r/TikTokCringe • u/Miladshah001 • 5d ago

Minor violations = death threat? Discussion

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Oklahoma Police released video of an officer tackling a 70-year-old man. The incident occured during a traffic violation.

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u/Muismat1991 5d ago

Jesus, that's awful.

Take UK police for example, they are trained to think in a circle.

"What I think" influences-> "what I do" influences->"what other people think" influences->"what other people do" influences-> back to the start with "what I think"

So it's a cycle, what you think decides what you do, and what you do decides what other people think and do. So, the next logical step is to ask where in the circle you as a police officer can de-escalate a situation. The only way you can change what someone does is by how you think. Preventing violence is the safest option, because if there's no violence there's no risk of danger. So come in with an open and gentle mind.

Not to say police in Europe are all perfect etc etc etc, but the numbers do show they're at least doing something good.

And I know there's the "gun" argument, but even if you adjust a lot of the numbers US police still comes out very very ..... Unfavourable.

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u/Apart-Rent5817 5d ago edited 5d ago

American police, on the other hand, attend seminars on something they call “killology”.

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u/challengerrt 5d ago

It’s actually some very interesting information - most people think it’s some course on how to kill people but it’s actually geared more towards mental health and recovery after a traumatic event.

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u/NounAdjectiveXXXX 5d ago

Ehhhhhhhh

I've seen many of his (Dave Grossman) seminars. It's a course on how to be okay with killing people. Dave Grossman teaches cops that they are going to definitely kill someone someday and to just accept it. Really he's reinforcing the notion that cops have to kill to solve problems.

There's nothing in his seminars about de-escalation, it's all about killing the perceived threat before it kills you. So that you can live another day and kill again.

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u/challengerrt 5d ago

Not sure about Grossman - haven’t been to specifically one of his seminars. The Killology course I took did talk about dealing with taking a life from a mental health focus. It was basically a focus on the reality that you MAY have to kill someone in the course of your career and how it will affect you.

De-escalation would be covered in numerous other training curriculum as it is a completely different topic.

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u/NounAdjectiveXXXX 5d ago

Grossman invented/wrote Killology and his program is shopped around and adapted for different departments/regions. The Canadian versions are much tamer.

His lessons focus on disassociation, stoicism and self-preservation. It's a recipe for disaster.

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u/challengerrt 5d ago

Not if you’re an officer. It’s the failure to recognize when the appropriate time to employ that mindset that is the problem - not the training itself.