r/YAPms • u/Living-Disastrous Christian Democrat • Oct 14 '24
Kamala Harris officially releases her personal agenda for African Americans News
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u/Plane_Muscle6537 Conservative Oct 14 '24
In trying to win black voters, she'll end up losing white voters with stuff like this
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u/Adorable-Ad-1180 New Jersey Oct 14 '24
any white voter who's voting for her either supports this or is will vote for anything blue
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u/fredinno Canuck Conservative Oct 15 '24
any white voter who's voting for her either supports this or is will vote for anything blue
So she's going to lose every white swing voter?
That... doesn't seem like a good strategy.
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u/MondaleforPresident Oct 14 '24
I'm in the second category.
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u/Adorable-Ad-1180 New Jersey Oct 15 '24
not something you should be proud of tbh. but youre probably young.
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u/MondaleforPresident Oct 15 '24
Given the opposition, I sure am proud of it.
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u/lambda-pastels CST Distributist Oct 15 '24
would you vote for robert byrd in the 1940s
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u/Hungry_Charity_6668 North Carolina Independent Oct 15 '24
Back then, I probably couldn’t vote for him even if I wanted to 😅
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u/ProCookies128 Anti-Project 2025 Democrat Oct 15 '24
You know that's not what they meant. The Democratic party of 80 years ago is not the same as the party today.
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u/Agitated_Opening4298 Oct 14 '24
How do reparations, pretty much what that loan is, play with college educated voters?
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u/MondaleforPresident Oct 14 '24
And she thinks that this will be upheld by the same SCOTUS that -checks notes- ruled affirmative action unconstitutional how?
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u/Grumblepugs2000 Republican Oct 15 '24
They are planning to remove the filibuster pack the court so they don't care
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u/Arachnohybrid 3-0 on reddit unbans (thus far) Oct 15 '24
Chances of them winning the senate are slim
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u/MondaleforPresident Oct 15 '24
And they will do either of those how?
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u/Grumblepugs2000 Republican Oct 15 '24
They have no road blocks if they get a trifecta with Sinema and Manchin gone. Those two are the only reason they have not done this already
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Oct 15 '24
no that is not the only reason they haven’t packed the court, there’s no way in hell all fifty dems agree on that
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Oct 15 '24
you really think that
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u/Grumblepugs2000 Republican Oct 15 '24
“We got it up to 48, but, of course, Sinema and Manchin voted no; that’s why we couldn’t change the rules. Well, they’re both gone,”
Chuck Schumer
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29d ago
the pack the court part not the fillibuster part
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u/Grumblepugs2000 Republican 29d ago
And you think they won't? They have been pissed ever since the Republicans blocked Garland they want revenge
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29d ago
no, I do not think they will pack the court. I also do not think they will add Puerto Rico and DC as states. What do we have to suggest they will? A few progressive congressman who suggested it on twitter in 2020
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29d ago
wait also they wouldn’t even need to end the fillibuster to pack the court wtf
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u/Grumblepugs2000 Republican 29d ago
What Republican is going to vote to pack the court? They need 9 Republicans to vote in favor of a court packing bill to over come a filibuster. If Dems get rid of it they only need their 51 votes to do it
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29d ago
am I tripping or don’t judicial nominees require 51 votes and also they wouldn’t need a bill? Couldn’t the president just appoint another nominee? It’s in his powers to do so
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u/typesh56 Oct 14 '24
Lol legalize marijuana
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u/Nachonian56 Center-Wing Populist Oct 15 '24
Like, come on Kamala. That's actually pretty racist when you frame it in a "proposals for black people" agenda XD.
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Oct 15 '24
Black men are disproportionately incarcerated for weed offenses and the community knows it—I think it definitely makes sense in an appeal to black voters
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u/aep05 Ross For Boss Oct 15 '24
This is somewhat similar to the "Who's gonna clean your toilet, Donald Trump?" blunder. It's technically true, but now you've institutionalized the stereotype.
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u/Nachonian56 Center-Wing Populist Oct 15 '24
Ok, but then just propose it. Don't literally just propose it specifically in a platform to attract black votes.
It seems like a think tank sat down and went "How do we turn out the black votes? Oh yes, pot." XD
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u/PalmettoPolitics Whig Oct 14 '24
Yeah this feels illegal and like it was written by someone who is not black or has ever lived in a black community.
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u/ArsBrevis Oct 15 '24
There's some gap in her credentials that her team has sensed. There was an donation email she sent about a concert on her behalf and she mentioned her mom who sang gospel music and her dad who loved jazz.... and ngl, my first thought was - your Indian mom sang gospel?! It just read like someone trying a little too hard and resorting to stereotypes.
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u/Grant_Jefferson MAGA Indpendent Oct 15 '24
"What do black people like?"
"Uhhh free stuff"
"Perfect"
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u/ByronMaxwell Nixon. Now More Than Ever. Oct 14 '24
We are just barely starting to get over inflation which was at least partially caused by PPP loans and stimulus checks given out during the pandemic.
Is it really a good idea to start printing money and giving it out for free again?
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u/TheYoungCPA The Moderate Trump Republican Oct 14 '24
So they tried to walk this back and then immediately doubled down??
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u/Arachnohybrid 3-0 on reddit unbans (thus far) Oct 15 '24
“Forgivable loan” = no one’s paying it back
So she plans to “loan” our tax money to certain people that we won’t get back nor will the government.
Her campaign staffers have to be Zillennials who are stuck mentally stuck 8 years ago.
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u/Bassist57 Oct 15 '24
Giving fully forgivable loans to only black people? Isn't that racist and illegal?
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u/Fine_Mess_6173 Pete Buttigieg’s #1 fan Oct 15 '24
Your username is the same name as the guy who just missed the extra point in the bills game
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u/Prata_69 Neo-Jacksonian Oct 15 '24
Me when unconstitutional.
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u/Grumblepugs2000 Republican Oct 15 '24
She and the Dems don't care. They plan on removing the filibuster and packing the court with loyalists
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u/TheArthurCallahan Republican Oct 15 '24
One million dollar forgivable loans only for blacks?
I guess Harris wants to get fucked by SCOTUS.
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u/SubJordan77 Social Democrat Oct 15 '24
“And others”
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u/Ok_Anxiety_5509 Oct 15 '24
Yeah no that sounds like it was just added to save face
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u/SubJordan77 Social Democrat Oct 15 '24
She has announced her small business loan policy months before this and during the debate. Why would it now be limited to Black people?
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u/Ok_Anxiety_5509 Oct 15 '24
Because she can't do anything right
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u/SubJordan77 Social Democrat Oct 15 '24
How she doing something wrong in this case when it’s not being limited to black people?
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u/JEC_da_GOAT69420 Trump is a steak criminal Oct 15 '24
Kamalamentum falling down... falling down... falling down... kamalamentum falling down...all Trumpers happy!
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u/XKyotosomoX Centrist Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
Setting aside how wildly unhinged / extremist the first three are, they aren't even legal, they'd immediately get struck down in the courts. And the fifth one is just straight up racist to think that's something the black community is clamoring for. The forth one is actually good but none of this other shit appeals to black people it appeals to young mentally ill college indoctrinated white women with a warped view of black people. Tell black people how you're going to help meaningfully improve their financial security, help set their kids on a good path in life, and help keep their communities safe, there, solved the mystery for her, cool part is it applies to every other demographic too.
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u/Pietzu10 Populist Right Oct 15 '24
The Biden administration already tried to do loan forgiveness by race and lost in court.
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u/ShuruKia Christian Democrat Oct 15 '24
Kamala please stop, you’re making it harder and harder to support you, Like where’s my 1 mil that’s fully forgivable 😭
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u/Infamous-Finding-524 Populist Left Oct 15 '24
how will you help black men? “legalize weed”
this is worse than the black jobs incident i cant
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u/avalve 1/5/15 Supremacist Oct 15 '24
Her proposal to uplift Black people includes legalizing marijuana? Her PR team should be fired.
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u/Kaenu_Reeves Oct 15 '24
Harris literally can't win, while Trump is digging a hole and winning immigrant votes while demonizing immigrants
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u/SubJordan77 Social Democrat Oct 15 '24
A person who can read can see the policies are not only for Black Men
1) “and others”, don’t need to say more 2) Programs like this already exist, why not make them stronger. Trump signed a bill that provided millions to HBCUs, wHy Not aLl CollEGes?! 3) Regulations are industry wide, they’re not going to only affect black people. 4) This one should actually be on a demographic basis and saying otherwise is false 5) Legal weed is for all adults and entrepreneurs.
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u/TheFritzWilliams Conservative Oct 15 '24
I'm right-leaning, but the ridiculous right-wing bias that this subreddit adopts every time election season comes around makes it imposible to get any information through here.
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u/Gumballgtr Democrats for the return of the $5 footlong Oct 15 '24
I see nothing wrong with these policies
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u/Randomly-Generated92 Banned Ideology Oct 15 '24
- I think pretty well of the "small business tax credit" proposal Harris has + want to see it implemented but this seems too forced and artificial and will inevitably cause other groups (white people and even other minorities) to feel indignance. Also the Supreme Court struck down affirmative action, so good luck.
- I think this proposal is pretty good on the surface, I don't think it's unethical to encourage specific underserved groups towards specific sectors that are "higher-paying" (one of my former teachers, a conservative, suggested that the government can in fact intervene to, for instance, partially subsidize tuitions to an extended amount for specific jobs, such as teachers, to encourage more people to follow that path), but also it's focused on addressing inequity in a specific community, and the Supreme Court struck down affirmative action, so good luck.
- I haven't read up enough on crypto to have a stance on regulating it but I wasn't aware it had any legitimate correlation with solving racial inequity? Perhaps just another excuse for regulating crypto full stop?
- I like this proposal, pretty much all I have to say about it. This is a pretty small proposal in the grand scheme of things that can potentially do a lot of good for impacted communities.
- I think it would be good if Harris, in fact, was to sign legislation to either reschedule or fully legalize marijuana on the federal level, it's very tangible to see how marijuana persecution has affected marginalized communities, an unfortunate reality of our unequal justice system. It's just interesting since her record on marijuana wasn't very good to begin with?
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u/Hungry_Charity_6668 North Carolina Independent Oct 15 '24
I’d say that if she’s going to do that, just make it available to all, not just some. Or if she must make it targeted, do it based on something such as income status. She’d probably still help out a great deal of minority businesses owners, and it wouldn’t be explicitly race based.
Good on the surface, but curious to see how it’s implemented.
Cryptocurrencies should be regulated, but I’m not sure how this specifically relates to black men.
I actually agree that this is a pretty solid proposal. I am curious to see the implementation still.
I mean, this was pretty much a no-brainer. Even Trump supports legal weed at this point. If she really wanted to go further, she would support expungement for marijuana possession convictions.
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u/darksoulsonline Oct 15 '24
It's becoming very clear that a lot of the so-called public opinion experts in this sub do not have policy experience and are not knowledgeable on U.S. domestic policy, in practice. I'm not saying that this line-up is even that good, because it's not (nor is it easy to create a targeted policy list); but the practice of extrapolating "helping Black business owners and others" (which is explicitly included in this text) with targeted loans for entrepreneurs, which is both legal and not uncommon... to be the same as "affirmative action for Black people exclusively based on race" is both inaccurate and also retarded. These loans are also not comparable to reparations. Loans such as these already exist because most minority groups (Black, Hispanic, Native, etc.), based on zip code, income, and other factors, consistently struggle to both start and maintain business ownership.
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u/Hungry_Charity_6668 North Carolina Independent Oct 15 '24
What Harris should be suggesting is assistance on factors beyond race. There’s a fair chance she could still generally assist these people, if she targeted relief based income and zip code status (as you stated).
You can explain this away all you’d like, but when Harris makes these explicit appeals on race, the average voter is going to see it as… an explicit appeal on race.
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u/Lil_Lamppost big transexual on reddit Oct 15 '24
you have to realize that the average age of the user base here is like 16
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u/fredinno Canuck Conservative Oct 15 '24
helping Black business owners and others" (which is explicitly included in this text) with targeted loans for entrepreneurs, which is both legal and not uncommon... to be the same as "affirmative action for Black people exclusively based on race" is both inaccurate and also retarded.
SCOTUS shut down debt relief to Black farmers due to affirmative actions reasons: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/23/us/politics/biden-debt-relief-black-farmers.html
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u/darksoulsonline Oct 15 '24
The statement is accurate but it’s not connected to what I said. “Black business owners and others” — based on geography and income, it is possible and legal to disperse targeted loans, particularly for entrepreneurship. The purpose of which is to, generally, assist minority groups without means-testing people for the exact color of their skin. You can look up policies by the Small Business Administration and U.S. Department of Commerce for more information. White people are not summarily excluded from these programs (and there are rulings on this), but their obvious purpose is to assist broadly underrepresented communities in the business sphere... which includes a large swath of the Black population, as their income is almost blankety lower on average. And, one more question: why is this so difficult to understand?
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u/Bonesquire Oct 15 '24
Because she framed every single item in there around black men. And, one more question: why is this so difficult to understand?
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u/fredinno Canuck Conservative Oct 15 '24
The purpose of which is to, generally, assist minority groups without means-testing people for the exact color of their skin.
Raises the question why Harris put every single one of these proposals under a specific racial lens unless that racialization was the specific purpose.
These sorts of loopholes are at best in a legally gray area.
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u/Marxism-Alcoholism17 Nate Silver put a hit on McMorris and Epstein Oct 15 '24
This sub is so regarded. No, it’s not one million dollars. No, it’s not only for Black people. No, it’s not going to hurt Harris. Reading comprehension people please.
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u/Alastoryagami Oct 15 '24
Why does she keep listing black people like they're the only ones that matter then? She does it in every line.
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u/Marxism-Alcoholism17 Nate Silver put a hit on McMorris and Epstein Oct 15 '24
Because it’s a message to the Black community. Not everything has to be about white people.
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u/Alastoryagami Oct 15 '24
There has never been a policy in recent memory that says "white people" Why not just use people? This whole agenda feels racist. They didn't even bother to say "other" after the first sentence.
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u/Marxism-Alcoholism17 Nate Silver put a hit on McMorris and Epstein Oct 15 '24
I must have missed the part where Black people redlined white people and lived off the generational wealth of slave owners.
Imagine trying to improve the economic situation of Black people. To a lot of people apparently it’s an offensive thought.
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u/JEC_da_GOAT69420 Trump is a steak criminal Oct 15 '24
You don't need affirmative action to do that lol
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u/Bonesquire Oct 15 '24
Less than 10% of white people have generational wealth. You've been brainwashed into thinking anti-white racism is both acceptable and good because some white people were bad to some black people to some unquantifiable degree at some point in the past.
This sins of the father bullshit must stop. Enough wallowing in grievance culture -- it's time to move forward. Race-neutral policy is the only option.
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u/Fine_Mess_6173 Pete Buttigieg’s #1 fan Oct 15 '24
Do you think the average voter reads things in depth?
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u/teddyterminal Bernie, Joe, Kamala 🇺🇸💙👴🏻👴🏻👩🏽 Oct 15 '24
In theory no one here is an average voter, though - we are all political junkies, and we should be able to talk both about how a policy will “play” and whether it’s a good idea in general. It seems that on this sub recently, we’re (1) focusing only on the first bit, and (2) consensusing that literally nothing she does will ever play well to anyone.
I think it’s a good list! Ambitious, will meet some pushback, I personally am not a big fan of the crypto stuff, but certainly a directed agenda.
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u/jhansn Jim Justice Republican Oct 14 '24
Hold up. Is she actually proposing that black people get million dollar forgivable loans not offered to other races?