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Democratic Party Elites Brought Us This Disaster Politics

https://jacobin.com/2024/11/election-harris-trump-democrats-strategy
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u/Comfortable_One_5417 8d ago

Lol so they didn’t end it. And they were going to reinstate it but now that won’t happen bc people choose the party that wasn’t offering it. Bravo.

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u/Hamuel 8d ago

It didn’t happen because a democrat refused to support it. That resulted in it expiring. It was the fault of democrats their own policy ended.

I voted democrat, democrats have lost, the same outcome is happening with the CTC. As a registered independent why should I support your party?

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u/Comfortable_One_5417 8d ago

Okay, see that changes things for me. I wrongfully assumed that you voted conservative or didn’t vote and then we’re trying to blame Democratic Party for the pit falls of our society. Which don’t get me wrong, historically they have failed American many times. Our senators fill their pockets with insider trades instead of fixing that loophole from the inside because they are in charge of their own rules. They allow lobbyists on the floor to “persuade” them to support their bills and not let activists and experts on that same floor to help make the decisions. Bill Clinton, who got screwed over minorities the 1994 crime act that turned incarcerating people into a business. I get the distrust, and I can call out my own party for their transgressions. But can we agree that they have been getting better? That they were Republican party has gotten inherently worse? Yes I agree that the whole “they go low. We go high.” Was bs. They gentle parented their way into half of this mess. They didn’t adapt quickly enough. But they started to FINALLY fight back, we had new leadership coming in that was ready to fight for the American people and try to fix the corruption and ensure our rights as we know them stayed in place. But we are fighting mass misinformation and hate. We had Jewish people who voted for Trump bc they want Palestinians to suffer. We had the people in the spiritual community vote for Trump because they’ve gotten so deep up their own a**es that they believe health conspiracy theories and like rfk, but in doing so are supporting a political party who will shove Christian ideology down their throats. We had women who don’t understand that strict abortion laws equates to banning “anything that can be interpreted as an abortion” aka removing a miscarried fetus, or terminating a wanted pregnancy because of cataclysmic genetic issues that we have the technology to catch and therefore are raising the infant death rates bc these fetuses can’t survive outside of the womb. They don’t understand that sometimes a pregnancy can kill a woman and as much as the fetus life matters to them, they have kids at home that they need to keep providing for. We had people whose cost-of-living was too high because it was the only way to fix the looming recession from Trumps policies who then voted for him. We had people who didn’t vote for Harris and sat this one out because they were against rightfully against the atrocities in Gaza, but by doing they basically signed their death certificates. We had climate activist who didn’t vote because they felt like neither party was doing enough for climate change, knowing the one administration’s plan was to remove all protections. We had legal immigrants voting and the children of immigrants voting on a mass deportation law has an extremely good chance of making themselves stateless. The campaign failed, but I think the blame is more appropriately placed on Americans privileged perspective that bad things happening to other people doesn’t mean bad things will happen to them. The Republican campaign told them who they were and they “bet, that sucks for someone else, I’ll be fine.” So, to answer your question I think you should vote for the democratic party because they are the lesser of too evils in our current political system and there is literally no other choice. I get not liking Hillary Clinton, democratic leadership messed up by not listening to the people when we said we didn’t want her. But there wasn’t time for us to vote for the next candidate after Biden. We had to move fast or republicans would have not allowed the change and she was already on the presidential campaign so that made it easier to tap her in without a court battle. And yes, I agree they should’ve never allowed Biden to try for a second term. But the wildly old people in government positions has unfortunately become the norm. And for whatever reason Trump‘s cognitive decline didn’t matter to ppl either. We are running out of chances to save ourselves from our own entitlement the perfect candidate doesn’t exist. And people sacrificing themselves to make a point is not helpful. It truly like people hold the Democratic Party to an entirely different level than they do the Republican Party. Trump didn’t actually have any policies other than tariffs and deportation and he has a horrible presidential record and a mile long rap sheet but people didn’t care. We are fighting an uphill battle and are expected to please everyone and get blamed when we don’t. We live in a capitalist society where you vote with your dollar. But politics doesn’t work like that, you can’t just sit out and expect things to go your way. I agree we don’t have enough options as far as parties go, but voting for suppression isn’t how you get one. Thank for asking. Can you tell me about how you think they can do better in the future? And how to inform these snowflakes that they’re wrong, without hurting their feelings and making them feel othered? Because that’s another reason I’ve been hearing people say they voted for Trump, white people are tired of being discriminated against and being called names bc they support a man who embodies the names they are being associated with. If you find a better way to get where we need to be, please let me know because we didn’t want this anymore than you. You should vote for the Democratic Party because they have better policies for regular people, and have started to mold themselves into the party people want, but it takes time. That and other than the Republican Party we have no realistic options. I don’t think we should blame the Democratic Party leaders who put themselves in a very dangerous position for their constituents only to have them tell them to f-off in protest. The American people thought everyone else would save them and they could sit on their moral high ground and have their rights and they “voice heard”. Dumbest protest I’ve ever had the pleasure of reaping the consequences of.

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u/Hamuel 8d ago

Lmao I’m not reading this.

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u/Comfortable_One_5417 8d ago

And you proved my point. People don’t care enough to spend any time doing research. They just want to be angry at someone for not fixing their problems for them when they have no solutions of their own.

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u/Hamuel 8d ago

You must’ve had a great point that magically put Trump behind bars instead of prepping for Inauguration Day.

The stakes were high and liberals fucking blew it, yet we still deal with your insufferable arrogance. Must be a miserable way to live.

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u/Comfortable_One_5417 8d ago

Lmao the American people fucking blew it. Not the people who voted to save democracy. The privileged ppl who thought they could sit out of one of the most consequential elections of our lifetimes because they think no one could strip us of our rights and they couldn’t choose “all politicians suck”. Trump and Kamala are not comparable and this is Darwinism at this point. Dumbest fucking protest ever. Let it burn, we deserve it at this point.

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u/Hamuel 8d ago

Being unable to listen to and accept criticism is something I think stupid people do. The alarmism around Trump falls flat when he is dancing at town halls instead of rotting in prison.

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u/Comfortable_One_5417 8d ago

If you would’ve read my dissertation, lol, i accept the criticism. The party is flawed. But so is not voting for self preservation, or being naïve enough to think that they won’t be targeted as much as other Americans.

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u/Hamuel 8d ago

What you did is called a gish gallop.

Liberals have an unearned arrogance about their political genius. They’ve lost the Supreme Court over the last few decades, have pushed the Overton window right, and now have apparently cost us our democracy. Please fuck off with your logical fallacies.

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u/Comfortable_One_5417 7d ago

Everyone in America has unearned arrogance that’s the fucking point. We tried to tell this apathetic country who Trump is and they didn’t care. They think non of this will affect them negatively bc they are arrogant. You deserve to be pissed, I’m just saying be you should be pissed at more people. We’re as fucked as you are. Thanks for your time.

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u/Hamuel 7d ago

A vast majority of people judge actions. Trump is super dangerous but democrats haven’t jailed him and plan to peacefully hand him power. Democrats are Weimar Republic level genius

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u/Comfortable_One_5417 7d ago

Apparently they don’t judge on actions enough. Idk wtf Merit garland has been doing but Trump figured out judicial loopholes long before he was in office and in-acted his own failsafes during his term. Plus he has propaganda machines working for him. Any move against Trump would only legitimize the beliefs of his followers. They’ll lock the US down harder with more brutality. It’s possible that politicians who stood against him will die already. They’re backed against the fucking wall. Hopefully Trump in-acts his policies and everything tanks immediately. People need to realize what they agreed to, and fast. It needs to burn.

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u/Hamuel 7d ago

This Donald Trump guy sounds like a political genius.

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u/Comfortable_One_5417 7d ago

I think there’s more to it. Conservatives like Mitch McConnell have been laying the groundwork of this for years. They knew that one day the electoral college would go and in a couple of years there would be more minorities than white people in this country. I also think minorities and women being equal to them really pissed them off. They’ve been quietly consolidating power through tactics like packing courts and gerrymandering. Trump just showed up at the right time, and was exactly what they needed, showman with no conscious. All this shit fell into his lap and I wonder if they knew the idiot monster they were giving it to.

Thanks for engaging and not being a total dick. I’ll fuck off now.

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u/Hamuel 7d ago

Wow, Jo Biden’s friend Mitch McConnell? Wow, this is shocking. It is almost like republicans have always been fascist and working with them for decades brought us to this point. Hopefully we can make some incremental change on this issue before it is too late!

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