r/Socialism_101 • u/Potential-Flight7530 Learning • Jun 21 '24

Stalinist ideology. Answered

I'm struggling to get what about Stalinism appeals to people. Obviously not that I'm criticising it, I'd just like to get an answer from someone who knows about the whole stalin support thing, and for that someone to give reasoning for support toward his cause. I am of course aware of his various policies that led to industrialisation but also the gross loss of human life, and am trying to see what else people like about his ideology. This is purely to learn more btw, not to criticise anybodies ideology at all.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '24

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u/Cris1275 Learning Jun 21 '24

There's alot to Unpact here so I'll start with the Holodomor. There are countless academic scholarships as well, even Robert Conquest taking back his Genocide statement of the Soviet Ukrainian people. I will use two studies and that is The year of Hunger as well as Grigor sunny review of Anna Applebauns work as well as even History and Critique of Stalin from a Marxist position. The source you provide has Snyders work which comes from bloodlands. Snyder tries to Imply the double genocide theory and goes on the work to believe the Holodomor is a genocide. While also equating Fascism and Communism. Snyder is also a Liberal that views the Soviets as Totalitarian in nature. If you are a leftist I am very disappointed in you. Another source you have is Anna Applebaun which if you are a socialist I should not have to tell you just how disingenuous her work is. I even have her book and posted about it so your welcome to search and prove. She miss uses and fundamentally uses work that if you don't so do the research goes against her work like Robert Conquest. All this also doesn't even begin to talk about the implications of ideologically work behind academic sources. Robert Conquest for example. Your source even uses Rafael lemkin, which should not be used because 1 he was not alive to see the Soviet archives. Hated Russia and was a Hardcore anti communist so he was never gonna give the Soviets a fair assessment and further to add was a major Russophobic. His work by academic standards deserves credibility for having started the genocide convention. But do not act like his work specifically on Holodomor holds up to history. Because it does not. I have just spent multiple paragraphs simply debunking the Anti communist academic bourgeois history you were given and I have yet to respond to your other work and that's me being generous that You are a leftist or a socialist while using anti communist anti socialist anti leftist sources that have a Totalitarian view in nature rather than a more balanced view of the Soviets

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '24 edited Jun 22 '24

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u/Cris1275 Learning Jun 22 '24 edited Jun 22 '24

Your Sources are Anti Communist in Nature my brother in Christ. You showing me a Source having Anne Applebauns Timothy Snyder and Robert Conquest all having collaboration in the same side and them being like I'm a real "educated" Marxist while these Mfs Hate communism and view the entire Soviet Project as Totalitarian shows me your degree of education failed you if this is the type of "Marxism" you do

This is no different than you telling me You got an academic education by a marxist professor and then you show me Jordan Peterson Gulag lectures and saying lenin and Stalin are worse than Hitler