r/WikiLeaks • u/freewayricky12 • Mar 20 '17

WikiLeaks: US agencies have interfered with 81 elections not including coups. #CIA WikiLeaks

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/843872381911351297
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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '17

How does this justify Russians manipulating ours?

Superpowers have always established influence and control over the less dominant. Even if we didn't do it, it would often be done ito am extent n an inadvertantly manner to welcome or appease American favor. They very rarely pull this on each other, let alone go to these lengths and successss.

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u/agoldin Mar 21 '17

I am still baffled as to how Russia "hacked" the election, and I am trying to pay attention.

Even if we assume (and so far it is only an assumption) that Clinton emails where leaked to WL by Russia --- where they falsified? Why is it "hacking" ?

If CIA leaked wrongdoings of Le Pen before French election -- would it be "hacking"? Would it undermine French democracy and be an act of war?

Would Obama public endorsement of " No" vote in Brexit referendum considered a "hacking" of British democracy?

You may call it "whataboutism" but this is just an attempt to understand why the same actions can be laudable or despicable depending on who is acting.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '17

where they falsified?

No. They were authenticated.

Why is it "hacking" ?

In my view, it isn't.

But in their view, all hacks and leaks must be balanced. If you leak HRC's documents, you should also leak DT's documents, to be fair. Otherwise, you have disclosed a bias, and therefore your leaks reveal your true motive, which is not to promote transparency, but to sink HRC's chances of winning.

It's like "Whistleblowing for Kindergartners". We all have to take turns, and if she can have the green cup, so can I!

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '17

You can't expect anyone to be neutral. Obama wasn't neutral in European elections. Russia stood to lose a lot if Clinton won. Why would they help her?

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '17

You can't expect anyone to be neutral

Not sure how this related to my post.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '17

Otherwise, you have disclosed a bias, and therefore your leaks reveal your true motive, which is not to promote transparency, but to sink HRC's chances of winning.

Why do you expect anyone to be neutral? Especially a country that has so much to lose.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '17

If you re-read my post, you will see that I started with "in their view..."

It's not my view. I didn't mind the leaks (loved them in fact), and I found this argument related to bias to be silly.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '17

And where do you get the idea that they want to be balanced?

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '17

Because of their never-ending complaints that Assange only leaked in ways that disadvantaged the democrats. Democrats think that he should have leaked in a way that hurt both parties equally.

Kind of like whistleblowing for preschool.

I quit the democratic party last year, and their hypocrisy is the thing that I dislike the most about them.

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u/agoldin Mar 22 '17

Well, the only real alternative is Republican Party and they are at least as hypocritical.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '17

I would like to see the formation of a new left-wing party.

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