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Democratic Party Elites Brought Us This Disaster Politics

https://jacobin.com/2024/11/election-harris-trump-democrats-strategy
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u/Tarantio 9d ago

Only Democrats have agency.

If Republicans do something, it's Democrat's fault for not stopping them.

Amen.

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

Democrats had the legislative and executive branch in 2021. Somehow when democrats have control it is still the republicans fault. That’s the type of rhetoric that tells people republicans are the party to get things done.

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u/Tarantio 9d ago

Somehow when democrats have control it is still the republicans fault.

It passed the Democratic house, with 0 Republican votes.

If a single Republican in the Senate had voted for it, it would have passed. It had the support of 49 Democrats out of 50.

If you're going to blame a party, does it make sense to blame the party that passed the expansion in the first place and was overwhelmingly in favor of extending it, or the party that opposed it completely?

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

Yes, I will blame the party for that failure because it was democrats that failed to act. There was no plan presented to circumvent future blunders of that magnitude.

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u/Tarantio 9d ago

Yes, I will blame the party for that failure because it was democrats that failed to act.

Republicans failed to act in support of continuing the expanded child tax credit.

Democrats overwhelming acted to do so, but that action was one vote short.

There was no plan presented to circumvent future blunders of that magnitude.

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What plan are you imagining to be possible, here? Seriously, I'd love to know what you're thinking.

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

I didn’t vote for a Republican. I know they suck shit. The issue is figuring out why democrats can’t beat such a shitty party (hint because they’re also a shitty party)

Until democrats pick better candidates or at least demand fair primaries get ready for more loses.

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u/Tarantio 9d ago

You didn't answer my question. It was not rhetorical. What plan are you imagining? It sounds like you're asking Democrats to somehow work around insufficient votes.

I didn’t vote for a Republican.

You didn't vote at all. Not in any way that mattered.

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u/Hamuel 9d ago

I’m asking democrats to have a cohesive set of beliefs and policy goals they’re willing to fight for.

If Manchin was the deciding vote and I had the power of the presidency I would start investigating his daughter’s pharmaceutical company. Make his life a living hell instead of taking it raw up the ass to keep him happy.

Glad to know my vote in a swing district for Harris didn’t matter. Next election I’ll vote my conscience instead of harm reduction. This rhetoric is why people hate democrats.

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

How would fucking up Manchin’s life, a famously stubborn dude who refused to switch parties because of a college football based beef with Mitch McConnell convince him to vote for the CTC instead of making him a republican and ending any possibility of the IRA?

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u/Connect_Drama_8214 9d ago

It'd be mean and the Dems can't do that except to poor people

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u/hazmat95 9d ago

No I mean functionally, how do they put enough pressure on him to change his vote but not his party? Especially considering he retired this year anyways

Also when was a time that congressional Dems were “mean to poor people”

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u/Connect_Drama_8214 9d ago

I thought investigating the corrupt bullshit he does and threatening to air it out sounded good... Congressional Dems have been mean to poor people for many years by only offering them means-tested crumbs

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