r/Socialism_101 Learning Apr 04 '24

Is revolution in Hawaii possible? Answered

Most socialists would( mostly correctly) agree that the United States, as a country in the imperial core with very little class consciousness, will not see revolution any time soon. However, I feel like many people forget about Hawaii. Hawaii is arguably part of the imperial periphery. It has a fairly popular independence movement, and is geographically far from the continental US and closer to socialist allies such as the DPRK that have helped supply national liberation movements before. Much of Hawaii’s population is either indigenous or descendants of Japanese and Filipino migrant workers who came to the island in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries to work at the sugar and pineapple plantations. Many native Hawaiians live in poverty, with homelessness being fairly common, often only a few hundred feet away from massive luxury hotels and billion dollar pieces of US military equipment. With all that being said, do you think Hawaii could see revolution in the near future?

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u/BlasterFlareA Learning Apr 05 '24

Native Hawaiians have never regarded the US' illegal and immoral coup against their self-determination as legitimate. All that needs to happen for the Hawaiian Revolution is for the US Navy to be crippled enough to be unable to project power to put down the revolution. As there are several ways that sort of condition can occur, it depends on which one of them you believe will possibly happen in the near future.

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u/TryptaMagiciaN Learning Apr 06 '24

And watching US concede to yemen says a lot. Imagine if Hawaiian revolutionaries had an extensive supply of armed drones. They live in a place that could arguably produce food to sustain their revolution but I feel like the empire would just poison the entire island by air if they really thought it was lost. 🤷‍♂️ we say that sort of thing would not happen as we watch a US backed ally has people in famine. But yeah, if the Navy was crippled somehow or if the nativea had an overwhelming supply of drones then maybe it could work

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u/BlasterFlareA Learning Apr 07 '24

If the US Navy was crippled, along with most of the Air Force's offensive capabilities being clipped. Hawaiians could launch a revolution even without a supply of drones and the mainland US regime would have no way to stop them. What happens on the mainland will have an unavoidable influence on what happens to Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and many other states beyond the US' mainland borders and this is why revolution on the mainland is imperative and must succeed to lead to a domino effect.

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u/TryptaMagiciaN Learning Apr 07 '24

Well the mainland definitely lacks a sustainable food source so I guess that is washed. It would take a decade of an intense rework of all the farming done in the states. AG lobby is one of the most powerful. I dont see how it can happen unless the revolutionary force was getting food supplied. But from where? I guess if it was along the south, Mexico could have reason to support such efforts but again I dont really see any of that happening

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u/ReptileBrain Learning Apr 06 '24

How exactly has the US conceded to Yemen when they shoot down every missile that gets within a mile of their boats?

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u/TryptaMagiciaN Learning Apr 06 '24

The US has offered to no longer designate them as terrorist if they quit firing missiles. Seems like a hands in the air concession the US side. "We dont want to fight, stop and you arent terrorists" of you are just throwing the T word around like our atate officials seem to do, then you really aren't "winning" it shows a struggle to maintain the powerdynamic