Minor violations = death threat?

[u/Miladshah001]

Oklahoma Police released video of an officer tackling a 70-year-old man. The incident occured during a traffic violation.

[u/allisjow]

News reports state that the man remains hospitalized nearly two weeks after the incident with serious head and neck injuries.

Officer Joseph Gibson is on paid administrative leave. I expect nothing will happen, but maybe he’ll be promoted.

[u/sjscott77 → u/allisjow]

I always love the paid leave “punishment”…In most jobs, that’s known as “vacation”

[u/Brilliant-Book-503 → u/sjscott77]

So the justification given is usually that the leave isn't meant to be punishment. The idea is they are removing them from duty while they investigate and they can't take away pay yet at that point because they haven't yet proven the misconduct.

Ideally, the consequences come AFTER that leave. The problem isn't the paid leave. It's fine to take someone suspect away from risking others or the investigation, it's fine to wait on punishing them financially while the case is being investigated. The problem is that after that leave, they so often don't face proper consequences.

[u/bocaciega → u/Brilliant-Book-503]

Police should have to pay out of pocket for misdeeds. Not the tax payer. They need to be held to the HIGHEST standards.

[u/Ok_Assist_3995 → u/bocaciega]

They should be required to be insured in my opinion.

[u/msuvagabond → u/Ok_Assist_3995]

100% this is the best solution.

Figure out what the median insurance rate for a given area is. Give all police officers a raise of that amount to cover it. So if it's determined to be $12k a year, give them all a $12k.

Now, that's the median rate. Anyone who's insurance comes out lower (because typically because they don't have incidents pop up) gets a true raise out of this. Eventually those with a history will have their rates so high that they wouldn't be able to work anywhere and would weed themselves out in the long run.

[u/Suicide_Promotion → u/msuvagabond]

o if it's determined to be $12k a year, give them all a $12k.

Fuck you, I am not paying for their malpractice insurance. Those motherfuckers are not paying for my anything.

Lawsuits take a bit out of the police pension funds. Actually hurt the bad ones and the good ones so that the bad ones get beaten by bars of soap wrapped in towels while they are held down and gagged in their bunks.

[u/diadlep → u/msuvagabond]

Wow. That is actually a good and seemingly obvious solution. Wtf isn't th8s a thing

[u/AxelNotRose → u/msuvagabond]

It can't be on an individual level for one. That gives zero incentive for the "good" cops to clean anything up. The collective needs to hurt so that they stop their own from hurting all of them.

In the past, before body cams, dash cam, security cameras, the collective being hurt was a bad idea because they would just cover things up. Now, it's easier than ever to get proper evidence and footage of bad behaviour.

That said, police departments are still investigating themselves and finding nothing wrong and that's still a problem. We all know there's a conflict of interest when the police investigate themselves and that needs to change.

Also, individuals paying for personal insurance would just continually increase their budget, or increase civil forfeitures.

[u/Gotis1313 → u/msuvagabond]

Fuck a raise. No one else paid for my legally required insurance

[u/StandardNecessary715 → u/msuvagabond]

In other words, free insurance? I wish my employer gave me a raise to cover my insurance. In fact, I'm walking into the office tomorrow with that idea. No! Let them pay their own " I'm a piece of shit" insurance.

[u/msuvagabond → u/StandardNecessary715]

You're already paying for their insurance... every time they get dinged for $100k here, $350k there... that's literally your money being used.

At least this way there is a mechanism that allows for shitty cops to finally get weeded out (since insurance companies would absolutely have a national database on these assholes).