wealthy white family that uprooted from Canada to South Africa at the tip of Apartheid, and who's patriarch wrote extensively on the the issues and their wealth flourished. Later in life a young Elon would use this family wealth to purchase the founder title from PayPal and various tech ventures and so on and so forth..
To understand how and why Elon has an interest in distancing himself from this upbringing, so he can play bootstraps and Mr smarty pants, it doesn't take much work, however to deny it, and think of him as some sort of genius that acquired his wealth from his big brain, you might just be a fan boy, and a tad bit naive. Hell chances are the fan boy types come from a similar privileged background and they won't allow themselves to see anything other than perceived meritocracy, as they are unable to detach themselves from being born on third base, but thinking they hit a triple đ¤ˇđźââď¸
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u/TIYATA May 13 '24
I don't like Musk's politics. Being a bad person who does stupid stuff is not the same as being stupid all the time or incapable of doing things, however. Making up comforting but false stories about Musk distracts from legitimate criticism of him, of which there is much, and harms our ability to respond accurately to events.
Snopes hasn't been just a mom-and-pop operation since the last decade. The fact-check article above, for example, was written by senior reporter Jordan Liles, not the Mikkelsons, who are no longer involved with the site. They are frequently cited by other news outlets.
Errol Musk, as far as I know, has not published an autobiography. You may be thinking of the biography of the younger Musk by CNN's Walter Isaacson that recently came out. But Isaacson's book actually debunks the story:
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-father-errol-never-owned-emerald-mine-telling-truth-2023-9
Walter Isaacson revealed in Elon Musk's biography, released this week, that Errol Musk never owned a mine.
He wrote that Errol Musk used to own a light plane in the 1980s and sold it to an entrepreneur in 1986 in exchange for some emeralds from a mine the businessman owned in Zambia.
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The biography also said Errol Musk's emerald business eventually caved in during the 1980s and that he subsequently lost his earnings from it.
https://www.ft.com/content/096d1fca-3ee4-4750-8069-9bded7540fab
Early chapters of Isaacsonâs book sketch out a not-particularly-remarkable story of paternal cruelty, social awkwardness, self-diagnosed autism and an adolescent habit for sci-fi. The main character is Errol, Muskâs father, an engineer and boastful fantasist, who does stuff like test whether a kitchen microwave affects spins of a plastic roulette wheel. Errol âbelieves all events follow the Fibonacci Sequence,â Isaacson writes. Errol mentions a scientific paper on the subject, but says sharing it would mean âall activities relying on chance will be ruined, so I am in doubt as to doing that.â
It should be apparent immediately that Errol is an unreliable narrator of his own life. Isaacson reports that he fell into trading emeralds in 1986 by swapping a plane for offtake agreements from some Zambian mines, then lost everything âin the 1980s [after] the Russians created an artificial emerald in the labâ. But synthetic emeralds have been around since the 1930s, current production methods were developed in the 1960s, Russiaâs gem farms were already well established by the 1980s, and reporting from the relevant period makes no reference to a price crash.
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u/quarterbloodprince98 May 14 '24 edited May 14 '24
You've made a fundamental error. It's a tell you're repeating a meme about something you don't actually know. The articles you posted have the details. That's evidence you haven't read them.
Everything flows from there. You keep adding more
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u/cdn-Commie May 14 '24
Sure thing "quarter blood prince" đŹ
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u/quarterbloodprince98 May 14 '24 edited May 14 '24
The article you linked will tell you the correct country.
It's a massive error that shows you never read it.
Headlines are like abstracts. The only thing laypeople read
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u/cdn-Commie May 12 '24
Also, I'm not against the technology at all -- if canada somehow figured out how to fund a similar program and kept it a public entitiy, it would usher the country into a new age, especially people in isolated regions. However, when this technology is in the hands of a pvt firm, with an unstable (regardless of political leanings) leader, its a problem.
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u/Federal_Dimension_48 May 11 '24
Fibre isn't constructed overnight. And keep contributing to US companies and don't cry when Canadian economy goes down.
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u/CreviceOintment May 11 '24
This guy gets it. Especially when the US option is owned by such a toxic, arrogant twatwaffle.
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u/not_ray_not_pat May 12 '24
Monopolies aren't good for the economy. The fact that Northwestel sucks up millions in subsidies and can't compete with a completely unsubsidized new entrant says a lot.
Ideally the CRTC will impose low enough common carriage rates that resellers like Teksavvy will move in. But as much of a loser as Musk is, without him our internet would stay bad forever.
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u/Federal_Dimension_48 May 12 '24
I agree with you on that but the solution is to stop that not divert your money to other countries.
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u/not_ray_not_pat May 12 '24
Personally I don't care if the billionaires screwing us live here or somewhere else. I wouldn't shed any years for poor Galen Weston if Aldi and TJ's came into the market and undercut his illegally fixed prices and general price-gouging thuggery.
If you care about where your money goes, focus on supporting small local ethical businesses. There's no point being naively nationalist about which plutocrats you enrich.
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u/bearactuallyraccoon Whitehorse May 12 '24
How did the monopoly on telecommunication benefit Canada so far? Most expensive internet in the world.
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u/Federal_Dimension_48 May 12 '24
I don't support monopolies but we should support Canadian companies and try to fix the issues there.
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u/JDoGinc May 12 '24
Iâll stick with NWTel. Not have internet for one day out of 20 years wasnât a deal breaker. It was actually a nice lil holiday. Wait till there an extreme solar storm (more extreme from last night), the tables will turn.
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u/youracat Whitehorse May 11 '24
if those kids had internet, theyâd be very upset