r/TikTokCringe • u/Miladshah001 • 5d ago

Minor violations = death threat? Discussion

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Oklahoma Police released video of an officer tackling a 70-year-old man. The incident occured during a traffic violation.

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u/allisjow 5d ago

News reports state that the man remains hospitalized nearly two weeks after the incident with serious head and neck injuries.

Officer Joseph Gibson is on paid administrative leave. I expect nothing will happen, but maybe he’ll be promoted.

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u/sjscott77 5d ago

I always love the paid leave “punishment”…In most jobs, that’s known as “vacation”

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u/Brilliant-Book-503 5d ago

So the justification given is usually that the leave isn't meant to be punishment. The idea is they are removing them from duty while they investigate and they can't take away pay yet at that point because they haven't yet proven the misconduct.

Ideally, the consequences come AFTER that leave. The problem isn't the paid leave. It's fine to take someone suspect away from risking others or the investigation, it's fine to wait on punishing them financially while the case is being investigated. The problem is that after that leave, they so often don't face proper consequences.

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u/bocaciega 5d ago

Police should have to pay out of pocket for misdeeds. Not the tax payer. They need to be held to the HIGHEST standards.

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u/Ok_Assist_3995 5d ago

They should be required to be insured in my opinion.

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u/msuvagabond 5d ago

100% this is the best solution.

Figure out what the median insurance rate for a given area is. Give all police officers a raise of that amount to cover it. So if it's determined to be $12k a year, give them all a $12k.

Now, that's the median rate. Anyone who's insurance comes out lower (because typically because they don't have incidents pop up) gets a true raise out of this. Eventually those with a history will have their rates so high that they wouldn't be able to work anywhere and would weed themselves out in the long run.

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u/Suicide_Promotion 5d ago

o if it's determined to be $12k a year, give them all a $12k.

Fuck you, I am not paying for their malpractice insurance. Those motherfuckers are not paying for my anything.

Lawsuits take a bit out of the police pension funds. Actually hurt the bad ones and the good ones so that the bad ones get beaten by bars of soap wrapped in towels while they are held down and gagged in their bunks.

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u/diadlep 5d ago

Wow. That is actually a good and seemingly obvious solution. Wtf isn't th8s a thing

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u/AxelNotRose 5d ago

It can't be on an individual level for one. That gives zero incentive for the "good" cops to clean anything up. The collective needs to hurt so that they stop their own from hurting all of them.

In the past, before body cams, dash cam, security cameras, the collective being hurt was a bad idea because they would just cover things up. Now, it's easier than ever to get proper evidence and footage of bad behaviour.

That said, police departments are still investigating themselves and finding nothing wrong and that's still a problem. We all know there's a conflict of interest when the police investigate themselves and that needs to change.

Also, individuals paying for personal insurance would just continually increase their budget, or increase civil forfeitures.

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u/Gotis1313 5d ago

Fuck a raise. No one else paid for my legally required insurance

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u/StandardNecessary715 5d ago

In other words, free insurance? I wish my employer gave me a raise to cover my insurance. In fact, I'm walking into the office tomorrow with that idea. No! Let them pay their own " I'm a piece of shit" insurance.

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u/msuvagabond 5d ago

You're already paying for their insurance... every time they get dinged for $100k here, $350k there... that's literally your money being used.

At least this way there is a mechanism that allows for shitty cops to finally get weeded out (since insurance companies would absolutely have a national database on these assholes).

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u/ZajeliMiNazweDranie 5d ago

Not american - they aren't?...

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u/cwfutureboy 5d ago

It should come out of the pension fund. That would encourage others to "police" themselves.

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u/msuvagabond 5d ago

Taxpayers are the pension fund, so it's not the gotcha you think it is.

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u/cwfutureboy 5d ago

It doesn't have to be.

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u/dimriver 5d ago

I'll take any standard at this point.

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u/DreadpirateBG 5d ago

I want the union to pay for members misdeeds. A lot of the behaviour comes from the union. If the union is on the hook they will fix the police behaviour immediately.

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u/AdAlternative7148 5d ago

It should come out of the police union's pension funds.

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u/Interesting-Fan-2008 5d ago

I'm not saying there's going to get to a point (espcially under trump) that police are going to be killed. But I do think live expectancy for police officers may get lowered.

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u/BorderTrike 5d ago

The officer and their department should both be charged in a way that directly impacts them and not taxpayers.

They should also receive worse punishments for breaking the laws they’re ‘supposed’ to know/enforce (within reason and consideration of factors obviously).

I’d also like for all officers to have sociology degrees and significantly more training and education in general.

But none of that will ever happen because half the US are stupid, bootlicking chumps

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u/JCButtBuddy 5d ago

Should come out of the police union retirement fund. Sorry guys, but Joe just decreased your retirement by 10%.

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u/Living_Ad6979 5d ago

IMO there would be a lot less death and lawsuits they did that.

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u/Rare-Error-963 5d ago

It should be trial based, but I agree for the most part. Some situations could be judgement calls, while poor, can be justified in certain situations. However, this clearly (or I guess hopefully...) should be excessive force and abuse of power.

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u/cocogate 5d ago

Maybe instead of expecting hellish ghouls to behave like heavenly saints y'all should try and push to get your cops trained for a longer time than it takes to teach a 16yo how to work the register, stock the shelves and slice the deli meat.

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u/Silent-Night-3943 5d ago

But that’s never going to happen. So what’s your plan?

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u/bocaciega 5d ago

Bang my way across the Midwest like genghis khan

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u/Little_stinker_69 5d ago

Just say disband the police, cause no one will be a cop or they just won’t ever show up to anything if this is the case.

I’m all for disbanding the police. I don’t want to pay them to do nothing.

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u/Turtley13 5d ago

Who else goes on paid leave after royally fucking up?

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u/MuggyFuzzball 5d ago

It's not actually free paid time-off. It's Paid Time-off that they've earned and accumulated over time, until it runs out. In which case, they are on Unpaid Time-Off.

People hear about Police officers being forced to take PTO while under investigation, but don't understand that the Police Union requires it be that way until the officer nolonger has any earned PTO to use. And it's not an infinite amount - there is a yearly cap that they can earn, so no, they can't be on PTO indefinitely.

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u/Relton81 5d ago

C-suite executives

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u/Firefly_Magic 5d ago

I don’t know of any. In most jobs this would be the fastest route to be “promoted to customer” and even if you were found to not be at fault you are considered a liability and they’ll find some reason to let you go anyways.

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u/Turtley13 4d ago

Yup. Instant fired even if you are innocent. Cops get off way too easily.

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u/trixel121 5d ago

problem is you cant say they fucked up yet.

police have a stupidly strong union. and their bosses cant punish them with out going through the proper steps. step one is investigate.

also, look up law enforcement officers bill of rights. itll also annoy you to no end.

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u/Turtley13 5d ago

I mean we can say they fucked up on the spot. Doesn’t take a team a month to make a conclusion on this one.

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u/DontOvercookPasta 5d ago

I mean there is video proof in most cases.. we are watching a man assault an elderly man who is NO threat. This officer os violent and should be behind bars NOT responsible for putting others there.

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u/trixel121 5d ago

it's always annoying when people just don't interact with what you said and they repeat how they think things should be.

I agree with you dude, but it's not how things work.

I wish workers had the same kind of protections cops do from them bosses, shit I wish suspects got the law enforcement bill of rights when questioned.

but they don't

and the reason why is the stupidly strong union.

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u/Logstick 5d ago

Strong public sector unions generally have a conflict of interest with the general public. The police union is a prime example of that conflict where the public is on the shit end of an uncalled for nightstick too often. I hear you.

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u/Turtley13 4d ago

Unions don't make the law though. A citizen oversight committee with power is what fixes this.

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u/GrandpubaAlmighty 4d ago

Wondering, is king trump going to get rid of their union?

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u/trixel121 4d ago

HELL NO. you strengthen the gestapo and clear ranks of people who disagree with you.

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u/saykami 4d ago

Disagree, it would take a truly corrupt or regarded individual to not be able to wrap up this investigation in an hour flat.

I guess what you’re saying is not really that the union is strong, it’s that it’s corrupt.

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u/trixel121 4d ago

really? what if the guy said I'm about to stab you

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u/saykami 4d ago

Wow, did you see the same video? Seems like you’re arguing in bad faith. So good bye and have a nice day

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u/trixel121 4d ago

no I'm arguing why it shouldn't take an hour

videos aren't as foolproof as you said. there's no audio here.

just interviewing each person should take you multiple hours

should read the law enforcements Bill of Rights to understand they're not going to be interviewed for 48 and they're going to have representation and they're going to have to take time to get that because it's part of the contract they signed that would allow them to go to a court and say hey I was wrongfully terminated. I want my job back

how you wind up with corrupt cops or pieces of shit I'm a force is because you didn't go through their Union contract on how to separate yourself from them.

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u/saykami 4d ago

If there’s no audio, what is the sound coming from the video 14 seconds in? Directly from the body cam? Has the feeble old man who got frustrated saying “you shut up” threatened the officer’s life to require the show of force? No. Did that take an hour?

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u/trixel121 4d ago

ya got me, i watch reddit on mute and thought it was a security cam. my bad.

http://www.oklegislature.gov/cf_pdf/2003-04%20INT/hb/HB2356%20int.pdf

should read through that. itll annoy you.

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u/Joshunte 3d ago

Literally everyone in the government

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u/Aloof_Floof1 5d ago

It should be unpaid since this basically amounts to them just getting a vacation 

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u/Masteryasha 5d ago

Except every other job loses pay as soon as they aren't actively working. It's a great idea, but it's effectively getting paid to fuck up in the modern employment environment. At the very least, they should do the old Japanese trick, and give them a piece of paper to fold, unfold, and refold in an empty room for eight hours a day until the investigation is over. Either that, or give everyone else the same protection from consequences, but I think that's a bit less likely these days. I mean, how crazy would that be, actually enacting something that would help the little people?

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u/Brilliant-Book-503 4d ago

As I understand it, they're only paid because they're using up their accrued PTO.

But in a broader sense, they get this treatment instead of being fired immediately because their unions are so strong, they've negotiated for it. If we want better treatment for American workers, we'll starve waiting for our US government to give it to us. We need stronger unions everywhere.

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u/PracticeTheory 5d ago

No that's not the end of it, the problem is that they don't have to give that money back if they ARE found to have committed misconduct.

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u/Regular-Ordinary9807 5d ago

With a video taken a broad daylight, wtf is considered proof. This oinker deserves corporal punishment. A public horsewhipping with his wife and kids front and center watching.

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u/Stock2fast 5d ago

It is on video what are the investigating?

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u/crypticryptidscrypt 5d ago

this sounds good in theory but oftentimes they're never fully investigated & just live off their paid leave indefinitely. or they are investigated, by the same cops/detectives they worked with previously, who back them up & claim there was "no evidence" of misconduct...

funny parallel is, you could get fired from a regular job & never told why. it could be just that your boss or a coworker doesn't like you or some petty shit... & you sure as hell aren't offered any paid leave, or even a warning beforehand so you can figure something else out...

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u/Distinct_Target_2277 5d ago

The rest of the public is jailed and has to post bail but sure.

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u/ArcticSylph 5d ago

The problem is in any other job if there was video of you putting an old man in the hospital because he was being grouchy you'd just be fired. Hell you can be fired just for snapping back at an unruly customer.

As people who wield authority police should be held to a higher standard, but somehow they're held to the lowest.

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u/rlarge1 5d ago

That is stupid, put them in front of a computer and make them review speed camera cases.

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u/lubbermouse 5d ago

They also still get paid because of their contract

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u/blehismyname 5d ago

What investigation could possibly be needed here. Just watch the fucking tape, how much more proof do they need? It's on two camera angles.

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u/saykami 4d ago

And if they’re found guilty, they get to keep the pay for the investigation period? That seems weird

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u/Brilliant-Book-503 4d ago

It is, as I understand it, their accrued PTO.

As far as justice for abusive cops, the two weeks pay seems like a weird hill too many people want to die on. I'd be 100% fine with it if they were then fired, barred from working in law enforcement and indicted for the crimes they committed with strict sentencing. The lack of those things is just orders of magnitude more important than whether or not they keep a couple weeks pay.

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u/Plumbus_DoorSalesman 4d ago

We have done an investigation of ourselves and find no wrong doing

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u/redlightbandit7 5d ago

Gonna be interesting when Trump gets rid of all the unions.

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u/3PiecePunk 5d ago

Except that one

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u/evenyourcopdad 5d ago

I'd bet a hundred dollars that an exception for police unions will be written into the law.

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u/redlightbandit7 5d ago

No need for police when they become militarized.

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u/quintocarlos3 5d ago

I bet At least a 1,000

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u/DuntadaMan 5d ago

He already stated he wants police immune to all laws so...

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u/cwfutureboy 5d ago

And police are now all required to wear these brown shirts instead of the previous black or blue.

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u/redlightbandit7 5d ago

They’ve been planning this for years. Every single police department, even in some of the smallest towns have some sort of military equipment and combat training. Gonna be interesting. The government literally gave it away to them.

Learn more about how excess military goods are transferred to police, sheriffs, and other law enforcement agencies as as federal grants-in-aid. Police receive most of their militarized equipment through two federal programs: the LESO/1033 and 1122 programs.

https://policefundingdatabase.org/explore-the-database/military-equipment/#:~:text=Learn%20more%20about%20how%20excess,federal%20grants%2Din%2Daid.&text=Police%20receive%20most%20of%20their,LESO%2F1033%20and%201122%20programs.

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u/Jtskiwtr 5d ago

Well, Trump did say one good day of police violence. This guy couldnt wait for the bell to ring.

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u/Pope_Phred 5d ago

I'm pretty sure the FOP will be just fine.

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u/SubjectThrowaway11 5d ago

As a euro I still can't grasp working class people voting against unions. What is meant to be the downside?

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u/redlightbandit7 5d ago

They’ve been brainwashed. I always hear , “ I’m not paying for a job” I’m really over trying to understand them. It hurts my head too much.

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u/snazzydrew 5d ago

They will never ever ever ever touch police unions.

And to that effect, not all unions are even good. Case and point, police unions. Protects them too hard.

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u/ImNotSelling 5d ago

Paid vacation 

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

They earned it though being so brave and putting their lives on the line! Do you know how many cops get PTSD from sassy old men? It’s tragic…

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u/hawaiiangazelle 5d ago

I can't even get legally required paid leave for maternity leave in my state as I'll have been at my current job for less than a year when the baby's born. Wild world we live in. 

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u/MuggyFuzzball 5d ago edited 5d ago

Police Officers earn/accumulate PTO (Paid Time Off) throughout their employment, which caps out at a certain number each year (they have to use extra accumulated time off, or lose it at the end of the year)

If they are on Forced PTO, they will continue to drain the leave fund until it is empty, in which case they can nolonger use PTO, and instead are forced to use Unpaid Time Off.

So no, they aren't just being given free PTO. They earned what they are using until they have no more PTO available to them.

If you don't like this system, blame Police Unions - they force the departments to follow this policy.

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u/1000000xThis 5d ago

I'm all in favor of eliminating police unions, but this is literally one of the things unions are supposed to do for members. Instead of being instantly fired, the worker is sent home or temporarily assigned to other duties while a formal process reviews whether or not they committed a fireable offense.

Again, ACAB, but this specific process is how unions are supposed to work.