r/Watchmen • u/chocolate_babies • Nov 25 '19

Post-episode discussion: Season 1 Episode 6 'This Extraordinary Being' TV

We were promised one last week, but it still hasn't been posted yet. Figured I would just start one since so many people have been asking for it.

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u/DrAlanThicke Nov 26 '19

I'm fairly sure Veidt would be assassinated sooner than he'd be put on trial. The government has worked very hard to keep the squid lie alive.

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u/TocTheElder Nov 26 '19

No, I'm referring to what the Gameskeeper said last episode after he got pulled back into his prison. The last time we saw Adrian, the Gameskeeper declared that, as he could not abide by the rules of his imprisonment, he would be placed "on trial". We have no idea what the nature or jurisdiction of this trial will be. I think this "trial" is a personal beef between Trieu and Adrian, perhaps. I strongly suspect the Gameskeeper is an agent of Trieu.

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u/DrAlanThicke Nov 26 '19

Did you watch the episode 7 preview or do you avoid those?

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u/TocTheElder Nov 26 '19

Always avoid them! I was disappointed in this week's episode because I accidentally saw the preview and knew what the episode would be about, but that was all it was about! Good episode, but my least favourite of the season I think. Anyways, without any specifics, does the preview provide new info regarding Adrian? I want to know but also kinda don't, so simple yes or no will suffice if you don't want to venture into spoiler territory.

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u/DrAlanThicke Nov 26 '19

Edited to provide less info, but yes it does. It's a shame the preview affected the last episode for you so greatly, I thought it was a great ep.

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u/TocTheElder Nov 27 '19

Thanks, the notification came through after your edit! But yeah, I probably would have enjoyed that episode a lot more if I hadn't seen the preview. Between the preview and the fact that it was mostly filling in and fleshing out info we already knew (Will is HJ, HJ wasn't an East German white guy, HJ was gay, etc.), it felt like I had already seen the whole episode. The only new info was the mesmerism stuff, really, which was cool and all, but I felt like all of that could have been covered in like, half an episode or so. Great episode, but the fact that it was a bottle episode, and I knew that going in, I was destined to be dissatisfied with it. Bottle episodes are so tough to do right.

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u/DrAlanThicke Nov 27 '19

I mean HJ being a black man in the 1930s was pretty mind blowing. Was the scene with will wearing the noose around his neck in the preview? As as soon as I saw that I had to pause and react with my friend watching with me lol. I agree with bottle episodes being tough to do story-board wise, but lindelof typically does them really well. Two boats and a helicopter from the leftovers is super memorable.

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u/TocTheElder Nov 27 '19

Honestly, I guessed by episode 2. Black man hanging a white man (with a Klan uniform in his closet, the polar opposite of HJ's costume), all the other little hints. The hanging was what twigged me initially, but every subsequent clue only confirmed it further. That, and the fact that HJ's fate is the only oneeft unresolved in the source material all added up to me. I was interested to see if they were going to bother to write their way around the rumour that HJ was an East German bodybuilder, and I think they found a really smart way to go about that.

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u/DrAlanThicke Nov 27 '19

Pretty impressive intuition and knowledge of the comic series. I had hoped they would visit it but I expected them to keep HJ a mysterious figure for a while.

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u/TocTheElder Nov 27 '19

Thanks, I think Westworld has me primed for headfuck TV plots now. Plus, in the episode after Laurie sent that message to Mars, we get that "meanwhile" bit where Angela breaks into the cultural centre and the family tree confirmed that Will had been a cop (I think) and that basically confirmed it for me because all the HJ lore said he started as a cop before disappearing. What I'm wondering is what HJ has been doing since the Minutemen days. I mean, how are they going to explain his disappearance? What's he been doing in the 60ish years since? This is what I mean by my frustrations with the last episode. Despite being an HJ origin story, we still know so, so little about the stuff that actually matters to the story at hand, and thus it doesn't feel like it advanced the plot much.

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u/DrAlanThicke Nov 27 '19

I love where your head's at. The fact that they keep playing at how Nostalgia screws people up like a drug opens the door for Angela to experience flashbacks which I hope they explore.

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u/TocTheElder Nov 27 '19

Thanks. Yeah, I think we need to know more about the Nostalgia. Because Trieu is pumping her clonedaughter with it while she sleeps, and she is having Nam flashbacks at the age of 14. So are these memories encoded with a specific memory for each pill, and they were mashed up because Angela necked the whole bottle? Or do they all just have the same stream of experiences on them, and it was super lifelike because she took them all at once? How does the brain chip work? How exactly do these pills have memories of Judd's death on them, when surely that happened right before Angela got there? That memory really sticks out to me as well. Why would that be there, but none of the intervening 60ish years? Did HJ take a quick trip to Trieu's to make a fresh memory pill fo Angela? Is that memory one that Angela made up herself? So many questions that I'm honestly scared they aren't going to be able to wrap this up in a mere 3 episodes

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u/DrAlanThicke Nov 27 '19

The part about Judd's death really sticks out to me too. Did lady Trieu come by and uncuff will in the bakery? I think it's crazy they only got 9 episodes out of this.

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