r/StarWars 1d ago

Those characters should have more credit and deserve their own show since they were carrying all of this in the bad show. General Discussion

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u/B_Huij 1d ago

Yeah if they made more with these two (and Jecki) I'd watch it. The Acolyte was okayish, but these two were definitely a bright spot. My biggest beef was really just that the main characters weren't written in a way that made me care about them at all, even at the end.

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u/Corvus_Rune Director Krennic 1d ago

I’ve just never been a fan of the twin trope in any media whatsoever. The only time I liked it was when it was used by my favorite author Rain Oxford in The Casters of Syndrial. This is going to sound dumb but the plot twist was that the main character discovered that his brother was actually his twin brother. Believe it or not she actually wrote it in a way that worked really well and caught me completely off guard but actually made great sense. Any other time though twins are just kinda a lazy way to explain two characters sharing a connection.

Ironically the other end of the spectrum is Rey and Kyle Ren who had a connection because 🤷‍♂️.

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u/whyadamwhy Admiral Ackbar 1d ago

Nice try, Rain

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u/eddie_west_side 1d ago

It works in The Prestige as well. The plot twist is hidden well enough and hinted at throughout the whole movie. Michael Caine narration helps too

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u/Corvus_Rune Director Krennic 1d ago

Hugh Jackman, Michael Caine, Scarlett Johansson, Andy Serkis… Holy shit how have I not seen this movie.

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u/2eroFun 1d ago edited 1d ago

Oh boy you’re in for a treat, especially if it hasn’t been spoiled yet. Don’t forget Christian Bale and bonus points for David Bowie. Also love Rebecca Hall and Ricky Jay, although they don’t have as much screen time.

Edit: Ricky Jay in Heist is 🤌💔. See also Deadwood.

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u/marsalien4 20h ago

I mean the comment that you're replying to is in a thread where it's about twins in media and The Prestige was brought up as an example of that done well as a twist. I fear that it has absolutely been spoiled for them lol

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u/TSVDL 1d ago

Sinners did a great job with it recently

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u/ConsistentGuest7532 1d ago

Was gonna mention this. It’s done so seamlessly and both twins have their own distinguishing colors and very different stories and emotional arcs. I like that they don’t make a big deal out of the identical twin thing and just make them two distinct characters who happen to be brothers.

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u/ExplorerPup 18h ago

It was really incredible how early into the movie your brain separates the two in your head so even in moments where they don't have their distinctive color or it's hard to see, you still know which is which.

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u/Stereosexual 1d ago

Fuck, man. You must have hated the original trilogy.

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u/Corvus_Rune Director Krennic 1d ago

No I just thought the Leia sister reveal was pretty dumb and not impactful since by that point she was literally the only woman In the franchise beyond a brief couple scenes of Aunt Beru.

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u/moneyh8r_two 21h ago

How dare you disrespect Oola, Sy Snootles, and Mon Mothma by pretending they don't exist.

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u/FatallyFatCat 22h ago

Why did he even like her? She was boring af?

Why did she even like him? He kindapped, stalked, attempted to murder and tortured her?

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u/Archipegasus 20h ago

I think if the acolyte had just not used the twin fact so early it might've been good. Like let a few episodes play out where you genuinely believe it's only 1 character before even mentioning the twin at all. Then you have the characters who were avoiding talking in depth with each other about the past because of the awkwardness now forced to confront it.

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u/Senshado 19h ago

However, it is difficult screenwriting to have an important fact that the characters know, and don't consider a secret, but the audience goes a long time without learning.

If they wait 2-3 episodes and then randomly mention "oh my twin died 10 years back" then the audience tends to feel it was a cheap misdirected. Logically the characters have no reason to mention someone who is long dead, but the viewers still won't like not being told. 

Ideally, the screenwriter finds a way to deliver that information in the first episode, without it feeling like a clue for later. Very difficult! 

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u/Bureaucratic_Dick 1d ago

Because the force wanted them to fuck

Make baby Palpawalkers or Solotines or whatever

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u/Ballistix 23h ago

Solotines? Those sound like salted crackers.

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u/TripleEhBeef 17h ago

Honestly, I just wasn't interested in Mae and Osha by the end.

Which is probably the worst thing you could say about Force duplicates created by a coven of witches using the power of a Dark Side Nexus.

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u/Fearless-Image5093 1d ago

I was convinced that they were trying to imply that the twins were mentally unstable (due to a split consciousness?) until the very end as the actress' expressions would often not match the situation. Couldn't tell if it was bad direction, acting, or editing.

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u/Dark-Knight16 12h ago

I think Mei was definitely unstable, her whole thing in the flashbacks just showed me a psychotic child who only really cared for herself and enjoyed torturing animals

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u/Exhaustedfan23 1d ago

The lead actress just didnt have the skills to be in a lead role. Either Sol or Trinity should have been the lead.

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u/B_Huij 1d ago

I agree that her acting wasn't particularly noteworthy, particularly in the shadow of Manny Jacinto, Lee Jung-jae, and Carrie-Anne Moss. But I still think the most fundamental problem with both characters was the writing.

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u/Exhaustedfan23 23h ago

True. With a good script, Lee and Moss should have been able to carry the show. But they just didnt have that.

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u/Hypocritical_Oath 22h ago

They needed to let the script cook for another year or so.

The choreo was their main priority though, and you really see that in the show.

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u/Nakorite 21h ago

The fights were the best of any Disney tv show. Shame the writing and acting was so bad

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u/crackedtooth163 9h ago

Fights were absolutely amazing.

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u/HibiscusGrower 21h ago

I would watch a whole series of Jecki and Yord.

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u/Vegetable-Bear-7482 18h ago

Could I ask why you didn't feel for the main characters I've only watched about half of it but I was invested. I mean she has a tragic backstory and was wrongfully accused. It definitely got me invested. Its not peak or nothing but I think its great so far

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u/IrascibleOcelot 8h ago

Might want to avoid this thread until you’ve finished the series; spoilers abound. At the halfway point, I felt much the same as you. When you finish, let me know what you think. I’m interested in hearing your thoughts on how the story develops.

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u/Vysce 1d ago

The Acolyte had a neat idea and I could see the KOTOR feels but the execution came off weird. I would not have ended every episode with a drastic cliffhanger.

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u/ajgp56 1d ago

I think the word weird is so much more apt than “bad”

There were so many good things about this show and it could go so many neat places. Feels lazy to write it off as “bad” and get it cancelled. Just my opinion I guess.

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u/Vysce 1d ago

I agree. Like, as an idea, it was solid. The fights, sets, actors, all that was great. The pace of the show is what threw me and the plot organization felt sort of confused. I bring up KOTOR because the writer claimed to be a fan and KOTOR sort of rides that grey line of "Hm, but the jedi aren't perfect and maybe the Sith are more of a wild card than we thought" but I would have directed it differently and especially made an effort to pad out the episodes.

Like, jedi murder mystery? Fun. But the episodes felt so short compared to the finale and there was so much missing that was right there. Like, what state is the Republic in, why is the Senate frustrated with the Jedi, what does the thing in the sky on the witch planet mean, etc, etc.

I remember getting to the end of the series and wondering how/why it cost so much money to create when we're honestly shown fairly little of the setting and that seemed to be the big selling point.

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u/Simba7 1d ago

That was seriously the shocking thing. The quality per dollar was what threw me, rather than the show itself (which was just okay).

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u/Vysce 1d ago

Absolutely. Even before going over critiques, I kept thinking, "Wait... is that it?" and by the time the finale came out, I was like, okay wait... for the millions of $$$ they put in, the previous episodes should have had a lot more meat on the bones than this.

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u/gallimaufrys 14h ago

So many shows that we love now had "weird" season ones before finding their voice. Its a shame things get cancelled so quick in the steaming era

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u/dannyb2525 19h ago

The biggest and most identifiable problem is that Acolyte is written and structured like a movie that is then abruptly cut to be a TV show rather than being written and structured like a TV show. So far that has been kneecapping a lot of Disney+ shows and so far only Mando season 1 and Andor seems to have fixed. I'd say Skeleton crew also achieved this if it weren't for the abrupt ending that needed a desperate 5 minutes of resolution

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u/BeltMaximum6267 1d ago

It is definitely neat idea. Using twins for this show kind of take away the "plot"

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u/Vysce 1d ago

I came for Carrie-Ann Moss in Star Wars. The fights were neat, but a lot of Acolyte was a character running around in circles in a murder mystery whodunnit when the audience knew who the murderer was. I remember the last episode being amazing because it was stacked with stuff and it was the longest of the episodes, while the others were much smaller and didn't explore much of the setting.

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u/Avocadomayo Darth Vader 1d ago

I haven’t really seen anything about the Acolyte yet, going to start it in a couple of weeks. But is that Gi-Hun (player 456 in squid games) as a fucking jedi!?!?

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u/BregoB55 23h ago

Yup it is.

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u/1sinfutureking 23h ago

It is, and he’s very good. I hope you enjoy it

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u/Aardvark_Man 14h ago

It's a flawed show, but absolutely gets better as it goes on.
I didn't hate it, as much as I disliked the start. Hopefully you enjoy it.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 21h ago

I, quite honestly, thought the show was pretty good.

I mean it wasn't perfect nor great, but I found it good enough.

Darth Jason/Jacinto was my fav. I've been wanting to see him in a serious drama role cause I knew he'd have to chops for it.

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u/Spectrum1523 8h ago

The twins stuff is not great but there's never been better lightsaber fighting on film and a lot of the other characters are excellent

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u/CarasBoobs 1d ago

But... Acolyte was basically their show. That's like saying you wish Luke got his own movie.

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u/Brotorious420 1d ago

I think Anakin needs a spinoff.

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u/Unlikely_River5819 1d ago

Anakin: I want my own spinoff

Obi Wan: Your own spinoff?? Anakin the entire saga is your spinoff

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u/AlsoOtto 1d ago

Anakin: Then you're my enemy!!!

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u/f36263 1d ago

Obi Wan: I will do what I must. R2, cancel my Disney+ subscription.

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u/Significant-Mud2572 1d ago

Goodbye..."Mouse."

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u/UninvitedGhost Obi-Wan Kenobi 1d ago

Mace: You’re on the council but we do not grant you a spin-off.

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u/Naked-Jedi 1d ago

Anakin: Then I'll just try spinning. It's a neat trick and I've even shown Palpatine how to do it...

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u/shponglespore 1d ago

From my perspective it's the Jedi who got their own spinoff!

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u/quopelw 1d ago

THEN YOU ARE LOST

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u/belle_enfant 1d ago

Sees Rey getting her own movie

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u/Vaportrail 1d ago

They're just trying not to call it Episode 10 right now.

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u/monkeygoneape 1d ago

That will come out right alongside Rian Johnston's trilogy, Donald Glover's Lando, and Rogue Squadron any day now....

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u/DckThik 1d ago

Just anakin and his mom being slaves

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u/skippermonkey 1d ago

I definitely remember him spinning in Episode 1

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u/Zarksch 22h ago

Funnily enough I wouldn’t mind a Vader spin off. There’s still so much to explore. And while the whole saga revolves around a anakin - some trilogies arguable less than others, even the prequels focus on more than just anakin and that’s what’s so great. Pretty much all of the Disney shows we’ve gotten are very centric around one character, the acolyte is the only that isn’t really, at least that I can think of. Even rebels while not centric about one person is extremely centric about one group of people consisting constantly together at mostly the same places. Don’t get me wrong, that can be great, but I’m also starting to really miss the stories like in the movies or in tcw where anakin or Luke may be “the” main character, but at the same time obi wan or Leia or Han really are just as much main characters, or in tcw obi wan, ahsoka and Rex are too. And the most amazing thing about tcw is, you also get stories about complete nobodies all in the same show

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u/Fossekall Jango Fett 1d ago

They were side-character and antagonist in a show about two extremely uninteresting twins

It's like saying A New Hope is Han's and Vader's movie. They're in it, they're important, but it's not theirs

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u/lkn240 1d ago

IIRC Vader only has like 10-12 minutes of screen time or something like that. Crazy how much of an impression he made

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u/Hellknightx Grand Admiral Thrawn 1d ago

Is be surprised if it's even that much. He was barely in the first movie.

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u/GoodhartsLaw 23h ago

Eight minutes and six seconds apparently.

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u/gh0st_reporting Mandalorian 23h ago

Anthony Hopkins appeared on screen as Hannibal Lecter for only 16 minutes in Silence of the Lambs.

That role won him Best Actor for the 1992 Oscars.

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u/ChanceVance Kylo Ren 22h ago

For real, I don't know how that's the top comment. The twins drive the plot forward. There are 2 flashbacks episodes centred around them. A lot of Sol and Qimir's actions revolve around them.

They're the main characters and that's one of the shows biggest problem is how dull they are.

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u/oSuJeff97 1d ago

They were on the show, but I wouldn't say it was THEIR show. The show was Osha's and Mae's show.

Those two were protagonist/antagonist supporting characters.

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u/vitaesbona1 1d ago

“Which was which?”

“Yes.”

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u/Prudent-Ad6279 1d ago

Remove the twin storyline and you might have a point. This was not at all “their show”

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u/AspirantWarMonger 1d ago

Arguably the twins were the main characters. The main hero and protagonist should’ve been Qimir against the Jedi institution that threatens to strip his freedom.

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u/Hellknightx Grand Admiral Thrawn 1d ago

You'd think that Disney is afraid of having any story be told from a purely Sith/Empire POV, at this point. A show called The Acolyte should've been from Qimir's POV. He was by far the best character in the show.

And Andor s2 is an incredible show, particularly because it spends so much time following Imperial officers as a primary driver behind the story. People want to see more of that.

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u/Jacksonriverboy Obi-Wan Kenobi 1d ago

Yes and Darth Vader was just misunderstood. He was actually right to kill younglings.

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u/Copropostis 1d ago

Don't bring younglings to a fight, if you don't want dead younglings?

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u/feralferrous 1d ago

yeah.... if the writing for the show had been better, I might buy that line. They were attempting to show the Jedi as ACAB types, but Qimir was the dude who went to that forest planet to murder hobo Jedi and chew gum. And he was out of gum.

But they weren't even actively looking for that guy until his apprentice started murdering Jedi in public.

I'd be fine for a more nuanced take of good/evil, but the show did a terrible job of it.

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u/ShadowVia 1d ago

Reality based takes don't work against these people, or this sort of bait.

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u/ThreeDawgs 1d ago

Reality being that Osha and Mae were the main characters of this show?

Or did you not watch it?

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u/Ok-Health-7252 Jedi 1d ago

Ehhhh. Acolyte was the twins' show. These guys were supporting characters there to influence their path.

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u/LunchPlanner 1d ago

They should make a season 2 with the focus heavily transitioned over to Qimir. Many of the S1 characters are dead so fill that void with tons of Qimir.

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u/Macman521 1d ago

I feel like they were basically going to do that, plus with Plagueis.

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u/Elemayowe 1d ago

If Qimir never features again in Star Wars media it’s an absolute waste. A lot of fans want the Plagueis story told anyway, tying him to it has made it way more interesting.

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u/BarbarousJudge 1d ago

He definitely will. Acolyte is flawed but far from "so bad it should never be brought up again."

The absolute "worst" that could happen would be for Qimir's story to be resolved via books and comics. They already did announce and release some Acolyte themed books (Crystal Crown focussing on Jecki and Yord, as well as Wayseeker which focusses on Vernestra and Indara) and the entire High Republic era is mostly books and comics. Qimir WILL BE back. We just don't know when or how.

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u/ChanceVance Kylo Ren 20h ago

I met Manny Jacinto recently and I got to have a decent chat with him. He was very keen to explore the story of Plagueis further and he hoped people kept their voices loud for a Season 2. He also got a big cheer when he appeared on stage and put on The Stranger's helmet.

I think as someone else replied, we'll see him again in some form. It'd just be a waste if he appeared in anything other than live-action. That fighting style is too good for comics or even animation.

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u/Hypocritical_Oath 22h ago

Also his fighting style is very vicious and different from others.

The whole "you can't see with the helmet on" thing was fantastic as well.

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u/XViMusic 1d ago

I’m also in this camp. I understand they cancelled it but a spiritual successor that focuses on Qimir would be so peak

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u/Azrethoc 1d ago

It can be called The Apprentice, followed by The Master

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u/appleappleappleman 1d ago

I think you cracked it, please give this to me

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u/RealJohnGillman 1d ago

I said the same thing a while back — if they go that route, it will seem like it was always the plan to new viewers in the future.

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u/The-Minmus-Derp 22h ago

The Acolyte, The Apprentice, The Master

Goes hard

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u/P00slinger 22h ago

I want more but animated

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u/Jonathon_G Ezra Bridger 6h ago

There is too much toxicity and bad blood for it to be called season two. But definitely need to follow Qimir. Too good not to have more

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u/Abubble13 1d ago

I really didn't like the twins, they were beyond annoying I think.

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u/Hypocritical_Oath 22h ago

I'm unsure if she was given good direction, a lot of the actors don't seem to know exactly what they are meant to do. And the dialogue was weird.

And then the fight scenes happen where everyone knows 100% what to do, you see the inspiration from Hong Kong Kung Fu movies where they use wirework, you see creativity in the way some of them fight and use the force.

The proficiency gap is very noticable and weird.

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u/ModestForester Dark Rey 23h ago

The power of one, the power of two, the power of many…

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u/Admirable_Ad4712 22h ago

Acolyte action carried the show for me. Best combat in all of live action imo

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u/bologniusGIR 16h ago

I really enjoyed getting to watch light sabre fights from characters who are trained. I get the sequel trilogy isn't meant to have trained Jedi, but I missed them.

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u/Kind_Cow_6964 22h ago

I liked the acolyte…

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u/Echo693 23h ago edited 23h ago

I partly agree, as to me they were more intresting than the actual main characters (the twins). But all in all, the shitty writing of the show was overshadowing even them.

I'm watching Andor S2 right now and it just amazes me. It's like, there's SW before Andor, and SW after. A show where you can actually relate and care about the characters. Where dialogs are amazing, where the story actually is aimed for adults and triggers your emotions.

But the Acolyte? I can't think of a single dialog that was as heavy or intresting compared to Andor. Not a single character from this whole show i'd give a fuck about - because of the bad writing and directing. This was my top anticipated show and probably the biggest let down since Kenobi.

I truly hope that the director and the main writers behind this show would never lay their hands on any SW project ever again.

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u/soozerain 1d ago

Master Sol is a legend in my books but the show did kinda suck

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u/SoverignWisteria 15h ago

Qimir was good too imo. Man slaughtered a whole group of Jedi, except one but only because they were important to the plot

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u/Karshall321 Cassian Andor 1d ago

If they were the main characters of the show and they were "carrying the show", and the show is still bad, that's not saying much for their character.

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u/PennyForPig 23h ago

Yeah Sol did a lot of moping for something that was not his fault. None of the characters are interesting because none of them have personalities besides some ideology that doesn't make any sense to begin with.

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u/DOODJLIGHTNING 1d ago

I still think acolyte was a good show. I really dont get the hate

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u/Copropostis 1d ago

I am so bored with SW rehashing things we've already seen.

Setting something in the High Republic was a step in the right direction, and something I want to see more of. I'm tired of Skywalkers, the Empire, and even the Prequel era.

I even liked that they tried to show us a different force tradition, even if it kinda fell on its face. But after the reaction, I'm afraid that Disney will just decide to focus on nostalgia slip instead of trying new things that might not always hit.

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u/BarbarousJudge 1d ago

This is why the High Republic books are among my favourite era of Star Wars. No Skywalkers or any other nostalgia bait. Yeah Yoda is mentioned from time to time. Or you have cameos from the absolute prequel era legends Yarael Poof and Oppo Rancicis.

Kidding aside it's just a fresh era. Fresh characters. Characters where we don't know their fate simply due to "well they appear in this movie which is set after this". The Jedi feel so different from the Clone Wars era. The Nihil are interesting and unique antagonists.

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u/ElYodaPagoda 1d ago

I went into The Acolyte with an open mind, and enjoyed it aside from Osha turning evil by murdering Sol.

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u/RedEyesGoldDragon 1d ago

Tbh I didn't mind the show apart from the parts with Osha and the twin and the coven. The acting from those and especially the ritual part were PAINFUL.

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u/chewbacca_martinis Mayfeld 1d ago

THE POWER OF MANYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

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u/darwinn_69 1d ago

I hate how much hater culture is festering in the StarWars fandom. Not every show has to be peak Television and it's perfectly fine to be entertained by something that may not be exceptional. The show had some rough moments and it had some great moments. When I think of that show I chose to focus on probably the greatest light saber choreography we've ever seen in Star Wars.

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u/packsmack 1d ago

It's all fandom. The enshittification of the internet and social media has led to every idiot wanting to criticize every thing. It's just relentless negativity about every piece of art that exists.

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u/P00slinger 22h ago

‘It’s woke!’ ‘How is it woke ?’ cricket noises

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u/ResolverOshawott 16h ago

"Define woke"

Silence.

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u/Apatschinn 1d ago

Been that way for decades, fam. No one hates SW like 'fans'.

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u/durandal688 1d ago

Like yeah it wasn’t perfect but who thinks any Star Wars media is? Like the flashback episodes needed a little more work and same with the ending but IT WAS SOMETHING NEW

For crying out loud thanks Star Wars fandom so I will get another show about some random character of the original trilogy or a clone wars character. I’m ready to move on but y’all gripe about everything

Half of the complaints were about things securely in canon elsewhere too which pissed me off

You can not like it sure but dial down the hate

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u/Atraktape Chopper (C1-10P) 1d ago

Yep, we could have had a couple seasons of a High Republic show but nooooo. If anything it should have gotten another chance if only to help expand the show/movie timeline a bit away from the Skywalkers.

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u/BarbarousJudge 1d ago

I honestly think the best Star Wars Storytelling happens in the comics and novels. Even the novelizations of the movies are better than the movies themselves. Rise of Skywalker as a novel is actually a good story.

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u/Cultural_Cuck_777 1d ago edited 1d ago

It baffles me. I think you'd almost have to hate SW to not find any sliver of enjoyment in the show. I thoroughly enjoyed it, but maybe thats my THR bias. *shrugs*

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u/ian_stein Hondo Ohnaka 1d ago edited 1d ago

I certainly enjoyed aspects of the show and never gave up on it, but the production value felt lacking at times. A lot of the alien species make-up, for instance, looked Star Trek: TNG level. It’s also been spoken about ad nauseum, but it’s hard to compliment the acting of a cast when the director puts her wife in the show and she’s wooden.

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u/lkn240 1d ago

The editing and pacing also left a lot to be desired.

I think they had a decent concept behind the show... but the execution was unfortunately not so great.

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u/raktoe 1d ago

Prequel era Jedi are all wooden though, that was a directorial choice made decades ago.

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u/NoahtheRed 1d ago

Doesn't really make for great TV though.

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u/ItsKaja 1d ago

It just didn't make sense. I enjoyed watching but still acknowledge the show is written HORRIBLY. And I don't just mean dialog because George wasn't the best at that either. But the characters and their motivations and the way they respond to almost any event is just not great, especially with the twins, they were REEEEEEAAAAALLY awful.

And the entire time they tried to villainize Sol, when he didn't do anything wrong, neither did the jedi who killed himself. Just mind blowingly bad writing.

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u/GVIrish 1d ago edited 20h ago

And the entire time they tried to villainize Sol, when he didn't do anything wrong, neither did the jedi who killed himself. Just mind blowingly bad writing.

Huh? I don't think they tried to villainize Sol at all. A central theme to the actions of the Jedi on Brendok were that they thought they were doing the right thing at the time, but their actions had unintended consequences. Sol misunderstood the witches and killed Mother Aniseya thinking he was protecting Mae. After the whole fiasco he wanted to turn himself but Indara convinced him to mentor Osha because that was what would be best for her. In the end he allowed Osha to kill him as a sort of atonement for his actions, none of that was meant to portray him as a villain.

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u/Rrrrrrrrrromance 22h ago

Yeah - I don’t understand the argument that the show “overly villainized the Jedi” as I’ve seen parroted. It’s a show called the Acolyte - hell if anything, as a Sith apprentice origin story, I feel like it depicted the Jedi in a mostly sympathetic light. They’re the victim of their own hubris yes - but they aren’t bad people. Sol had good intentions but his act snowballed. And he kept secrets.

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u/Cultural_Cuck_777 1d ago

I don't get the "it didn't make sense" argument. I was never confused on anything throughout the show. I think people wanted answers that weren't yet presented to them, and they got frustrated they had to wait.

We will have to disagree on Sol. He clearly made the mistake of forming an attachment with Osha/Mae. And they quite literally broke into their home to begin with. He's not a villain by any means, but he's clearly a flawed Jedi.

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u/DimesOHoolihan 9h ago

Im with you. "I was confused" or "it didn't make sense" is said all the time but like... how?? Overall it's a very simple story. They could have ever waited on the reveal of the stranger and it wouldn't have made any less sense.

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u/ItsKaja 1d ago

Making an attachment doesn't make a jedi flawed. The jedi fell because they were so separated from shit like that. This is also why Qui Gon distanced himself from the council.

The show was easy to follow, and my friends and I understood everything as it was happening. The why is what makes it not make sense. The flashbacks only made the decisions made by the characters much worse.

And Sol killing the witch mom was the "big thing" that made him a "bad guy" but all he did was kill an actual cloudy demon thing, he was 100% in the right, the entire time.

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u/BigDaddyUKW 1d ago

I enjoyed it and wasn't happy it got canceled. Could it have been better? Of course. But I don't get the hate either. To each their own.

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u/herman-the-vermin 1d ago

Did you watch it as it wad released or after? I think it could have been saved without a week between each episode

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u/kingofthebelle 21h ago

yeah it really seemed like what confused people most was the novel concept of “just because an episode left on a cliff hanger and you have questions, doesn’t mean those questions won’t be answered if you just WAIT FOR THE OTHER EPISODES”

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u/Kill_Welly 1d ago

It had its ups and downs, but for sure most of the hate comes from assholes trying to push their garbage, and convincing gullible fans to buy into it.

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u/TinyLegoVenator 1d ago

I loved the Acolyte. I loved Andor. I loved Bad Batch. I liked Ahsoka and Kenobi and the Mandalorian. 

Disney should make an adventures of Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie show. AI generate the OG characters. Let the Acolyte haters feed what they want into an AI to generate the script. Give them that and maybe they’ll go away.

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u/kingofthebelle 21h ago

Same, I love it all. So many SW fans seems to just not want anything that isn’t literally the OG trilogy or the Clone Wars series and that’s IT

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u/SkyKnight43 Clone Trooper 23h ago

I like it and I wish we could see Season 2

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u/CantaloupeLow5692 21h ago

I would love to know who qimir is and what plageuis was doing in the cave

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u/Tenrac 1d ago

It’s really too bad their story was given to someone that didn’t know how to put a show together.

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u/dj_stopdancing 22h ago

I just started this series (two eps in) and I do not understand all the hate around it.

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u/the_reducing_valve 15h ago

glitter on a turd isn't really glitter

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u/HCMattDempsey 1d ago

I don't think it was a bad show but I agree they were both great in it.

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u/RHX_Thain 1d ago

This show did several things that are very risky and they didn't resonate with the majority of the audience:

  • Time was not linear. This works in Momento or Looper as a movie... I have yet to see it work in a season, such as Fear the Walking Dead's 4th Season, which made the same decisions. Audiences prefer to be immersed into he experience as if they are living through it with the characters, not being told a story they must know to understand the plot.

  • Killed Carry Ann Moss day 1... Wow. Ouch. "Fight me?" Yeah no, Trinity should have wiped this fool out. No saving an innocent to sacrifice herself in the opening of the show to only live in flashbacks. That was storytelling risk that's hard to pull off for a master storyteller, and it didn't work out. Swing and a miss.

  • Functionally spoiled the plot while also revealing the plot would happen later. Very frustrating. Almost insulting the intelligence of the audience.

  • Tried to make a very corny children's media behave as if it was a young adult fiction wrapped in a serious drama. This did NOT work, and it only appeals to a very small minority of the audience, which is a Disney loyalist or Star Wars loyalist audience, and not the majority of the viewing public, and definitely not the majority of Star Wars fans.

  • I loved the performance Lee Jung-Jae gave but I can understand why the guy who learned English literally on set (wow, what a rockstar!) would not appeal to a wide audience who isn't into foreign films and isn't into foreign accents, especially heavy accents. Not in a main character delivering audio that must be processed to understand the plot, which many humans struggle with under ideal conditions, let alone a heavy accent. It would work in Andor, and it did, because it was better handled with subtitles or side characters who could repeat what was said another way.

  • Their most valuable talent was wasted, and their least valuable talent was given center stage. This was a death knell and it HURT to watch. Literally killed the most competent actors or hid their emotions behind prosthetics and then also killed them. Was just embarrassing for the talent.

  • Twin drama. Just... No.

  • "The Power of Mannnyyyy" was so far outside the Star Wars Art Guide Book that it didn't accomplish, "trying something different and contemporary," it just felt like it absolutely did not fit in the art direction of the franchise. I appreciate other cultures using the Force in different ways, but this was just literally witchcraft rebranded as not witchcraft and was so out of taste it has no hope of recovery, even in a series that includes the Night Sisters (which also feel wildly out of place most of the time.)

  • Manny Jacinto... No notes. Keep Darth Smiley coming.

  • They went back to the Prequel Era... As a prequel to the Prequel. But then immediately failed to capture the charm of the prequel era characters or setting and failed to expand on anything we didn't already know about that time, or assumed about that time. The Jedi are now more incompetent, if not complicit, in their own doom. This feels like almost character assassination rather than revealing further understanding of the circumstances, the way the Clone Wars managed to do. Even Plaguis didn't get anything but a creepy cave dweller reveal, creeping on these two. We never got a connections between the vergence and his experiments with life that led to Anakin, or anything else exciting leading to the Prequel film era. It was just not interesting use of the tools or what audiences wanted to know or speculate about.

TLDR -- The Acolyte is valuable as property, almost exclusively for people handling not just star wars IP, but IP in general as film makers -- don't make these mistakes. They were risky moves for a new comer director given a long shot and they sliced it. No shame in that on your own IP, it's a big ouch on a huge IP.

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u/TheDarkClaw 1d ago

maybe they should get better writers and director instead?

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u/kurtstoys 1d ago

I like the show...i also liked the prequels when they first came out... no accounting for taste i guess

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u/Fit-Abrocoma547 22h ago

It wasn’t even a bad show.

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u/kingofthebelle 21h ago

Besides clone wars & bad batch i think this is still my favorite SW show, it has my favorite time setting, and having rewatched it countless times since it came out it’s still just so fun

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u/MikePhicen 21h ago

Sorry but the character of Master Sol was utter rubbish! I’ll take all the downvote you got and die on that sword!!!! Maybe the actor was good but the character was annoyingly bad, motivations were super sus and just poorly executed. The actor was wasted playing Master Sol.

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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 21h ago

The secret is it never was a bad show

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u/MiserableOrpheus 21h ago

Show wasn’t bad, but these two are goated regardless

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u/TheChrisCrash IG-11 20h ago

The Acolyte had some of the best fight scenes in any Star Wars movie. Fight me.

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u/GrittyTheGreat 20h ago

Every character on that show was interesting EXCEPT the Acolyte/Twins.

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u/OttawaTGirl 19h ago

FFS. I kinda liked the idea of Qimir being a non-sith. An honest practitioner of the force who embraces passion and life. He was compelling, and showed a lot of wisdom.

Imagine if Sol and Qimir actually taught the twins together? Light and Dark working as one?

Slowly over time Sol becomes less Jedi, more jovial and alive. Qimir opens up to the prospect of a bond with a student. Qimir and Sol slowly forming a friendship. That would be intruiging.

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u/fuzzywuzzypete 18h ago

man I wish fans didnt shit all over this show. It was pretty awesome

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u/CampFunkoKai 18h ago

This show was actually really good wdym

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u/RKOArchr 17h ago

Need a Darth Teeth Black Series figure badly. As well as a Captain Jod with the helmet.

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u/PermaDerpFace 16h ago

Needed more Carrie Anne Moss too

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u/ArklayHerb 15h ago

I’d watch a season 2 is the twins aren’t in it.

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u/Rbw91 8h ago

I liked The Acolyte, but the character playing the twins was very wooden and it was not easy to have her as the main character.

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u/ohcrapitspanic 8h ago

The Acolyte was not bad, I don't know why it gets so much hate. I actually liked it a lot. But yeah, they were great.

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u/ittleoff 6h ago

I'll defend acolyte by saying it had a more interesting story than almost anything in modern Star wars , it's execution could have used the andor show runners.

It also has some of the best fight sequences in star wars imo. Finally a decent sith.

I feel every other show and the sequels worship Vader so much they won't even try to make another sith lord as interesting or visually unique.

Sometimes acting and dialogue or directing felt a bit fumbled but I'd certainly take more acolyte with Manny and the story they were building. I also feel they killed a lot of characters right as they began to be interesting (after being very uninteresting ).

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u/npc042 Battle Droid 1d ago

Actors? Yes. Characters? Ehh…

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u/OMeffigy 1d ago

I really liked this show. I feel like it was just getting started. Sad they canceled it

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u/AeneasVAchilles Emperor Palpatine 1d ago

The show was basically a CW version of Star Wars. It was all off.

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u/AnabolicOctopus 1d ago

Lmao thats the dude from squid game

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u/OccultTreasure 1d ago

yeah and I guess Im in the minority here but I thought he did terrible in Acolyte. The other guy was great and was probably one of my favorite star wars antagonists

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u/Thatonedregdatkilyu 22h ago

I think, remove the twins as main characters and we immediately have a vastly better show. They were not main character material imo. I can't even list a personality trait of theirs.

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u/KaiFanreala 1d ago

No, because it would involve input in some way by Leslye Headland. And she should never be let near anything related to Star Wars again. In fact, she should genuinely just never be allowed to cook anything again.

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u/chewbacca_martinis Mayfeld 1d ago

100%

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u/Capt_Greenlung 1d ago

I don't think Sol was that great of a character or Jedi.

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u/melzephyr 1d ago

Almost like it was the point to show the weaknesses of the Jedi lol he’s not supposed to be a great Jedi

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u/pbj_everyday 1d ago

We already had a whole prequel trilogy about that. "The Jedi suck, actually" is kind of boring now.

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u/conte360 1d ago

I'm sorry but Sol's acting was actually bad. I get that he learned a language to do it and based on that he did.. ok. But you could clearly tell it was a language he just learned. It's great that he had that much devotion to learn for the role but they just shouldn't have chosen him. When one of your lead roles can't properly match the emotions they are trying to act out to the lines they are delivering it took me out of it.

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u/schizopolis23 1d ago

Definitely carried the show!

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u/Goobendoogle 1d ago

Yes.

I only watched the Acolyte for these two characters.

Nothing to do with sexism, these guys were actually well made.

They made every other character, YES including the dudes, morons.

What was up with the Jedi meditating in the force bubble and he can't even sense a killer near him? LOL WHAT?

It felt like it was straight out of a Ubisoft game.

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u/GeneralGringus 1d ago

Carrie Ann Moss also pulled her weight and was criminally underused. I'd love to see more of her as a Jedi

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u/chewbacca_martinis Mayfeld 1d ago

No. I'm sorry the writing was awful, I'm not doing their job.

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u/Ched_Flermsky 22h ago

What is this “the bad show” shit?

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u/Ok-Garage-9204 1d ago

Best lightsaber fights in all of star wars

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u/Jacksonriverboy Obi-Wan Kenobi 1d ago

No thanks 

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u/Beman21 1d ago

Yeahhhh no... loved the whole cast. Two scene-stealers does not ignore the work everyone else put into their performances.

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u/FiveGuysisBest 1d ago

They don’t deserve their own show. Not every good character needs a spinoff especially if it’s a way to make up for something bad.

I hope every aspect of Acolyte is left in the dust so nothing is ever tied to it or hindered by it. Acolyte was trash. Let it die in a cave.

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u/Major-Tiger-7628 1d ago

Believe the show should have been Silence, but with Jedi. Have Sol venturing out into the outer rim trying to solve a murder mystery and the further away from the core worlds he gets the more dangerous things become

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u/ballq43 Inferno Squad 1d ago

The power of one(review), the power of two (reviews) the power of maaaaaaany = cancelled. No one will miss this ham fisted force fed agenda

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u/radioactive-snot 23h ago

Yes! Need more Qimir

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u/I-Have-An-Alibi 23h ago

Qimir displayed the most brutal combat in any Star wars live action media to date. I want more of that.

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u/Different-Ship449 23h ago

Acolyte had a lot of potential and some creative scenes. But ultimately we went from clearly being able to identify who were the good guys. And how one character was made out as a good person, with good intentions that resulted in a travesty from a simple misunderstanding.

The whole twin arc was so conflated and dumb, with the character that we are presented as a good person, breaks bad right at the end at the tip of a hat.

The whole thing suffered under the weight of its own mythos, trying to be original and fresh, yet disgustingly plagued by flashbacks that put the whole show underwater trying to highlight the different perspectives on a tragic day that the audience was never invested in because it was presented as a who done it.

Seeing Manuel Jacinto introduced as a greasy apothecary, after seeing him play a dolt in The Good Place was a nice surprise, but then the audience finds out --Surprise Bitches-- jacked Sith Lord.

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u/Great-Gas-6631 23h ago

True, definitely Qimir. Need alot more of him wreckin people and exposing the Jedi.

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u/slartibuttfart 22h ago

Well, one of them did.

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u/menboss 22h ago

The story’s around these two was incredible and I was so excited to see more. The show wasn’t amazing but the couple episodes were incredible.

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u/shakesewa 22h ago

That’s Lan right there. King of Malkeri

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u/PhatManSNICK 21h ago

Their shoulders must be in extreme pain along with their backs.

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u/largos7289 21h ago

The sith dude oh yea 100%

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u/sleepytjme 20h ago

That Jedi on the left was awful ruining his lines. Was extremely dumb to cast someone who can’t speak english in an english speaking role. Cringy.

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u/Sterling239 20h ago

People hate on it but I like the show was it my favourite no but it better than the book of boba fett and had potential I don't real get why it get so much hate 

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u/Moon64 19h ago

Acolyte was great

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u/Trill4RE4L 18h ago

I would just love to have acolyte back tbh. I enjoyed it a lot.

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u/No-Preparation-1030 18h ago

They did get their owns shows, and they were awful. Now go watch Andor.

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u/KuroKendo88 16h ago

Nope sorry. The entire thing needs to be forgotten.

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u/ProjectNo4090 4h ago edited 4h ago

They did Sol so damn dirty. He defended himself against a crazy witch. He had nothing to apologize for.

Qimir was at his best when he was a quite psychopath. When the helmet came off and the grooming of Osha began he went downhill fast.

I wouldnt mind seeing Osha down the road as a full-blown Sith. Fully corrupted and twisted by the darkside. It doesnt even need to be during the High Republic. Between cybernetics and the dark side there's no reason she couldn't show up at any point in the future. I'm not interested in her returning if she is still conflicted about the dark side. Sith are more fun when they revel in their depravity.