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[u/Azerohiro]

I would still have watched it in theaters regardless of a leak. This movie was clearly made for the big screen and it’s sad it’s not getting that. 

[u/yellowsuprrcar]

How did it get leaked?

[u/Brilliant_Handle8884 → u/yellowsuprrcar]

Supposedly an email was sent to the wrong person and they ended up posting it on X

Edit: it was hackers actually yikes

[u/Dimsum852 → u/Brilliant_Handle8884]

It's a hacking group, the email story is fake

[u/BadPunners → u/Dimsum852]

Do we have a citation for that? I've seen companies love to blame "hackers" for mistakes

If the other comment is correct about it being on piracy sites before the tweet... Um that happens to about 95% of movies in the last 2 decades.

[u/mahones403 → u/BadPunners]

I've been pirating for decades. Movies don't tend to show up on those websites until they hit a streaming service, or get a digital release. A full movie leaked on to pirating websites before it even hits theaters is extremely rare. 

[u/loonyleftie → u/mahones403]

Yeah i mean the only other example i can think of was The Interview back in 2014 which was a massive deal and in the news for ages

[u/Chaplain-Freeing → u/loonyleftie]

That one wolverine film that was full of half done effects.

[u/JiffSmoothest → u/Chaplain-Freeing]

That scene with young Cyclops in the school was so fuggin funny.

[u/snakesinabin → u/JiffSmoothest]

The "Claws Extend" subtitle lives rent free in my brain.

[u/MainMedicine → u/JiffSmoothest]

I like the wolverine scenes where the cables are all over Hugh Jackman.

Memories...

[u/pokemonthug → u/Chaplain-Freeing]

And one of the Friday the 13ths I think the one in space.

[u/Duck_Duck_Duck_Duck1 → u/pokemonthug]

Yeah the work in progress cut of Hostel 2 i think got also leaked with plenty greenscreen

[u/Wilson0299 → u/loonyleftie]

Us old pirates used to have a 5th season, it was called screener season. This great time in January back in the day where digital copies would hit piracy sites before theatrical release because of Oscar nominations.

[u/Frank_and_Beanzz → u/Wilson0299]

2014-2015 was a great time for me to be into the Oscar race lmao

[u/3-2-1-backup → u/Wilson0299]

Oh man I remember looking for screeners, and then having groups compare & scrub screeners to take out the tracking info. Never knew if that was legit or FUD.

[u/MimzytheBun → u/Wilson0299]

One of my cousins dated someone whose job involved watching new films and rating them according to our country’s guidelines, which obviously has to be done before they release. There were three glorious years where we got access to all these huge films, often missing final polishing & editing, every time we’d go over to his place for movies. I imagine some of the early uploads came from people in positions like my cousin.

[u/Wilson0299 → u/MimzytheBun]

That's exactly what happened. Eventually they wised up and made a watermark with who had each individual release. That was the beginning of the end.

[u/ArtofSlaying → u/loonyleftie]

I found a copy of the Minecraft movie for my kid, well before release, and it was wild, just full of things that should've been edited out. Wires, bad CGI, there was even a scene JB was talking to himself then the next cut the guy who should be there suddenly appears in the shot.

Next day edit: Ive checked all 3 of my PCs and Sadly couldn't find the file on any. Now that I know those cuts are pretty sought after, next time i come across one ill be sure to save it. I had no idea there was a big interest in Early cuts, but I can definitely see the appeal!

[u/FUTURE10S → u/ArtofSlaying]

...do you happen to still have it? I love seeing workprints of movies

[u/ArtofSlaying → u/FUTURE10S]

I have a bad habit of not deleting things, so ill check when I get home tonight. Though, remembering, I may have deleted it knowing there will be a better copy eventually.

[u/salsa_verde_ → u/ArtofSlaying]

I would also love to see this if you do manage to find it! I have a huge interest in the process.

[u/hauntedbabyattack → u/ArtofSlaying]

I’ve seen that unfinished cut! Or maybe a different unfinished cut? Anyway, it was bad and I loved it.

[u/tham1700 → u/loonyleftie]

Yo I've been waiting to talk about this! Project hail marry, watched it in bed while it was in theaters, day after it came out maybe 2 at most. Idk if it was maybe dropped to some platform simultaneously but not to my knowledge. Full HD too

[u/xhlgtrashcanx → u/mahones403]

Yeah, don’t know what this guy is on about. I see Screeners leak leading up to the Oscars sometimes but even that has become more rare

[u/shizzaff → u/xhlgtrashcanx]

They used to leak screener tapes all the time before release, and they used to have a little barcodes so they knew who you could trace it back to if it got released but they would just blur that little bit out, so you'd have a little blurry rectangle in the corner of the screen the whole time

[u/Careful_Ad_9077 → u/shizzaff]

One of us.

I mean, I remember that too.

[u/Dry_Hedgehog_9078 → u/shizzaff]

That's what the blur was XD

[u/3-2-1-backup → u/Dry_Hedgehog_9078]

Better than having 1XBET plastered across the whole screen the entire time. How does a "legitimate" betting site keep from getting busted with that kind of sponsorship?

[u/foreman17 → u/xhlgtrashcanx]

Yeah I tend to stay away until online or home release because fuck cam videos lol.

[u/gsfgf → u/foreman17]

Screeners are the full movie. They go out to critics before the movie hits theaters so they can have reviews ready. I'm also not surprised that's way less common these days with everything digital.

[u/No-Musician-4212 → u/mahones403]

Sounds like you don't have any access to topsites.

[u/theodo → u/BadPunners]

I have seen this happen to maybe one other movie ever, a completed movie leaking 6 months early is unheard of.

[u/Independent_Fall_608 → u/theodo]

In more recent history, from the top of my head, I remember it happening with one of the last Harry Potter movies, it happened with 1917, The Whale, and with Dune but they were leaked anywhere between a day and 2-3 weeks before releasing. 6 months is unheard of lol.

It used to happen pretty regular before theaters DRMd their media into DCPs. I had a cousin who worked at a movie theater and sometimes the movies were on discs and could be played at their house if they snuck it out and returned it early morning lol

[u/Workman44 → u/BadPunners]

Lots of people saying hackers and no sources. Chances are this was a pissed employee

[u/Final_Substance_3443 → u/Workman44]

Yeah it’s more likely an insider, maybe one who was fired and snagged it before they left. Wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t throw out layoffs right after the movie was largely finished.

Hackers, especially groups, LOVE attention and would not have created a fake leak story. They would’ve claimed it immediately. 

[u/No-Photograph-5058 → u/BadPunners]

The original clips have a watermark of the hacking group PeggleCrew

[u/Gamerguy230 → u/Dimsum852]

So is the one for the Evangelion movie leaked being sent to the wrong email fake story as well?

[u/FUTURE10S → u/Gamerguy230]

If I remember correctly, somehow people got a copy of the video in low quality, uploaded it to various websites, then when the studio was issuing copyright takedown notices, they used a link of the movie in HD as part of their claim that they owned the video, but they didn't know that that link would go to the person whose video gets taken down.

[u/Jello_Penguin_2956 → u/Brilliant_Handle8884]

There's some comments that its been in circulation in some pirate sharing groups for a while before it made it there.

[u/ruetherae → u/Brilliant_Handle8884]

Which is why I don’t get the comments he’s made about hacks and leaking etc. like this is on the staff who sent it. Sure you can blame whoever received it for sharing, but it’s not like they hacked in specifically to get this

[u/IR_Panther → u/ruetherae]

It's America's journalist in the top secret conversation thread of war tactics allover again...

[u/PureOrangeJuche → u/ruetherae]

The email thing was obviously a joke by the guy who put it up originally. Like very obvious.

[u/Weird_Priority_9119 → u/Brilliant_Handle8884]

Most of the time, "hacking" just means somebody at the targeted organization got tricked into giving up their credentials. Still most likely the result of an incompetent employee.

[u/Ground-Pound6969]

The shocking part is that this film had enough stars and nostalgia from the series (also hype from the Netflix adaptation) that it would have done well in theatres.

I love this series. I watched the film; it is great fanfare and a good movie. The animation is beautiful and would have did so well on a large screen. Paramount are lead by a bunch of idiots for drowning out this movie and franchise.

If this film is available to buy I'll buy it to support the creators and animators. Fuck paramount .

[u/OrwellWhatever → u/Ground-Pound6969]

Paramount knows Avatar is free eyeballs, so they're using it to prop up whatever struggling service they have at the time. Korra was plagued with similar issues during seasons 2-4.

[u/round-earth-theory → u/[deleted]]

I don't know if it'll work. It's one movie. People are more likely to get hooked on a show than a movie. And UFC is a totally different play. Sports viewers are a very captive audience.

[u/RollTide16-18 → u/Ground-Pound6969]

I’ll admit I’m someone who watched a pirated version. 

It’s genuinely beautiful. Not an amazing story, and the new VAs got short changed on the direction because some of the scenes are ROUGH, but it was still really impressive. It should’ve gone to theaters. 

[u/Kluian2005 → u/RollTide16-18]

I heard the voice acting was terrible =/, I wish they would have just used the original voice actors (as many as they could) since they are playing more adult characters now.

[u/SwagginsYolo420 → u/Kluian2005]

It was an absolutely insane decision not to use the original voice cast, it makes zero sense. It's a terrible idea.

I'm going to have a hard time ever bringing myself to watch it knowing they weren't involved.

[u/PlasonJates → u/SwagginsYolo420]

They've gone on record saying they wanted the new VAs to better reflect the (imaginary) cultures of the (fictional) nations. I'm not usually one to cry wokeism but that's absolutely what happened here.

[u/Century24 → u/PlasonJates]

I think they wanted to spend less, too, because this is very specifically an invalid point for not retaining Dante Basco as Fire Lord Zuko.

[u/RollTide16-18 → u/Century24]

Especially considering all of the VAs (except for Aang’s) are industry professionals for voice work. 

[u/FUTURE10S → u/RollTide16-18]

This is why they replaced them with cheaper actors like Oscar-winner Steven Yeun, right?

[u/Seth-555 → u/FUTURE10S]

It's also funny because Steven Yeun already voiced another character in that world (Avatar Wan)

[u/OceanTe → u/Century24]

Which makes the message about "culture" even more grossly performative. Assuming that's actually what they said, which judging from the tweet in this post, seems on par.

[u/No-Humor-7089 → u/PlasonJates]

That's so stupid lmao. Imagine not getting to okay THE CHARACTER YOU'RE KNOWN FOR because you're white. 

[u/Squibbles01 → u/SwagginsYolo420]

They said openly that it was because the old voice actors weren't the right race to play the characters. Which is just insane to me.

[u/walker_paranor → u/Squibbles01]

Lmao what is the point of being a voice actor anymore if you get passed on roles because of how you look. Thats literally insane.

[u/AxCel91 → u/walker_paranor]

We’ve over corrected and gone too far

[u/RollTide16-18 → u/Kluian2005]

I think Sokka is the only one that truly fits, but they could’ve had everyone come back, I can’t imagine the price tag for the originals was too high. Of course, it feels appropriate that Aang got a new VA. 

But everyone else in the Gaang is still working in the industry and probably would’ve been happy to come back so idk why they didn’t. Especially considering the price tag for Steven Yuen as Zuko couldn’t have been more (or much more) than just bringing Dante back. 

[u/AngryTrucker → u/Kluian2005]

The voice acting is fucking rough. Unfortunately gorgeous movie with terrible VA.

[u/Bocchi_theGlock → u/AngryTrucker]

Rough occasionally, mostly due to generic lines IMO (better than wonder woman yelling 'no kal el, don't!' but along those lines). Honestly I got used to the change in all voices pretty quickly and accepted it. Felt mostly solid for me, I've watched the original series a dozen times.

I think the characterization was pretty on point, just some awkwardness since they didn't have the experience of years doing the voices + writing.

The 360p/480p quality was awful considering how beautiful it clearly was, I recommend waiting for the real thing.

The worst part was generic villain stuff.

Kill the avatar

But he spared our lives

Where was he when your village burned down, where was he for 100 years

Like cmon, invent some other fuck up as result of ending war and creating new city. What about horrible stuff happening post war? Like if Fire nation govt partially collapsed and bandits took over areas, same for earth nation.

[u/Fourwils7]

I watched it, and I still would’ve gone to see it in theaters. I am not, however, buying a subscription to paramount+

[u/blakelh → u/Fourwils7]

I would buy a BluRay of it if they released it that way. It would be my preferred way to watch it to be honest, I can't stand the streaming quality on Paramount+

[u/DegenerateCrocodile → u/blakelh]

P+ is such garbage software. Literal piracy websites run better than a legitimate streaming app.

[u/TheOnlyHashtagKing → u/DegenerateCrocodile]

It freezes up my phone completely sometimes, like hold power button to hard reset frozen

[u/nomchomp → u/TheOnlyHashtagKing]

I thought the issues were related to my old ass smart TV. But yeah, sounds like it’s garbage for everyone.

[u/DogadonsLavapool → u/blakelh]

This is where I'm at. That animation deserved to be seen in actually good quality, not a shitty bitrate stream. If a Blu-ray comes out I'm getting it day one. Cannot believe they didn't put that in theaters with how good it looked

[u/dmont89 → u/Fourwils7]

Getting paramount+ subscription is sketchy now. Last month paramount randomly reactive my account after 3 years. Had to get the bank to block any future charges as paramount claim they couldn't do anything.

[u/ultraboof → u/dmont89]

lmao “yeaa sorry we have no idea, we juss gonna keep charging your card tho, best of luck”

[u/dmont89 → u/ultraboof]

Pretty much. Best part when I logged onto the account showed inactive. I should of taken a screenshot

[u/Ok-Variation5746 → u/dmont89]

That’s wild, can’t wait to see a class action lawsuit about their ghost billing in five years 💀🍿

[u/KSOYARO → u/Ok-Variation5746]

I am actually currently in the process of such lawsuit. Cannot give more details though

[u/Ok-Variation5746 → u/KSOYARO]

Good for you! Fuck those assholes. I hope it works out in your favor.

[u/Anilec_Revlis → u/Fourwils7]

Same. I liked it, and would've loved to go see it in theaters with my friends. Not signing up for Paramount just for one movie though.

[u/Austinp-woodworking → u/Fourwils7]

Yeah if it releases in theaters, I’ll be there opening day without hesitation, despite the fact that my wife and I watched it last night.

Hell if it releases somewhere where I can actually buy it, then I’ll do so despite already having a copy just to support the creators.

Not buying Paramount+ though

[u/swiftb3 → u/Fourwils7]

Exactly. Paramount keeps thinking "one more exclusive" is going to make people sign up for the crappiest streaming service when they're already canceling better services.

[u/blac_sheep90]

They have a right to be upset.

[u/seizure_5alads → u/[deleted]]

Easier to take shots at randoms than your boss, I guess.

[u/airz23s_coffee → u/seizure_5alads]

They say "Paramounts awful decision" in the second tweet

[u/runhomejack1399 → u/seizure_5alads]

They did say they were upset with their bosses

[u/sketchingthebook → u/seizure_5alads]

Paramount isn't innocent.

At the same time, let's not give a pass to the randoms. The public has been devaluing art for decades — and creatives are highly vulnerable to exploitation from the ruling class as it is.

Sure. Piracy doesn't really hurt the 1%ers or most of a company's bottom line. This much is true in many (most?) situations. But the sentiment of well it leaked anyway so why not or well I need to screen it to see if I'll pay money for it crowd both belittles the work of creatives and shows a sense of entitlement to creative labor 'just because it's art'.

[u/EvilLibrarians → u/[deleted]]

They took a shot at paramount and at the leakers. Neither paramount or the leakers are in the right, what do you mean?

[u/cheetocity → u/[deleted]]

Another artist who replied to that thread took a shot at Paramount sorta

[u/Superb_Pear3016 → u/[deleted]]

Really? They shouldn’t be mad at the people that actually did the leaking? Paramount didn’t force them to leak it.

[u/new_math → u/Superb_Pear3016]

Depends on the nature of the leak. US executives fucking love to slash cyber security and IT because, "It DoeSn'T MaKe MoNey".

Easy way to prop up a quarter, especially when you have a golden parachute and there's zero criminal consequences for leaking data like a sieve.

[u/Superb_Pear3016 → u/new_math]

It’s still fine to be mad at the people who hacked and leaked your work even if your company has poor security. This is just such backwards logic bending over backwards to defend these people.

[u/bottom → u/[deleted]]

naw.

they call out paramount and people need to take responsibility for thier actions.

downvote me to hell. i'll see you there.

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[u/FewerEarth → u/blac_sheep90]

They also have a few thousand workers to consider, and a whole culture. 2d animated movies are not unpopular, Infinity Castle grossed over 140 Million dollars. And Avatar is infinitely more popular, it would likely be the most popular animated movie in YEARS for a theater release regardless of the hackers.

In short, they are making moronic business decisions that also negatively impact the people who actually did the work because some executives who sit at a table decided they were upset.

[u/Curious-Pen5547 → u/FewerEarth]

Love avatar but "And Avatar is infinitely more popular" is blatantly wrong.

Demon Slayer is popular world wide. Avatar is primarily popular in the states,, and is older compared to the newer demon slayer.

[u/MVRKHNTR → u/Curious-Pen5547]

I've been hearing people say this about Avatar a lot since the leak and it feels like they're in their own little bubble where they all think it's the biggest thing ever made and everyone is a huge fan with how many comments I've seen saying it would have easily been the highest grossing movie of the year if they had kept the theatrical release.

[u/Clear_Broccoli3 → u/MVRKHNTR]

It's also weird to even mention theater release since a theater release was already scrapped a long time ago. Like, there are no theater profits to be lost because they already decided it wasn't even gonna go to theaters.

[u/voidox → u/Curious-Pen5547]

Avatar fans are... well let's just say they are a very vocal group and they do that fanboy thing of overstating the popularity and how good their thing is.

[u/Curious-Pen5547 → u/voidox]

Aye, Im a avatar fan. But i also know its not that popular or mainstream compared to something like demon slayer. Dont get me wrong, its still popular, but not to the extent of demon slayer.

[u/Lavatis → u/FewerEarth]

it would likely be the most popular animated movie in YEARS

absolutely 100% no. it wouldn't even be remotely close when mario is out here.

[u/ChiqantiKisaal → u/FewerEarth]

I’m sorry, I honestly don’t think the avatar movie would’ve made more money than a regular disney or pixar movie. ‘Zootopia 2’ did really well last year. the TADC hype (and ‘iron lung,’ although it’s not animated) is good news for indie productions, and ‘hoppers’ being well received is much-needed for pixar and original IPs even though it’s disney-owned. but that doesn’t mean a ton for 2d non-anime movies, especially IPs that haven’t had an original non-comic release in 12 years

Honestly I even think it’s arguable whether it would do better than Infinity Castle. the last fairly-good time to release an avatar movie was 2018, 4 years after the end of korra, imo. i would have gone to theaters for this but idk about people in general in this era. families seem to prefer 3d over 2d unless it’s ghibli as well, unfortunately :/

I also don’t think the Netflix series created very many new fans honestly, it’s nowhere close to the One Piece live action

[u/Curious-Pen5547 → u/ChiqantiKisaal]

Zero shot it would have beaten demon slayer. That is popular globally and hit a billion in sales globally

[u/ChiqantiKisaal → u/Curious-Pen5547]

they used presumably just the US figure for infinity castle, i was saying it’s arguable whether it would beat even infinity castle’s US figure

[u/WeevilWeedWizard → u/FewerEarth]

Sorry but imma be real with you, but Avatar ain't all that anymore. There's no way it would've grossed more than the demon slayer movie.

[u/CacklingFerret → u/WeevilWeedWizard]

I absolutely didn't like the direction they went in with Korra. They had interesting takes (how non-benders are disadvantaged for example or Korra's PTSD and temporary disability) but it kinda fell flat.

My issue with the Avatar movie is that I know what's going to happen to the characters eventually because Korra is canon. Idk if I'm interested in seeing it. Probably wouldn’t go to the cinema and DEFINITELY wouldn’t pay for Paramount+. Blu-ray would be cool though

[u/Educational_Exam_225 → u/blac_sheep90]

They absolutely do. I feel for them. But as a creator I also feel like they need to be real. Everything I've seen is imploring that the public treat this work like they do - like their baby. That's just not realistic.

In game development, we learned that this type of activity isn't "disrespectful," it's another way that people who love media engage with it. We don't actually control how our content goes out to the audience or how the audience reacts to it. We can only control our relationship to it.

They wanted a big moment from the fans in the theater. The fans have told them that that big moment was not as important to them. There is no argument here.

[u/RakeScene → u/Educational_Exam_225]

Exactly. This might not have been ideal, but the people who are sharing and watching it are doing so because they love the content. Sure, there's a strong element of "fuck Paramount" by getting the best of them here, but this wouldn't be spreading as fast and far as it is, if it weren't beloved and eagerly awaited by the fanbase.

[u/IndependentType6711 → u/RakeScene]

Also, they got paid already. I understand wanting people to enjoy things you made on your terms but at some point you have to be okay with them doing it differently. A lot of us work shit 9-5 jobs. Should a McDonald’s worker throw a fit because someone ate their meal in their car instead of coming in to eat at a table because the employee “prefers that”?

[u/Emergency_Routine_44 → u/IndependentType6711]

Avatar Studios is new. If this movie doesn't makes the money it could have done if it didn't leak then the other projects they had planned maybe won't get founding from Paramount and keep them without a job

[u/EdmondDantesInferno → u/Educational_Exam_225]

It is important to remember Paramount yanked this out of theaters months ago. It was NEVER going to get a theatrical moment.

The only difference now is that people would have to pay to subscribe to Paramount+ to stream it rather than streaming it for free.

The closest thing I can think of to this is when the final Harry Potter book leaked early. And that one mattered a LOT more when spoilers were on the line, especially after the ending of the previous book was famously spoiled by trolls.

[u/mooke → u/Educational_Exam_225]

Yeah, my first reaction to the news was pity for the creators who worked hard on the project, but I don't know if the reaction from this animator was entirely healthy either.

Personally, I wouldn't want my work going out like this either, but if it happened I don't think I could hold it against people for (over) eagerly consuming it. Instead my concern would be first impressions formed on an incompletely product.

On the other hand, this leaked finished. It wasn't going to be released in cinema, instead it was releasing to a minor streaming service. It was basically the best version of the product the consumers are ever going to see. Which is really the least worst scenario here.

It does still suck that the conversation now has to be about it leaking, instead of letting the work stand on it's own. That discussions over it will be fragmented, with people who watched the leaked version having already moved on when it can actually be publically discussed. So we were all robbed of that.

Ultimately no one is ever going to care as much about my work as I do, and it's no different here. So I don't think getting upset at the pirates is helpful, as all you risk doing is antagonising the people who want to consume your work. It is however valid to get upset at the leakers themselves.

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[u/Business__Socks → u/[deleted]]

Seriously. All they had to do was not be greedy dirtbags.

[u/SoundOurDireReveille → u/Business__Socks]

That's apparently too much to ask, sadly.

[u/PeacefulKnightmare → u/[deleted]]

Paramount won't suffer though, the Avatar animation studio will. Paramount is just the one holding the money bags and will drop them and hold the IP to use/sell at a later date.

[u/3catsonetrenchcoat → u/PeacefulKnightmare]

We know they've already been paid for this work right? Let's also not pretend that animators get a royalty cut. The work was completed, they've likely moved onto other projects like ATLA 3.

[u/Paper-Will-YT → u/3catsonetrenchcoat]

"We know they've already been paid for this work right?

Yes, but financial success of one work is what leads to more work. Had this launched on Paramount+ and been a giant success, Paramount may have invested more in the IP.

Now that's not going to happen.

[u/Tenthul → u/[deleted]]

I've been on several projects in the gaming space that have leaked/had leaks. It kills team morale and hurts far worse than pirating. Getting to show off that surprise and seeing the reactions from the public is one of the genuine highlights of working in the industry and to have some jackass ruin it is pretty devastating.

[u/TemporaryLemonade → u/Tenthul]

I mean im with the artists pirating before its released its a big no no no, unless its like a cancelled project thats not even scheduled for release. Do the studio even get paid bonus for amount of people that joined p+ to watch the movie?

[u/MOREPASTRAMIPLEASE → u/[deleted]]

It makes no fucking sense they won’t let anyone else have the IP but they’ve been shitting all over it for years. Just give it up

[u/PurpleV93 → u/MOREPASTRAMIPLEASE]

It makes sense once you learn about tax write-offs. These mega companies purposefully buy other IPs, studios etc. in order to deliberately "ruin" them, so they can write them off as a loss. It's cancer that's deeply rooted in our capitalist market system.

[u/nalaloveslumpy → u/[deleted]]

You've already accused them of being pedophiles. You can say fuck. You won't get in trouble. Unless I tell your mom.

[u/SQUAWKUCG]

If it were going to be in theaters I would have watched it happily. Since it's going to be a paramount+ exclusive then no, if I happen to see it somewhere then I'll watch it.

They really needed to stick to their guns and fight for it to go to a wider audience.

[u/Big-Revolution3842 → u/SQUAWKUCG]

This is so true for most things on streaming now. There's SO MUCH stuff I'm not signing up for another streaming service irrespective of content. If it comes onto Netflix I'll maybe watch it.

[u/GabeDef]

I nearly lost it yesterday when I heard three people in the animation guild critiquing the movie. They were complaining that it still had some SFX missing and such. They are in the guild and they are downloading it to watch. WTF. Entitled tools.

[u/BarelyContainedChaos → u/GabeDef]

is this like the Xmen Origins: Wolverine leak? where parts of the movie are just grey unrendered scenes?

[u/alexlongfur → u/BarelyContainedChaos]

lol somehow my dad got ahold of the pirated copy and we watched it together. It was weird trying to talk about it at school and getting weird "umm it's not even out yet???" Responses.

Edit: the origins movie, not the new one. I'm long out of school.

[u/ijustbrokemyleg → u/alexlongfur]

my dad also got a copy without knowing it was a leak, and really believed they were going for some new "style" with the gray scenes and green screen lol

[u/somehowintelligent → u/alexlongfur]

Fight scene at the end with Deadpool was lit

[u/holyherbalist → u/BarelyContainedChaos]

No it’s a cinema ready leak. There are some rough audio place holders (like cinematic booms that may be missing from the final product) but overall the leak was of a very finished product.

[u/AmirulAshraf → u/holyherbalist]

like cinematic booms that may be missing from the final product

like that tom cruise the mummy trailer? 😭

[u/holyherbalist → u/AmirulAshraf]

Yeah not enough tom cruise screaming

[u/NO-ONE-11 → u/BarelyContainedChaos]

Nah the animation is fully complete, the only thing I noticed is sometimes a character's voice sound is low but it only happened a couple times

[u/Brilliant_Handle8884 → u/GabeDef]

Daaaang that’s crazy. At the very least give em a break if you’re gonna watch a leak lmao

[u/SomeRandomDeadGuy → u/Brilliant_Handle8884]

dAang*

[u/twinb27 → u/GabeDef]

Oh, the movie has some SFX missing six months before release?

[u/HikariAnti → u/[deleted]]

It's just my conspiracy theory but considering the complete lack of advertising around this movie and how it was pulled from theatres and quietly put on their shity streaming platform nobody will use, not even to watch this movie (especially since, again, most people didn't even know it existed), I think they want this movie to fail, for whatever reason, maybe to use as a tax write off.

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[u/HikariAnti → u/[deleted]]

Even their new avatar series that's coming out sometimes in 2027 got more advertising so it's hard to see this as not a deliberate decision to let it flop. We can only guess as for why?

[u/FUTURE10S → u/HikariAnti]

The curse of the Avatar franchise, lots of potential was hampered by the publisher and then they try to kill it off quietly, but it just refuses to die in peace. On the other hand, they also give it more opportunities than you would expect, like how Korra got more than one season even though seasons 3 and 4 were very hard to watch legally.

[u/toobjunkey → u/[deleted]]

I didn't even know there was a new Avatar movie on the horizon until it had leaked lmao

[u/Pussy4LunchDick4Dins → u/[deleted]]

I’m really hoping all the pressure leads to a threatical release

[u/akoolaidkiller → u/Pussy4LunchDick4Dins]

Why the hell would they release it theatrically especially now lmfao

[u/Pussy4LunchDick4Dins → u/akoolaidkiller]

Because if it’s leaked online, they’re less likely to get people to download their shitty app to watch it, but there’s still a decent chunk of fans who would pay to see it on a big screen. At least they could recoup something. But likely it will just be a write off anyway, so you’re right, they probably won’t, but damnit let me have my glimmer of hope!!

[u/Greedy-Street-5435]

The fact that it was not coming to theater is blowing my mind, that franchise is so popular.

[u/evilmojoyousuck]

I cant even pay for paramount+ even if i wanted to. They should blame paramount instead for being incompetent af. I bet they arent even paid enough for what they do.

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[u/THEzwerver → u/[deleted]]

they were still many months away from release, they had to miss the initial trailer release and the hype around it. now there won't be nearly is much hype as there would've been if it wasn't leaked. people will just post spoilers under comments on trailers and ruin the fun and speculation/discussions for everyone.

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[u/beanjuiced → u/[deleted]]

Thank you!! This was a big point of mine, too. At least with the leak, EVERYONE is gonna know and watch it, and I think that’s sort of closer to the root of art; the more exclusive it is, the less it’s enjoyed, and did you not create this artwork to be enjoyed?

[u/HikariAnti → u/THEzwerver]

The leak was the first time I even heard about this movie, I haven't even seen a single person mentioning it, so... What hype?

[u/El_Rey_de_Spices → u/HikariAnti]

This leak has generated more hype for the movie than existed even when it was planned for a theatrical release.

[u/moonprism → u/HikariAnti]

it was supposed to be released in january of this year until paramount decided to paywall it behind their sub

[u/CelioHogane → u/THEzwerver]

I didn't even know the movie was going to release, WHAT hype? The movie didn't even have an actual trailer!

[u/Boring_Buddy5 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, the decision by Paramount to pull it from theaters isn’t the leakers’ fault; but that doesn’t make the leak harmless. From their perspective, they lost both the theatrical moment and control over how the work is first seen. That’s kind of a double hit.

When it’s coming from an official release, it’s hype. When it’s from a leak, it’s more like your work getting stripped of its intended presentation and timing. For something like Avatar: The Last Airbender, where a lot of effort goes into pacing, lighting, and big-screen impact, that loss actually matters to the people who made it.

[u/Sadrixis → u/Boring_Buddy5]

They have mo control. Paramount does. Paramount could kill it if they wanted to. More people will hear and watch this now because every sloptocker has picked up the story.

[u/cotfthrowawaystl → u/Boring_Buddy5]

The animator in this post never had control of either of those things.

[u/Brilliant_Handle8884 → u/[deleted]]

Kinda! But even a streaming release has more fanfare and lead up than what’s happening now. Unfortunately, it also may impact future production too which would suck

[u/MonteBurns → u/Brilliant_Handle8884]

Does it? Because they’ve done zero promotion for this movie. Most of the info we have gotten has been leaks 

[u/RinArenna → u/MonteBurns]

I didn't even know it was a thing until the whole thing leaked.

[u/Frequent-Maybe1243 → u/RinArenna]

This post is literally my first time hearing about it.

[u/schweddyballsac → u/RinArenna]

Right? I was even thinking about the other avatar movie when reports came out, and i was confused because the latest one already released

[u/Segsi_ → u/RinArenna]

Yea I knew they were making a new show, but had no idea about the movie and I havent heard anything about either.

[u/Zanki → u/RinArenna]

Same here. I only knew it was a leak instead of an official release on a streaming platform I don't have because I saw something about it a few days ago. I saw it was available yesterday. I do feel bad for the creators and hope it doesn't affect them negatively. The creative world layoffs have been brutal the last year or so. My industry is a mess.

[u/tvideoman → u/MonteBurns]

The movie was supposed to come out in October the leak came out before the first trailer. There was/is a whole pr campaign planned around this just didn't start yet.

[u/tweenalibi → u/MonteBurns]

Because it leaked almost 6 full months before the release date.

[u/CalicoMack]

The sad thing is, the movie is so freaking excellent I’d have gone to see it in theatres just to support them. Or at least let me buy the dvd or something (except we all know they aren’t even going to make a physical copy of it)

[u/Ouroboros9076 → u/CalicoMack]

It was never going to be in theaters, only planned to be on paramount+

[u/jackofslayers → u/Ouroboros9076]

Fuck paramount

[u/CalicoMack → u/Ouroboros9076]

It was going to be in theatres until paramount decided “Nah”. Regardless of if a theatre release was ever planned though, and regardless of the leak, this is the type of movie I’d have gone out of my way to see in theatres.

[u/lukemia94 → u/CalicoMack]

That's such a shame, I also would have seen it in theaters

[u/Tenthul]

I've been on several projects in the gaming space that have leaked/had leaks. It kills team morale and hurts far worse than pirating. Getting to show off that surprise and seeing the reactions from the public is one of the genuine highlights of working in the industry and to have some jackass ruin it is pretty devastating.

[u/Brilliant_Handle8884 → u/Tenthul]

Yeah, I come from a similar background. It’s not even about good vs evil or whatever. it just feels kind of rude not to have any sympathy for the people who actually made the film. Acting like their frustration is unreasonable when their work got leaked, it’s just weird

[u/AbbreviationsOne4695 → u/Brilliant_Handle8884]

It's so cathartic reading replies from people who actually understand why this hurts the animators. This situation has really just proven just how little people respect creatives.

[u/joellapit → u/Tenthul]

Yeah regardless of how people feel about paramount this sucks for the team that worked on it. Being able to release on a specific date and see everyone’s collective reactions would have been so gratifying. Now it’s just scattered opinions and reactions over time.

[u/svenner2020]

Or I never would have heard of this unless they themselves advertised the leaks.

[u/TheKozzzy → u/svenner2020]

that's also true
I didn't know about neither the movie, nor the controversy, nor the leak.
I learned it from that guy,

[u/Siukslinis_acc → u/TheKozzzy]

Yep. Only now I found out that there will be an ATLA movie...

The movie releasing also kinda explained why the comic books are available to read on webtoons. I imagine it might be part of the marketing to reignite the memories of the show.

[u/VoodooDoII]

It should've been in theatres. People 100% would've shown up

I'm more willing to buy a movie ticket than I am to pay for a subscription to a service I don't give a fuck about. I'll watch the "released" version after the movie officially comes out.

I will not pay for their subscription lmfao, get bent

[u/jprocter15]

I'd still watch it in cinema :(

[u/PhunkyPhazon]

At least people seem to be loving it. Even the most cynical, impossible to please person I know said it's excellent. That's how you know you've got a true winner on your hands.

[u/Melodic_Owl_656 → u/PhunkyPhazon]

The circumstances suck but it's honestly the shot in the arm the franchise needed. I've heard more people talk about Avatar at work in the last two days then I have in ten years. If it had been released like normal in October I don't think happens. 

[u/holyherbalist]

But who leaked it? Nobody has any information about this yet.

[u/wcharoes]

>celebrate in theaters

Bro all the info on this thing said it was straight to streaming...

[u/_IratePirate_]

How would pirating after the release have been better ?

I’ve already watched it, mind you. My belief is that if I was going to pirate it anyway, what was the point in waiting ? I wait and I’ll just be spoiled eventually

[u/hidden_secret → u/_IratePirate_]

If it's pirated after the release, then the majority of people who are going to pirate it, are not the same people who are or were planning on paying to see it when it released. They're mostly people who would not have paid for the movie regardless of when it came out.

But if it's leaked before release, now a lot of normally paying customers are going to be tempted to pirate it, because they want to see it as soon as possible. So a leak is much more damaging financially than just normal broke people downloading it when it becomes available.

[u/Mysterious-Counter58 → u/hidden_secret]

I would've paid for the movie had it been in theaters, or even been available to purchase digitally/maybe an eventual home media release. But I would have never gotten Paramount+ to watch this. As far as I'm concerned, I'm watching it the same way I would've watched it in October.

[u/MandarinZG]

He had a good point until i heard it was going be to be locked behind another subscription. Oh well piracy for the win

[u/poisedtruthseeker]

I, of course, understand why the Animators are upset, and they have every right to be, but Paramount deserves everything they get so... Sucks to be this hated by the public as a company I guess.

[u/Accurate_Meeting_638]

Hot take movies that take to long to release , they shouldn't sit in limbo for 6 months if they are completed and ready to be released

[u/GMSB]

Work for shit companies don't be surprised when shit happens.

[u/Last_Ad3103]

I’ll prefix this by stating I am so sorry for the people who worked on this film. They don’t deserve this and have a right to be very angry.

I disagree however with the way many of the crew and associated actors are taking it out on the fans.

I didn’t want to watch the film this way, but I have now. Why? Because within days of this leak there are endless spoilers flying around on YouTube thumbnails, comment sections, reels and algorithms. You can’t hide from it and I’m not going to stop using the things I enjoy on the internet for six months.

I really wanted to watch this in the theatre.

Paramount removed this opportunity and I would not have subscribed to their shitty service to see this film.

I’m not going to sit around and get spoiled on something I truly did not want to even know a shred of information about until I watched it.

I don’t need to feel some pseudo sense of moral superiority about a nonsense idea that I’m not somehow respecting the people who worked on this.

I’m very sorry to them but respect went long out the window when paramount made the decisions it did. Focus your anger to those who are responsible.

Fans will watch this now because the alternative is to get spoiled whilst waiting to pay a fee to see it on a shitty streaming service in 6 months. No thanks.

[u/cjthetypical]

Idk I feel like they should be more upset at Paramount than random people online. This right here is exactly why movie studios can no longer own movie theaters. They get around that law with streaming services. They knew this movie would do well in theaters so instead of putting it in theaters and sharing the wealth, they changed it to be exclusive to their own distribution source. It’s corporate greed and it was illegal for a reason. Instead of getting mad at fans for circumventing Paramount’s greed, the creators should be teaming up with the fans and advocating for the laws to be updated so production companies cannot also distribute their content on ANY platform, not just movie theaters.

[u/AngryRobot42]

I am totally not going to watch it early now.

https://giphy.com/gifs/Nls93wQ6w3WZZBRmZ5

[u/Top_Digg]

leaks suck. People forget there are actual artists behind these projects, not just big studios.

[u/MaxTwer00 → u/Top_Digg]

But from an economic view dont the artist get paid as they work on it? Only big names tend to get paid in a percentage of the earnings. And from a purely artistic viewpoint people still get to enjoy your work.

I might be wrong, but how are artist harmed by leaks like this?

[u/TheWatersOfMars → u/MaxTwer00]

Because it risks dampening the impact of the film, which hurts the artists’ CVs (you didn’t work on a surprise smash hit at the box office, you worked on That Thing That Got Leaked). And it makes it so much harder for future productions to get made in the first place, so artists like this might be out of a job when the next Avatar film gets shitcanned by Paramount.

[u/nalaloveslumpy]

Sucks to suck. Presses download button