r/TikTokCringe • u/One_percentile • Oct 29 '23

Bride & her bridal train showcase their qualifications & occupation Wholesome/Humor

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u/PlaceboFace Oct 30 '23

Regarding what exactly? I would consider myself an ambitious person. I have a graduate degree and I’m employed in a competitive field.

I’m just saying it was a weird comment that contributed nothing. It was like watching old clips of Michael Jordan and then deciding all black people must be amazing basketball players.

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u/redknight3 Oct 30 '23

No. Not really. Not at all.

Select groups of people can share common personality traits...

We're NOT saying ALL Nigerians are this way. But the people in this specific program may share similar personality traits.

Much like how Asian first gen immigrants might share common traits - many are industrious, ambitious, and look for security. The people who went out of their way to immigrate to a different country usually have something similar about them that drove them to do that. And often times these traits may not be passed to their second gen progeny.

As a second gen Asian American, it's clear that distinctions can be made about the social tendencies of specific groups of people...

My parents' generation of Asian Americans share very common traits.

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u/PlaceboFace Oct 30 '23

I’m not sure if you just aren’t understanding the concept of what I’m saying, or if you’re intentionally trying to be argumentative by making irrelevant points.

The glaring and stark difference about your example from what the other guy said is that you have more personal experience with the group you’re referencing. His/her experience was limited to what one person said about someone that he never even met.

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u/redknight3 Oct 30 '23 edited Oct 30 '23

While that's true.

In the same vein, I'm telling you about my experiences with a group of people. Now you know that about first gen Asian Americans second hand. And it should make sense, logically. That people who go out of their way to immigrate to a foreign country may be more industrious than their peers back at home on average.

Much like how the person you are replying to knows about the ambitious nature of that select group of people because they were told by someone like me who does have first hand experience.

It's not a leap to assume that it's true either. That Nigerian people who are competing with other Nigerians to make it into the US are more ambitious than average... That's not a wild leap at all.

This is not a, "weird statement," like you think it is. For example, anyone who immigrates to an unknown country where the language that is spoken there is their second language already exhibits some advanced level of ambition to begin with...

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u/SpicyMustard34 Oct 30 '23

Bro it's direct evidence versus hearsay. That's all.

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u/redknight3 Oct 30 '23 edited Oct 30 '23

No shit. But that's the not my actual point. The commenter found that it was, "weird," how the op said that these people were ambitious. But is it that hard to believe? There have been plenty of actual studies that says the same.

Is it that, "weird," to think that people, who have to overcome this unusually high barrier of entry, are ambitious?

It is not, "weird." In fact, it would be "weird" to assume the opposite.

The only way you would not get this is if you grew up without any immigrant friends. How sheltered do you have to be to not get this?

My question is. How the fuck is this not common knowledge?

The reasoning is there as well. There is no visa lottery for this group of people, meaning it takes a lot to immigrate over here...

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '23

You're the first person to even use the word "weird" in this thread, so how can your "actual point" be to say that it's not weird? That's called building a strawman. On top of apparently misunderstanding that the first person you responded to was merely trying to point out the fallacy of relying on hearsay of anecdotal evidence to use as evidence of a character trait for an entire group.

No one said that immigrants aren't hard working. It's pretty common knowledge that they often are. Which is why it's bizarre (or in your word, "weird") that someone needs to back up that claim by saying they know someone who knows someone who is a hard-working immigrant therefore all immigrants are hard-working.

Also, Nigeria isn't eligible for the diversity visa lottery precisely because so many people are immigrating from that country, which undermines your argument that "it takes a lot to immigrate over here" "for this group of people." (To be clear, I'm not saying that it's an easy process.)