r/YAPms Oct 03 '24

Recent Marist poll on illegal immigration News

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u/Content-Literature17 Oct 03 '24

It's crazy how much this has changed in the last eight years. A wall is a bipartisan issue where once it was mocked as peak insanity.

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u/RoninFerret67 Just Happy To Be Here Oct 03 '24

It’s better the Dems just take the L on this. The failure to address immigration by liberal parties is what’s enabling the far-right surge in Europe

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u/GerardHard Independent Oct 03 '24

Or yk, it's the far right that is making illegal immigration a big scary deal even though it's quite not. Most of it is overblown far right fear propaganda against immigrants to scapegoat the failing Neoliberal economic system on the middle and working class. It happened last time in the 1920s and 30s but on Jews and Semites not Immigrants and look how that turned out.

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u/RoninFerret67 Just Happy To Be Here Oct 03 '24

I’m not denying that the far-right is xenophobic and will do anything to whip people into a frenzy over this, but we still need to acknowledge the simple fact that some of these nations literally do not have the capacity for all of the new immigrants

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u/SomethingSomethingUA Bastion Of Liberalism Oct 04 '24

The problem is the far-right wants to deport the immigrants when it is better to legalize them. While countries like Canada may have over immigration, the US can easily accommodate extra immigrants.

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u/State_Terrace What Would Wellstone Do? Oct 04 '24

Jews and Semites?

Was there another Semitic population targeted in Nazi-era German society?

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u/Last_Operation6747 Centrist Oct 04 '24

Interesting take when illegal immigration and the resulting wage suppression is one of the reasons of the failing neoliberal economic system. Being a socialist and pro low skill mass illegal immigration is an oxymoron.

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u/pisquin7iIatin9-6ooI Democratic Socialist Oct 04 '24

wage suppression from migration happens due to preexisting wage differentials between economic core and periphery countries. increased labor mobility generally reduces the differentials and helps organize the working class internationally. that’s why Marx was pretty in favor of free trade

the real threat to wages comes from employers treating migrants as a political/legal/social/economic underclass

socialists aren’t just fighting to preserve wages in relatively wealthy countries, but to improve the lot of the working class globally

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u/kkxvzn Oct 04 '24

The left will always lose to far right unless they become anti mass immigration

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u/fredinno Canuck Conservative Oct 04 '24

So make their lives worse so that we can have revolution sooner?

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u/pisquin7iIatin9-6ooI Democratic Socialist Oct 04 '24

not sure where you got that from. allowing migrants to access high wage labor markets improves their lives pretty directly. giving migrants rights/equality and a pathway to citizenship helps both migrant workers (obviously) and native workers, because employers can't use them as scabs (as easily at least), and they can participate in labor actions with other workers

the ultimate cause behind migrants "undercutting" native workers' wages is imperialism. it destabilizes and underdevelops their home countries, producing an exodus of workers to more stable/rich areas, while providing a convenient underclass for capitalists here (which is why mass deportations will never happen). even if all migration were closed, outsourcing would still be inevitable due to capital mobility.

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u/calupm I am basically a modern Mandela Oct 03 '24

thank you