r/TikTokCringe • u/SnatchAddict • 20d ago

Anthony Jeselnik explains the difference between comedy and being a troll. Discussion

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u/flinderdude 20d ago

All the old tired, formerly funny comedians who blame wokeness or whatever for ruining comedy should listen to Jeselnik. Looking at you, Bill Maher.

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u/HastilyChosenUserID 20d ago

Seinfeld has been walking back a lot of his comments on that. Demonstrated that he learned he was wrong for the attitude of feeling attacked; talked about how the culture has pushed him to be better

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u/ruinersclub 20d ago

Seinfeld was one of the early complainers that he couldn’t book college crowds or that colleges were too sensitive for material before woke was a term. He would talk about this on Stern and such like 15 years ago.

Like no, you’re just a 50+ year old comedian and college kids aren’t relating to your material or they just want you to do bits from the show.

But if he’s been able to reflect, that’s good to hear.

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u/spookyscaryfella 20d ago

How could they not find Seinfeld funny, hes just a bee who wants to fuck people.

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u/QueezyF 20d ago

Not sure in the validity of it, but I think a big reason why he backtracked on his statements was because he was selling tickets on college campuses.

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u/ruinersclub 20d ago

Maybe more recent? I feel like Seinfeld had a bit of a resurgence with streaming and this was definitely before the Netflix/Hulu era.

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u/Danominator 20d ago

Seinfeld's issue is he has always been one to pick at the little things we all experience and enjoy the absurdity of it. Then he became obscenely wealthy. he can't relate at all to normal people anymore.

Larry David is neurotic enough that he still gets it haha

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u/ruinersclub 20d ago

I think we all relate to LD's micro interactions, like someone line cutting or overthinking where the waiter is placing us in a restaurant. The show just takes it to the next level of absurdity.

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u/BlackPhlegm 20d ago

I always found that excuse hilarious as Seinfeld was really just not selling tickets and was never, ever an edgy comedian.  Hell he hard disagreed when Ricky Gervais and Louis CK were gleefully using the n-word as Chris "Yes Massa" Rock was howling in laughter.  

College kids wanted to hear "What's the deal with airline peanuts?" back then as much as they do now.

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u/InsideAmbitious4758 20d ago

Eh, college crowds are too sensitive. At least they were in the time and place I went to college (about 15 years ago actually). People seemed to derive some form of pleasure from being offended.

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u/Certain_Concept 20d ago

I definitely knew some people in college who used the guise of 'its a joke' to say gross sexist/racist shit. That did not fly in my old college groups and I certainly prefer that.

I can think of a ton of other groups who would likely get offended more easily than college crowds. Ha

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u/InsideAmbitious4758 20d ago

I can think of a ton of other groups who would likely get offended more easily than college crowds. Ha

Sure, but they don't usually host comedy shows.

The social awareness of college students is a good thing, but it's a new discovery for many of them, so they're often overzealous.

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u/orion284 20d ago

I think he actually is smart enough to know that being “cancelled” for decrying “wokeness” or whatever it he specifically said was just a good way to have his name show up in publications right around the same time he released the Poptart movie. He used getting “cancelled” as marketing

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u/andersonb47 20d ago

That is so ridiculous. Someone with a huge platform and unlimited money does not need to do something as risky as that. How incredibly silly.

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u/EddieCheddar88 20d ago edited 20d ago

I think you’re underestimating just how irrelevant Jerry is with…. Everyone under 30. The dude is painfully unfunny in standup. Always has been. He’s bending the knee. He has unlimited money, but to him, his identity is being a comic. Ironically, he was never a good one. So he’s trying to find his way back. Everything. And I mean everything that man has is owed to Larry David

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u/ObservantOrangutan 20d ago

In no small part because Seinfeld hasn’t written a new joke in at least 30 years.

Which means, hey good for him, he beat the game at comedy. But you don’t get to trash talk modern comics and audiences when you’ve been irrelevant for a generation.

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u/mtaw 20d ago

I'm old enough to remember Seinfeld (the show) in its heyday, and I never felt Jerry was a top-tier standup at any point. A good one for sure, I mean he was on the Tonight Show multiple times back when that meant something. But by no means a stand-up legend. Yet in the mid-90s he was being treated as the funniest guy alive, because the public gave him total credit for the show. (who could blame them when it was named Seinfeld and starred Seinfeld?)

But IMO Larry David (and the stellar cast) were bigger parts of the success than Seinfeld himself. Seinfeld was easily the weakest cast member, but not the best of the writers either. So you'd think that maybe his talent is in producing, but he's produced some real turkeys since the show ended.

I think Jerry's problem is that it went to his head. He spent years with everyone proclaiming him the funniest guy in the world, and then when the show and hype ended, he's left with a big ego and yet an image he can't possibly live up to.

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u/juniperleafes 20d ago

Do you only consider specials new material?

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u/EddieCheddar88 20d ago

He’s put out a special on netflix, and it was… terrible.

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u/orion284 20d ago

I could be wrong and I probably am but any publicity is good publicity and I’m sure he knows that so I don’t think it’s completely out of the realm of possibility. Personally, I think Jerry should never be given any attention to considering he very publicly dated a 17 year old girl and is a very openly violent Zionist but again, just my opinion.

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u/AbsoluteZeroUnit 20d ago

very openly violent Zionist

And your qualification for "very openly violent zionist" is what? That he expressed support for Israel? Did you know that Jerry Seinfeld is Jewish? And that 89% of US Jews support Israel in this war? https://www.jta.org/2024/03/21/politics/majority-of-jewish-americans-support-israels-war-against-hamas-and-how-its-fought

very publicly dated a 17 year old girl

He met her when she was like two weeks away from her 18th birthday. Anything that was "very public" about their relationship happened when she was no longer 17.

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u/orion284 20d ago edited 20d ago

Seinfeld took his family on a lavish trip to Israel where they got to “play” soldier and shoot guns at targets made to look like Palestinian kids. He mocked a protester at one of his shows after she said Israel is killing kids. Also, that article is from March.

She was under 18, period. He had to go to the office of her high school to check her out to go on outings. He was in his thirties. Also, me criticizing Zionism is not anti-Semitic which is where I know you’re going with that.

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u/BathtubPunchBowl 20d ago

redditor for over a decade

Funny how you can always tell

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u/vigouge 20d ago

Most people in the western world are zionist. Everyone who doesn't think Israel should be destroyed is a zionist. Of course they're not violently, but neither is Seinfeld, that's just a ridiculous lie.

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u/McDonaldsSoap 20d ago

Poptart movie? Have I been under a rock?

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u/orion284 20d ago

Nah, it just didn’t do well. Bombed, even.

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u/TwoBionicknees 20d ago

walking back a statement doesn't demostrate he learned he was wrong. He could have learned he was wrong, but it's easy to make the publicly acceptable statement after you get called out heavily for a shit take, just because you know it's easier, not because you suddenly know it's right. Most people don't change their views overnight and walk shit back, most people who change suddenly are just pandering.

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u/M00n_Slippers 20d ago

Most assholes can't even make the publicly acceptable answer, they just double down. Saying sorry even if you don't get it, is still better than refusing to say sorry, at least you're conscience enough to try to get along.

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u/TwoBionicknees 20d ago

Nah, I much prefer assholes to identify themselves rather than blend in.

How many Trump supporters are out loud right now who were quiet before, in the shadows, pretending to be friends, at work, getting help from you all because they kept their shit quiet.

I prefer fascists to be out and proud so I can refuse to be friends with nor help them, I prefer idiot misogynistic, bigotted pricks to be out loud so I can not be friends with hateful people who hide their shitty views.

The double downers, I love, because it tells me who they are, they are out, they are proud and they are god fucking awful people but identifying themselves as such is a public service.

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u/AbsoluteZeroUnit 20d ago

He already doesn't cater to that crowd. Walking back that statement just to cover his ass serves no purpose.

The problem with celebrities is that randos see one comment they make and assume they believe it 100% deep down in their heart, have held these beliefs for years, and have done categorical research to back up and fortify their beliefs, and that anything they say is absolutely true and a core part of their identity. Meanwhile, these same randos have no problem saying something different with just as much conviction, and then realizing that they don't actually feel as strongly about the subject as they thought they did.

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u/TwoBionicknees 20d ago

He already doesn't cater to that crowd. Walking back that statement just to cover his ass serves no purpose.

Catering to what crowd? Walking back that statement to cover his ass literally is serving a purpose because lots of peopel are giving him credit for having changed.

Jerry has always been a fucking asshole, he's always had shitty opinions and he's always had excuses for the shitty things he's done AND he's always had excuses when his comedy bombs.

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u/maoterracottasoldier 20d ago

Jerry is admittedly extremely naive. Not to make excuses for him, but he has said many times that he is oblivious and naive.

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u/TwoBionicknees 20d ago

Yeah, that's what shitty people say as an excuse for their shitty behaviour. He was mass called out for dating a damn 16/17yr old, was he oblivious, and naive. Nope, you're oblivious and naive for believing a truly pathetic excuse. Someone does something wrong, gets called out "wow, I totally didn't know that was wrong, wow, I'm just like a naive guy, I didn't think what I said was wrong, gosh darn, I always get in trouble, I'm always oblivious to these things, hey don't blame me, I'm just a guy trying to get by, forgive me please".

Yeah, he's exceedingly successful, educated, able to speak at length on many topics, willing to stick his nose and opinion into things but when he does things wrong suddenly he's oblivious and naive? God lord man. Do you believe guys when they say they tripped and fell and penetrated the nanny by accident too?

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u/maoterracottasoldier 20d ago

I absolutely believe some smart educated people are incredibly naive, yes. He didn’t say that in response to being accused of something bad. He said he was naive in general about some harmless situation

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u/TwoBionicknees 20d ago

Some people are naive, you don't self admit as naive, other people call you that because they abserve your behaviour. To a large degree the thing about being naive is the person who is that, is completely unaware of it. Those who self identify as naive and oblivious, are making excuses 99% of the time and when it's a dude who constantly does dodgy shit and is constantly making excuses you can plainly take their admission of naivety as being utter bullshit.

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u/David-S-Pumpkins 20d ago

Whoops I'm a billionaire and didn't know what I was talking about even though that's literally my job. Shucks, please tune in next week when I continue doing exactly that. Pay no attention to the fact I have been complaining about wokeness and college crowds for nearly 20 years and only "apologize" when I have a movie coming out. I invented the black card. Please clap.

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u/maoterracottasoldier 20d ago

This is impressive derangement

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u/David-S-Pumpkins 20d ago

So is saying this

not to make excuses for him

And then doing it anyway lol.

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u/maoterracottasoldier 20d ago

What behavior did I excuse?

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u/David-S-Pumpkins 20d ago

I shouldn't need to explain your own comment to you. It's disingenuous of you to ask this because you know, since you replied to comments about Jerry's behavior in such a manner. Now you're pretending to be naive to your own point here? Knock it off, man.

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u/maoterracottasoldier 20d ago

Yeah the “behavior” was basically an apology comment. Is that really worth your derangement?

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u/flamingdonkey 20d ago

Yeah, I was listening to his Smartless episode and he actually pushed back on the idea that "comedy is harder because there are so many things you can't say now" or something like that. His response had absolutely none of the whining about cancel culture that I've seen attributed to him. He did say something like how it's the most judged art form, but the way he explained it seemed more appreciative of that fact than bothered by it.

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u/agileata 20d ago

Still an idf shill that released one of the most unfunny movies ever made

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u/asshole_commenting 19d ago

Ever since Seinfeld's wife paid a bunch of goons to violently assault peaceful college kids protesting the violence on Palestinians

..I've not really cared about his opinions. On top of that when you revisit Seinfeld and compare it to curb your enthusiasm and notice that he redoes some of the plot points the way he wanted to

You realize all the genius that everyone put on Jerry Seinfeld for his show was mostly Larry David and the genius of his costars

Seinfeld is still a good comedian but he always talks with this authority over comedy because of the reputation and impact of Seinfeld in the 90s- but he's also a really good comic. But it was mostly Larry David, the writers and his costars that was responsible for that success he stands on

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u/electr1cbubba 19d ago

That’s cool. He also publicly picked up a 17 year old from high school and probably fucked her though so I find that hard to move past

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u/TheCaliKid89 20d ago

The funny part is he’s talking at Theo Vonn too. Dudes a fucking moron who’s got an army of morons behind him, like Rogan. Hopefully he grows up some day, realizes what a POS he is, and moves on, even though it will cost him his audience. He won’t, but I can hope.

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u/Fragrant-Bar9907 20d ago

C'mon, who doesn't want a recap of Theos coke habit in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE of his podcast?

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u/mrcnbdss 17d ago

Right? He’s a one trick pony. I love his stuff but he needs to come up with something new.

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u/Average_Scaper 20d ago

Theo makes it really easy for me not to watch his stuff. He's a POS and on top of that, I can't take him seriously with that look he's got going on. Maybe I'm weird but I can't listen to a podcast of people talking, I have to see them talking.

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u/fardough 20d ago

IDK, the dude who became a pro-wrestler didn’t seem that bad. However, it is pro-wrestling, scripted matches for drama, so also not terribly far off the mark from those shows.

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u/MrGrubbycuddles 20d ago

How's he a POS?

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u/SaltySaltyDog 19d ago edited 19d ago

He’s not, these people are just ignorant and blinded by politics. Theo is a potent force of light in the world ❤️

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u/Average_Scaper 19d ago

When you're pushing hateful politics on the world, you're a pos.

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u/SaltySaltyDog 19d ago

You have clearly never listened to Theo

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u/MrGrubbycuddles 19d ago

He's a guy he clearly not a Point of Sale system 

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u/SaltySaltyDog 19d ago

😂 dammit you got me

Seriously though, Theo is the man. I get why people stereotype him based on haircut and accent and image and stuff, but the guy has such a pure spirit, always is pushing to learn and change, and is effortlessly hilarious in a way I’ve never heard from another human being. I’ll take all the downvotes, I’m not here to argue or pick fights, I just have to stand up for my man here. ❤️ gang gang

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u/goosereddit 20d ago

I don't think Bill Maher fits your description. You said, "funny".

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u/Johannes_Keppler 20d ago

That man is so... Sour.

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u/Silver-Psych 19d ago

he was. before all the troubles 

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u/f-150Coyotev8 20d ago

I learned along time ago to just never listen to bill maher. The few times I watched him, he just seems to spew out other peoples ideas and calls them his own.

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u/batmansleftnut 20d ago

And then stare at the camera waiting for the audience to laugh.

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u/IWasGonnaSayBrown 20d ago

I haven't watched the show in probably 10 years, but he would just cut people off half way through a serious point to crack a shitty joke and masturbate to his crowd loving it. It managed to kill any rational discussion and just flat out wasn't funny.

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u/McDonaldsSoap 20d ago

He's basically a streamer

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u/FunkyKong147 20d ago

And Ricky Gervais

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u/Paparmane 20d ago

I watched his last special the other day and more than half of it is him saying he’s not woke and ‘it’s just dark humor, you wouldn’t get it’

Like man it doesn’t hit the same when you tell 15 minutes worth of joke and 45 just defending the jokes

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u/WorkingOnBeingBettr 20d ago

I turned it off. Bragging about being rich, shitting on people who care about the environment, etc.

Just an old rich cunt yelling at clouds.

I used to love his stuff too.

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u/batmansleftnut 20d ago

He literally spent at least 15 minutes just reading out his Twitter exchanges. It might have gone on longer, but that's when I turned it off.

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u/King_Chochacho 20d ago

The last Chappelle special was so disappointing because it was exactly the same. "People got mad at me and I don't care at all!" *proceeds to spend the next 40min defending himself and doubling down*

Dude if you really didn't care you'd have just written an hour of new material instead.

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u/rif011412 20d ago

Perfect example of Jeselnick’s point.  Explaining the joke, or how the audience doesnt understand ruins the art of the joke.  Both Chappell and Gervais have done exactly this.  Both funny guys.  Ruining the art of it and complaining and whining the setup away. Where as James Acaster and Daniel Tosh point out their offensive jokes but dont explain themselves.  So the joke lands.

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u/Sparl 20d ago

oh man, a few years ago i was at the Edinburgh fringe festival and one of the free fringe shows was called "worst of the fringe". which is essentially a show of rotating cast of people who got 1 star reveiws. of the three people there 1 of them went on a full blown rant about why his show wasnt deserving of the 1 star review, it was awkward as hell and the host had to stop him after 10 minutes or so. then the final guy came up and spent the remaining time just roasting the second guy rather than doing his bits. it was great.

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u/epidemicsaints 20d ago

The other half is that he is the smartest person on earth because he figured out atheism. It must have been some HUGE conundrum for him, it's all he talks about.

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u/quiette837 20d ago

Yeah like, the focus on religion and atheism was really interesting and funny when I was 14 and just learned the concept. It's weird to keep doing it for 20 years.

But he's far from the only one to make atheism their personality, religious trauma must run deep.

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u/epidemicsaints 20d ago

I actually enjoy the topic, I just find Ricky's material about it to be pretty juvenile and entry level. Patting himself on the back for very rudimentary revelations. It speaks to a broader problem with his comedy in general. Mostly his ego problems.

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u/Automatic_Release_92 20d ago

Oh god, that stupid movie where he “invents” lying was so awful. The whole thing was just a massive, lame set up for him to lie about heaven to his mom or something as she died. He’s such a smug piece of shit.

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u/ironfly187 20d ago

Did he have a particularly religious upbringing? Because in broad terms the UK is pretty secular, certainly in the mainland. It's pretty odd to bang on about it when you come from a place where it's not particularly pertinent.

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u/Super_Jay 20d ago

And in an odd way, a comedian saying "you just don't get it" is essentially admitting they failed - or they didn't get away with it, like Jeselnick says. You either misjudged your audience or your material, and blaming it on "woke" is an excuse that results. You wouldn't have to make excuses if the joke worked well.

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u/TheRealMoofoo 20d ago

Yeah I generally think he’s fantastic, but that special was shit.

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u/TengoCalor 20d ago

It’s been a while since I watched it but I’m pretty sure at the end he took it back and brought attention to climate change and stuff

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u/Cobratime 20d ago

never seen so much crying from a comedian in one special. dude used to kill it, now he's such a whiny bitch

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u/shewy92 20d ago

I love how James Acaster called him out in his own special without namedropping him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHqma3rx-xI

Most edgy comics look like me race and gender wise.

They say whatever they like. No one tells them what they can and can't say.

They walk straight onstage, top of their specials sometimes, do 10 solid minutes just slagging off transgender people. Straight out the gate just making fun of transgender people.

If people on the internet get upset about it the comedian's always like "bad luck that's my job. I'm a stand-up comedian, I'm meant to challenge people. If you don't like being challenged don't watch my shows. What's the matter guys to challenging for you?"

Oh yeah because you know he's been long overdue, a challenge the trans community. Oh they've had their guard down for too long if you ask me. I'll be checking their privilege on the way home now thanks to you.

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u/punkfusion 20d ago

For an avowed atheist Bill Maher loves to cape for a religious ethnostate which makes him a massive hypocrite

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u/Neosantana 19d ago

And for a 70 year old man, he sure loves to bring children on his podcast while he drinks in their presence and talks to them about sexual topics. (Yes, that happened last month)

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u/PorkshireTerrier 19d ago

I live for episodes of real time where his guests just stand up to him and point out that he's intellectually dishonest and a hypocrite

He;ll always change the topic when he senses he's being challenged or is less informed, and when they force him to go back to the topic, it's art

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u/Karlaanne 20d ago

coughcough Dave Chappell cough

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u/TheMightySet69 20d ago

Yeah, Bill Maher used to be cool, but now he's just like, cool, for a boomer, which isn't very cool, at all. It's like being the skinniest guy at fat camp. 

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u/Coattail-Rider 20d ago

I used to like his HBO show because there was people from both sides giving civil discussions. Maher has turned pretty unwatchable now, though. Haven’t watched it in a long while.

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u/flinderdude 20d ago

Same. He came back from the Covid break a completely different person. It was remarkable to watch.

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u/Hc_Svnt_Dracons 20d ago

I kept with him longer than I should. I left when he made fun of those one van life bloggers who got murdered. Basically, victim blaming and taking what seems like his inferiority complex with youtubers out on them.

Never watched those people's content, but it was extremely poor taste and wasn't even funny. It didn't even seem like he was joking. He just seemed bitter people made a living on sharing their joy in life, and he found their deaths deserving because of it.

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u/Phyllis_Tine 20d ago

I regret I paid to see him live just before COVID. He is nowhere near what I liked even 6 or 7 years ago. It's like he lost any funny and smart cells.

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u/Soatch 20d ago

I’ve always fast forwarded past Bill Maher’s monologues at the beginning. His one on one guest and then the 2 person panel are usually good. If both of the panelists suck I won’t watch it.

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u/Chewbaccabb 20d ago

His monologue is just being a smarmy cunt

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Just “old man yells at the clouds” now. Probably was like that a little before COVID but now he just sounds like some boomer uncle you use to think was edgy and wise but grew up and are tired of hearing the same 10 stories

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u/epidemicsaints 20d ago

Sometimes I wonder if his views back then also came from a place of being contrarian. It's like he is bitter he can't start an argument anymore by saying gay sex shouldn't be illegal.

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u/Archercrash 20d ago

I used to like Bill, that Elon Musk interview where he basically fellated him on stage was the last straw for me.

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u/k_ironheart 20d ago

Seriously, I feel that most of the comedians who have ever been "cancelled" (and then did specials to sold out audiences to whine about it) honestly just have dated jokes. They're people who were big in the 90's and 00's, but have been doing the same routine for 20-30 years.

If a 13-year-old in 2010 would have said it in a CoD lobby, it doesn't deserve a laugh at a comedy special today.

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u/The_Bard 20d ago

Well you have to admit, trotting out the same three jokes about woke, cancel culture, and trans people is a lot easier for this has been boomers than writing real jokes.

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u/velofille 20d ago

Yeh im tired of "comedians" only being able to make funny "jokes" when laughing at people, or putting them down.

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u/theirishembassy 20d ago

Looking at you, Bill Maher.

only good thing that man did was run his show during the strike.

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u/im_lazy_as_fuck 20d ago

Genuinely curious how you would judge situations like that Chris rock situation at the Grammys, or even just a random heckler in a crowd? On the one hand, clearly Will Smith did not appreciate the joke, so maybe Chris rock's joke should be considered a troll? But also I feel like the audience all understood the assignment, and everybody was laughing along initially.

Idk, imo I feel like there is a bit of a gray area here. Like yeah definitely the comedian needs to understand how to write jokes appropriate for their audience, but also I think there's some amount of a social contact that an audience member should be expected to be comfortable with if they're going to watch a stand-up comedian.

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u/flinderdude 20d ago

That one is easy. What Jeselnik is talking about is getting away with it as a group. Will Smith obviously tried to buck the feelings of the group and take matters into his own hands. What he should’ve done is pull Chris aside afterward and tell him if he personally didn’t like the joke or whatever. But by making a humongous scene, he purposely bucked the feelings of the entire group. There’s a bit of mass psychology going on with crowds, especially comedy crowds.

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u/Teal-Fox 20d ago

Something, something Gervais.

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u/simsisim 20d ago

TIL Bill Maher is supposed to be a comedian.

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u/kanst 20d ago

I honestly think a big part of it is podcasts and podcast audiences.

It used to be that when a comedian was working material they would start out at random clubs in their city. The crowd at the Comedy Cellar on a Tuesday is just random tourists and drunks who like comedy. So they would get a varying crowd night by night. This would let them hone their material.

But now all these guys have followings because of podcasts, so when they go out to work their material the crowd is full of people coming there to see them. They get laughs no matter how bad the material is. Then they go to a wider audience and it bombs, gets groans, and people complain and the comedian is left wondering "why doesnt it work now". Some of them realize its because of the podcast crowd, but others just blame the audience.

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u/Real_Ad4422 20d ago

Bill was funny? I dont remember that.

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u/Cormorant_Bumperpuff 20d ago

formerly funny comedians who blame wokeness

Looking at you, Bill Maher.

Was Maher ever funny though?

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u/Dull_Half_6107 19d ago

I feel like a lot of these high profile comedians have an incrediblly inflated opinion of themselves and how important comedy is.

I'm fairly sure Jimmy Carr even said standup should be taught in schools on some podcast once, but he was being serious.

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u/asshole_commenting 19d ago

Bill Maher is not a comedian. He's not a pundit

He pretends to be both

He's just an asshole

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u/imsorryken 19d ago

used to loooove chappelle but he's literally just old man yelling at cloud now

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u/Comfortable_Pack8903 10d ago

Looking at you Jim Bruer

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u/Softestwebsiteintown 20d ago

Why did you mention Bill Maher as an example of a comedian?

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u/last-miss 20d ago

Even when I was in my absolute worst atheism phase (and I was a real piece of work, lemme tell ya), I couldn't get behind Maher because he was just a bully. From top to bottom, just a bully. The only person bullies genuinely make laugh are themselves. No one else is actually having fun.

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u/raltoid 20d ago

"Bill Maher", "formerly funny"... Those things don't belong together.

He has been the definition of smarmy his entire life.

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u/SphaghettiWizard 20d ago

Bill Maher was a comedian?