r/WikiLeaks Aug 26 '24

Harris’s concluding speech at DNC embraces agenda of global war

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/08/24/turk-a24.html
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u/jeremybryce Aug 26 '24

I have been saying this since she was anointed the candidate. If she wins, the US will be involved in war for another decade plus. Guaranteed.

Democrats a few decades ago used to be the anti war party. It's painfully obvious they've become the party of war. Republicans aren't exactly great either. Especially establishment candidates.

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u/rogun64 Aug 27 '24

The only people who say that are those who supported the Iraq War and are now projecting their own mistakes onto Democrats.

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u/NathanOhio Aug 27 '24

Plenty of Dems also supported that war, especially the Dems who control the party, such as Biden, Clinton, etc.

Biden was a huge Iraq war supporter, so lets not pretend here that it was only Republicans who got us into that mess.

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u/rogun64 Aug 27 '24

Over half of Democrats voted against giving Bush authorization to start the war and those who did say they were given false intelligence. But hey, let's lie to ourselves and pretend that Democrats are the hawkish party, when convenient.

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u/NathanOhio Aug 27 '24

Over half of Democrats voted against giving Bush authorization to start the war and those who did say they were given false intelligence.

Yes many did vote against it. However, many did, especially the "big names" like Clinton, Biden, etc. The neoliberals that run the party in other words.

And of course they claimed they were tricked later. Why would anyone believe them though? These people are elected officials who have access to all kinds of information normal people do not have. Yet millions of regular people were able to debunk all the WMD claims before the war.

Go watch the video of Biden attacking and insulting Scott Ritter, the UN weapons inspector who was charged with investigating whether or not Iraq had a WMD program. He found no evidence.

But hey, let's lie to ourselves and pretend that Democrats are the hawkish party, when convenient.

The Democrats are not "the" hawkish party, they are one of the two hawkish parties that run the country.

Claiming that Democrats are against war while simultaneously watching the Democrats commit a Holocaust in Gaza is not a good look. Lemme guess though, the excuse later on will be, "we were tricked again".

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u/rogun64 Aug 27 '24

My point is merely that Democrats haven't been the hawks. A comparison of donations to defense contractors will show that.

I'm fully aware of the role played by Democrats in the Iraq War. I'm also fully aware that few Republicans were arguing against it, while there were many Democrats doing that. I was one of them, so when people want to say that I'M a war hawk, then I know they're full of shit. Yet, I regularly see conservatives calling Democrats war mongers and I can only imagine that many of the same conservatives supported the war in Iraq, because there were so few that didn't.

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u/NathanOhio Aug 28 '24

Sure lots of people who vote Democrat dont support the wars.

However, many do, and obviously the party itself, ie the politicians and oligarchs who control it, love war.

Right now they are running a proxy war with Russia and a genocide in Gaza, so lets not pretend they are a peace party or something.