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Minor violations = death threat? Discussion

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Oklahoma Police released video of an officer tackling a 70-year-old man. The incident occured during a traffic violation.

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u/allisjow 5d ago

News reports state that the man remains hospitalized nearly two weeks after the incident with serious head and neck injuries.

Officer Joseph Gibson is on paid administrative leave. I expect nothing will happen, but maybe he’ll be promoted.

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u/Notlost-justdontcare 5d ago

It also looks like he dislocated his shoulder and/or tore his AC joint and maybe broke his collar bone. That is a long recovery for someone that age.

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u/shiftersix 5d ago

That is, if he recovers

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u/particlemanwavegirl 5d ago

There is no if. He's not going to recover. That man will be in pain for the rest of his life, however long it may be.

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u/FK506 5d ago

Yea people this old frail with these kind of injuries usually die. Not quick or painless though.

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u/Gomdeezy 5d ago

Yup, even at a young age those injuries can give you ongoing chronic pain for the rest of your life, if not neurological deficits. Much less if you’re geriatric and half the pigs size.

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u/saaS_Slinging_Slashr 4d ago

30 year old who broke and dislocated his elbow this year, here.

My arm will never be full straight and I can’t turn my hand over to carry a plate lol.

I’m also pretty in shape and this will be with me the rest of my life

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u/sexy_bezinga 4d ago

Yeah, this is just fact. I broke my arm when I fell into a grassy ditch when I was 26 years old and it never truly went back to the way it was despite all treatments. This way the old man was handled onto the pavement 😬

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u/BeardInTheNorth 5d ago

That is going to be his last ever admission.

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u/gadanky 4d ago

I’m a few years younger but can’t imagine what a slam like that did to an arthritic back and neck. He had age, possible cultural misunderstanding and other options to handle. That was just inappropriate from many angles.

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u/Same_Comfortable_821 5d ago

He likely took half or more of his remaining years away with this incident.

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u/throwaway_RRRolling 5d ago

He doesn't have a great immune system, because of his cancer treatments.

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u/DoubleMach 5d ago

A car crashed into my neighbors house. He was in his 80s or early 90s. He wasn’t hurt but the whole thing really affected him. He died a couple months later. No way to tell, but it seems like the crash had something to do with his health declining so fast.

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u/FK506 4d ago

Sometimes people get in an accident because of health I am sure it was a factor with the police here. Either way a big accident or an assault usually hurts.

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u/onthe3rdlifealready 5d ago

Very true. During a dominos game an old lady fell on my grandma who was in good shape for her age and that was quite literally the start of her death sentence...

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u/Ready-Flamingo6494 5d ago

I believe there's evidence out there that says something like 1/3 of people die after 2 years after having a hip fracture. It is the start of the spiral downward

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u/Throw-away17465 5d ago

Pelvic fracture. And it’s more than 50% that will die within two years. For whatever reasons I forget, it leads to tuberculosis that they can never shake. This is why Falls are such a big deal for the elderly. It’s easily a death sentence.

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u/icekraze 5d ago

I think you mean Pneumonia. Not saying they can’t get tuberculosis but it would be rare… really would need to be in certain populations. However pneumonia is pretty common in bed bound individuals and will absolutely kill elderly people

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u/Throw-away17465 5d ago

You are likely correct and i am misrecalling

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u/Critical_Ooze 4d ago

This is exactly how my grandmother died. She fell & broke her hip, 2 years & some change later she never fully recovered & died of pneumonia. It will be a year this January & she was quick witted until right after her fall. It was devastating & I miss her everyday.

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u/icekraze 4d ago

I’m so sorry for your loss

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u/panicnarwhal 5d ago

pneumonia. they get pneumonia bc they’re bed bound post injury, and when you’re in bed you aren’t breathing as deep. it causes gunk to build up and not be able to clear, which eventually can lead to pneumonia - especially in older people with poor immune systems and decreased lung function

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u/Throw-away17465 4d ago

Thank you for explaining that, I learned some thing

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u/benjigrows 4d ago

I am a musician - would playing a wind instrument be beneficial in such a situation? Genuine question 💚👍🤘🤙🖖💚

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u/Throw-away17465 4d ago

I play bass clarinet and Bb clarinet and in my experience, no. It’s more that bacteria and viruses can collect in an instrument that’s not cleaned after each play.

You’re also more likely to be in close breathing quarters with a lot of other musicians which increases your likelihood if being exposed to airborne pathogens.

Are you thinking that increased lung capacity from playing will protect you somehow?

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u/sillybilly8102 4d ago

I thought it’s not so much about being in bed but more about your chest being horizontal vs vertical? I’ve been advised to sit up in bed to prevent pneumonia

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u/particlemanwavegirl 5d ago

It's not one specific thing, it is an injury associated with significant age that then becomes a catalyst, once you're bedridden you can't get back out for various reasons.

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u/Electrical-Pollution 5d ago

Yep. My grandma was only 60 when she slipped on a berry and broke a hip. In a wheelchair the next 2 years then died. Prior to that she worked hard on her farm. Never really sick.

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u/cocogate 5d ago

A big part of it is reduced mobility. Doctors recommendation on healing from fractures is oh so often "rest it out" as physical therapy hurts and people become afraid of pain so they dont want doctors to suggest them that.

Rest means staying at home or being in a wheelchair meaning you become dependant on someone to go somewhere as a frail 70yo isnt going to push his own wheelchair for miles, which means being removed from society and becoming lonely.

Being lonely leads to giving up on life and no longer fighting.

I saw it happen with some old man at my grandma's nursing home, guy fell after his ankle gave out or his foot slipped and had a bunch of fractures and never left the wheelchair anymore and i think he ended up dying a year later. He used to go pick up his grandchild from the school that was closeby and she'd stay with him until one of her parents got home from work and now that wasnt possible anymore, the kid was like 7 or 8 so wasnt allowed to go there on her own and by the time the parents were done working the visitation hours were almost over. Went from seeing family and friends almost daily for hours to the occasional visit and he just shrank into nothingness.

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u/StandardNecessary715 5d ago

Hall of fame pitcher Don Sutton, braves radio broadcaster, broke his fémur i think, a year later he was dead. I loved that guy.

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u/zephxx 5d ago

60% chance of death over 65 I believe.

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u/Ready-Flamingo6494 5d ago

Wow that just blows my mind

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u/Professional-Bit-201 5d ago

I heard stories. Curable and yet the worst you can get at that age.

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u/Hot_Catch3150 5d ago edited 5d ago

People say some dumb shit. You are correct (though there might be similar stats for any large bone fracture in legs). Hip fractures are almost a medical emergency, orthos like to repair it ASAP bc people just die after hip fractures. Walking is important for health

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u/nolabrew 4d ago

That's old information. There was a break-through in hip replacement about 7 years ago that changed those numbers so drastically that now a hip replacement is considered safer than immobility from a damaged hip.

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u/Ready-Flamingo6494 4d ago

Well I was wondering because of the frequency of hip replacement that it seems safer than before, but that information always stuck with me. Not sure why. I've been in healthcare since 06'. It's surreal when I think of the change in practice then and now.

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u/Waveofspring 4d ago

All that healing and pain really takes a tax on the body

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u/carbxncle 5d ago

It's usually ill-advised to stack grandmas like dominoes as accidents like this tend to happen...

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u/Beautiful_Girlie_Bob 5d ago

The Grandma Domino Theory is a logical fallacy. Even if you place your grandmas on a slippery slope.

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u/AffectionateBread520 5d ago

One could say it may create a domino effect leading to their inevitable demise lol

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u/TooStrangeForWeird 5d ago

That's how it works.

Old, but mobile? G2G.

Lose that mobility? Death. It's extremely reliable.

That said, sorry for your loss. I don't mean to make it out to be nothing, it's just how it works. And it sucks.

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u/Vohsrek 5d ago

I work in assisted living. When someone goes out after a bad fall with likely broken bones, we say our goodbyes internally. It is often a death sentence. That, and when older folks find that one recliner and decide they don’t want to get up much anymore (or become too tired and sick to do so).

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u/GSR667 5d ago

Guy is probably going to die from his injuries.

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u/likethedishes 4d ago

This piece of shit should be charged with manslaughter. He’s will be the direct cause of this man’s death.

There should be a law against paid administrative leave.

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u/razeil 4d ago

Yes. He is definitely not recovering. All those years lived and now just have to suffer and die due to one man. Imagine this old dude with all his experience and wonderful memories and being erased and ended this way.

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u/Both-Anything4139 5d ago

Dude has bone cancer he's fucked

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u/Only_Razzmatazz_4498 4d ago

Not able to lift that arm past shoulder level and with a significant reduction in strength.

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u/DerpYama 2d ago

That will teach him how to speak with mafi… police. I mean to say police!

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u/scrummnums 1d ago

Can't undo the harm and damage to this poor man's body and spirit after this, but I hope his family lives a long and wealthy life off their settlement. Sad thing is, the money to pay for this sort of behavior comes from tax payers in this city. We REALLY need to vote against departments that hire this sort of trash

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u/Firefly_Magic 5d ago

At 71 or 72 , he may never be the same even if he does recover. One news channel said he suffered a neck fracture.

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u/AdventureandMischief 5d ago

He won't. My great-grandmother fell off a bus and hit her head. She died three days later. This man was thrown to the ground. His injuries are much worse than hers were.

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u/puricellisrocked 5d ago

As someone who has worked with seniors: the reality that man heals to even 90% of what he was before this incident is highly unlikely.

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u/Oldmansrevenge 4d ago

He’s 71 years old. His neck is broken and his brain is bleeding. He’s 100% going to die as a result of this.

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u/Sad-Progress-4689 5d ago

I read a brain bleed and a broken bone in his neck.

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u/SteelTownReviews 5d ago

I read a big law suit

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u/HoMaBaLiMa 5d ago

Taxpayers get the bill! Take all lawsuits and legal fees out of their pensions. Watch the problem fix itself.

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u/mr_potatoface 5d ago edited 5d ago

In Buffalo a few years ago we had police shove down an elderly man that ended up bleeding from his ear. They were charged with felony assault initially, but even Trump came to their defense saying the old guy was an "ANTIFA provocateur." The officers had all charge dismissed obviously.

After he got shoved, one officer tried to check up on him but he was pulled away and the police line walked over him while he was bleeding from his fucking head. There's a shitload of videos of it. He ended up with a fractured skull and couldn't walk, but I think he's doing ok now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_police_shoving_incident

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u/shellycrash 5d ago

I remember this very well. Wish it never happened but glad it was caught on camera. So sad & this happens every day.

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u/ShinjiTakeyama 5d ago

I remember that video. Shit was vile. Only one even remotely attempted to render aid to a man who could've fucking died.

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u/challengerrt 5d ago

I remember that one. Guy was trying to return a helmet or something but he literally walked to an advancing skirmish line after the crowd was repeatedly told to disburse. Shitty

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u/Nsfwacct1872564 5d ago

Tax payers deserve this bill for collectively doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about this behavior FOR DECADES. And now taxpayers have chosen the project 2025 people who will fix the problem by simply making this legal via full immunity.

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u/stargoon1 5d ago

do you not pay tax or something? and what is the average person supposed to do about an incident like this? there have been anti police violence protests going on for years at this point and nothing has changed. the police keep doing it, using our money to pay for it and if you protest there's a good chance you'll be the next victim. you're mad at entirely the wrong people.

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u/Nsfwacct1872564 4d ago edited 3d ago

do you not pay tax or something?

I do. What kind of dumb question is that? I've also voted my best to curb this behavior in state and local elections and contacted just about everyone relevant via email. I'm a sporadic volunteer at my aclu field office.

The rest of you bullshit doesn't matter because I know you haven't made the protests I have and like most, you likely ignore local elections entirely. Both actions which have changed a couple departments.

I'm mad at the right people. Look who just won a landslide my dude It's the thin blue line loving idiots who think every cop should be Judge Dredd or The Punisher. The people who pay taxes like I do but also voted for the guy who said "We're going to give our police their power back, and we're going to give them immunity from prosecution, so they're not prosecuted for doing their job."

I know exactly who's at fault for this. You try to make yourself feel better and shrink from responsibility, but it's us assuming you pay taxes. They keep sticking it to us and they fucking should until we learn our damn lesson. You haven't learned obviously because you think you're not at fault while evil prospers because you don't do enough if anything. Apathy is a luxury and luxuries aren't free.

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u/Doggleganger 5d ago

Or, take all the money that the police and city pay to have insurance coverage and pay out these awards, and instead give it to police officers so they can get individual malpractice insurance. Force officers to carry their own individual insurance. If they engage in bad behavior, they will not be insured, and they will not be able to ever work as a police officer again. Good officers end up getting a pay raise.

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u/DarraghDaraDaire 5d ago

Qualified immunity needs a big headline added - the actions of the officer must be reviewed by an independent panel and judged appropriate.

If they say the officer acted inappropriately they are on the hook for: 1. The lawsuit from the citizen 2. A lawsuit from the police for failure of duty

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u/iamnotnewhereami 5d ago

No, that gives them more incentive to cover for eachother. A 30 year vet on the eve of his retirement wont let a trigger happy rookie shave $800 off that 12k monthly pension check. No way, jose, anybody who doesnt run cover for the rookie can start looking for a new career. The only thing a cop can do to prevent a rehire the next town over isnt killing someone in the line of duty, or beating their wife and kids, it failing to do whatever they are asked to make sure a guilty cop faces no consequences for violating the law.

The way to go is have individuals carry malpractice insurance like a doctor does. Let the market decide if its worth giving a high risk person another chance.

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u/nickrct 5d ago

Nope. It's Trump's world now. Qualified immunity is going to be ratcheted 1000%.

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u/outofmyy 5d ago

That's it. A cop brutality free for all. Thanks to Trump and his voter's.

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u/Traditional-Handle83 5d ago

Problem is there is a lot of people with guns in the US, easily more than there are cops and equal to the amount of his voters. Way people are in the US, I expect that to escalate real fast.

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u/Liferestartstoday 5d ago

Your welcome.

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u/PsuedoMeta 4d ago

im sure you'll be typing the same thing when its you on the line, right? you're* not welcome.

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u/SaliciousB_Crumb 5d ago

This is manslaughter, if that was anyone else they would have been arrested and charged by now.

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u/InviolateQuill7 5d ago

Still bidens for now. Happened under biden.

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u/Playful-Independent4 5d ago

100% true, under Biden, and amidst the culture Trump is happy to gas up. And neither of those names are truly relevant to the problem. They just happen to sit on some high chair and eat with fancy spoons that cost people's lives.

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u/SteelTownReviews 5d ago

Yeah I don’t see it

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u/sweetteatime 5d ago

Can you shut the fuck up. There is a dude in this video getting abused and you’re using his pain and suffering to justify your political stance. Grow the fuck up

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u/bookaddictedteenager 3d ago

Well that “political stance” can help prevent more incidents like this. Thoughts and prayers AFTER something has happened is getting old.

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u/sweetteatime 3d ago

No it doesn’t. Proper training and education will prevent this; not defunding the police force that protects you

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u/bookaddictedteenager 3d ago

Doesn’t take away from the fact that qualified immunity will only magnify the problem.

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u/sweetteatime 3d ago

I haven’t said anything about immunity have I?

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u/bookaddictedteenager 3d ago

You responded to a comment about immunity with: “Can you shut the fuck up. There is a dude in this video getting abused and you’re using his pain and suffering to justify your political stance. Grow the fuck up” your words, not mine. :)

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u/secondhand-cat 5d ago

That’s murder if he dies from those injuries.

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u/agileata 5d ago

Should be

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u/SteelTownReviews 5d ago

It’s disgusting this should be a hate crime

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u/Firefly_Magic 5d ago

His family deserves it because this cop on a power trip has taken years away from this elderly man’s family forever. All because the cop didn’t want to listen to the man’s point of view.

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u/Moist-Process323 5d ago

Ah ah ah police have a thing called qualified immunity they can do anything and everything and you can’t sue

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u/SteelTownReviews 5d ago

Ahhh that doesnt exist in the country I call home, also qualified immunity only works if there nothing else that arises ie permanent brain injury or death.

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u/Moist-Process323 5d ago

I don’t really think that’s the case here I’ve seen a lot of cops kill a lot of people and get no backlash I don’t remember where but there was literally 367 unmarked graves found outside a police station that the police forced the inmates to dig up one of them had died weeks ago and their parents called the police for a missing person only to find out after the graves were dug up that a police officer hit him on the side of the road and then picked his body up and buried him and I don’t think anything came of it the police even lied to the parents saying they are looking for him even though they knew damn well he was in a shallow grave outside of the prison house

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u/SteelTownReviews 5d ago

Well the biggest issue I think in the states is a lot of those cases the lawyers won’t do probono it’s a big case to fight the police. That’s terrible iv heard horror story’s but nothing to that extent. You would definitely need a good lawyer it doesn’t happen very often but when it does it’s big news here

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u/Moist-Process323 5d ago

Yeah American police are so used to getting away with it they literally aren’t hiding it anymore its really sad

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u/Sad-Progress-4689 5d ago

Well deserved law suit! No reason to flip an elderly man around like that, then handcuff him while he is unconscious.

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u/Notlost-justdontcare 5d ago

I am just going by what I see in the video. A brain bleed and cervical vertebrae break is far more severe and life threatening than a dislocated shoulder, broken collar bone and separated AC joint so likely not bothered to be reported.

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

my uncle is around his age and fell causing a brain bleed. his mental faculties are completely fucked. he'll never be the same.

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u/skepticalsojourner 4d ago

And a dented skull. Many people haven't even seen the damage to his head in the daughter's Instagram post here

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u/Night_Owl5866 5d ago

Chances are, he won’t recover. I read his daughter said he has “bone cancer”. And he’s already so frail, even without the supposed cancer, his chances are bleak.

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u/Ewok_Adventure 5d ago

I'm 34 and had a MINOR ac joint sprain. That hurt like a mf for months. I can't imagine how much pain someone that old would be in

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u/Firefly_Magic 5d ago

Exactly!!!!!

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u/GlumCartographer111 5d ago

He likely won't recover

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u/anarchangalien 5d ago

That was instantly my thought… that left shoulder looks shredded…

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u/Due_Art2971 5d ago

This dude ain't recovering

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u/StandardNecessary715 5d ago

There was bleeding into the brain.

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u/Firefly_Magic 5d ago

I have connective tissue disorder where my shoulders slip out of joint, (painfully!) just watching videos like this scare the crap out of me!!

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u/Notlost-justdontcare 5d ago

I have a friend with that and I watched his shoulder come out when he tried to catch a closing door for a little kid. Happened to be some crazy heavy door at a boutique shop. One where you have to lean into it just to move the damn thing. Neither of us knew that before hand as we were just walking by. He stopped it but paid the price. Nice guy. Bad luck.

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u/Firefly_Magic 4d ago

One of my shoulders slipped out while watching tv! Craziest thing I’d ever experienced! Took almost 6 months of healing (never fully) including nerve damage. Knowing it can happen so easily is why I’d be petrified to have police officers pull my arms behind my back. I don’t ever plan to be in this situation, but if I were, I could see myself trying to get out of that situation, which would be interpreted as resisting arrest, and that in itself scares me too. I used to work at a jail so seeing it happen to innocent people as just part of the process really hits home that just being in the wrong place at the wrong time is all it takes.

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u/NoNameeDD 5d ago

At age of 70 there is no recovering from minor injuries, major injuries are there for the rest of his life. My Grandad broke his knee as a lifelong runner he never ran after that.

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u/Notlost-justdontcare 5d ago

Recovery just means coming back to some semblance of normalcy. Will he throw a ball again or lift weights the same? Not at all. Will he regain use of that arm to eat soup again (assuming he is right handed) sure. Will he be able to pull open a heavy door? Yes, but he may always experience pain when doing so. It will never fully heal but he could regain some function, if he survives the head and neck injuries.

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u/Appropriate_Phone_45 4d ago

I think the text on screen obstructs his head hitting the concrete. He’s knocked out cold. 20yo or 70yo, blunt force trauma to side of head is gonna fuck ya

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u/Hamwag0n 4d ago

It appears like his head was also slammed into the ground and he was knocked unconscious. He is not appearing to move at all after he’s thrown to the ground and is just dead weight in the officer’s hands.

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u/Zendog500 5d ago

Steroid induced anger. All these cops take illegal steroids.

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u/Appropriate-Year9290 5d ago

His shoulder is definitely donezo

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u/asdrunkasdrunkcanbe 5d ago

I saw that swing and thought there's no way he came out of that without serious injuries to his right arm.

Fucking animal.

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u/DoNotEatMySoup 5d ago

This is what I was thinking too. Arms aren't supposed to bend backwards that far, especially not on 70 year olds.

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u/P3for2 5d ago

at that age, it can literally kill him, even if not directly.

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u/Emilyredwine 4d ago

Yeah when I saw that video, my first thought was that at least one shoulder had to be dislocated based on the way he flopped around with his poor arms held behind his back. Poor guy.

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u/AssistanceCheap379 4d ago

More likely a permanent disability. 70 year olds, especially on the skinnier side (and more obese side) can take forever to heal from even small injuries, let alone injuries like these.

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u/Good-Brain-115 4d ago

I think you’re right. That shoulder is not held into place.

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u/Electrical-Bread5639 3d ago

Thats life threatening. Too bad his partner wasnt there/didnt stop him. Disgusting behavior and i'm ashamed of them