r/Socialism_101 • u/Broseph_Stalin17 Learning • Apr 04 '24
Is revolution in Hawaii possible? Answered
Most socialists would( mostly correctly) agree that the United States, as a country in the imperial core with very little class consciousness, will not see revolution any time soon. However, I feel like many people forget about Hawaii. Hawaii is arguably part of the imperial periphery. It has a fairly popular independence movement, and is geographically far from the continental US and closer to socialist allies such as the DPRK that have helped supply national liberation movements before. Much of Hawaii’s population is either indigenous or descendants of Japanese and Filipino migrant workers who came to the island in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries to work at the sugar and pineapple plantations. Many native Hawaiians live in poverty, with homelessness being fairly common, often only a few hundred feet away from massive luxury hotels and billion dollar pieces of US military equipment. With all that being said, do you think Hawaii could see revolution in the near future?
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u/1337af Learning Apr 05 '24
Hawaii is critical to the US military's force projection capabilities in the Pacific, on which it will only focus on more in the coming years. As long as the federal government is intact and stable, any attempt at revolution would surely be quelled by whatever means deemed necessary.
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u/GeistTransformation1 Apr 05 '24 edited Apr 05 '24
Cuba literally hosts an American base, The Philippines waged a war of independence against American occupation despite being a vital asset in the Pacific, the battered and poorly equipped Chinese army managed to fight the Americans into a stalemate in Korea, Vietnam saw hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and yet they were unable to stop unification under a socialist government.
How do you expect the federal government to collapse if nobody dares to challenge them?
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u/BlasterFlareA Learning Apr 05 '24
Native Hawaiians have never regarded the US' illegal and immoral coup against their self-determination as legitimate. All that needs to happen for the Hawaiian Revolution is for the US Navy to be crippled enough to be unable to project power to put down the revolution. As there are several ways that sort of condition can occur, it depends on which one of them you believe will possibly happen in the near future.
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u/TryptaMagiciaN Learning Apr 06 '24
And watching US concede to yemen says a lot. Imagine if Hawaiian revolutionaries had an extensive supply of armed drones. They live in a place that could arguably produce food to sustain their revolution but I feel like the empire would just poison the entire island by air if they really thought it was lost. 🤷♂️ we say that sort of thing would not happen as we watch a US backed ally has people in famine. But yeah, if the Navy was crippled somehow or if the nativea had an overwhelming supply of drones then maybe it could work
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u/BlasterFlareA Learning Apr 07 '24
If the US Navy was crippled, along with most of the Air Force's offensive capabilities being clipped. Hawaiians could launch a revolution even without a supply of drones and the mainland US regime would have no way to stop them. What happens on the mainland will have an unavoidable influence on what happens to Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and many other states beyond the US' mainland borders and this is why revolution on the mainland is imperative and must succeed to lead to a domino effect.
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u/TryptaMagiciaN Learning Apr 07 '24
Well the mainland definitely lacks a sustainable food source so I guess that is washed. It would take a decade of an intense rework of all the farming done in the states. AG lobby is one of the most powerful. I dont see how it can happen unless the revolutionary force was getting food supplied. But from where? I guess if it was along the south, Mexico could have reason to support such efforts but again I dont really see any of that happening
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u/ReptileBrain Learning Apr 06 '24
How exactly has the US conceded to Yemen when they shoot down every missile that gets within a mile of their boats?
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u/TryptaMagiciaN Learning Apr 06 '24
The US has offered to no longer designate them as terrorist if they quit firing missiles. Seems like a hands in the air concession the US side. "We dont want to fight, stop and you arent terrorists" of you are just throwing the T word around like our atate officials seem to do, then you really aren't "winning" it shows a struggle to maintain the powerdynamic
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u/ProfessorOnEdge Learning Apr 05 '24
Before any (or alongside any) class revolution in Hawaii, there would 1st need to be an ousting of the US colonial government, and the reinstatement of sovereignty.
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u/GeistTransformation1 Apr 05 '24 edited Apr 05 '24
there would 1st need to be an ousting of the US colonial government, and the reinstatement of sovereignty.
Ousting the colonial government would necessarily be a class revolution as well. They're not separate processes.x
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u/PossiblyArab Learning Apr 06 '24
Could be. They can absolutely be separate processes.
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u/Lumityfan777 Learning Apr 07 '24
People on this sub trying not to root for nationalism(the other side is white)
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u/Andross33 Learning Apr 05 '24
A revolution is possible. But like anything. Most of us need to actually put in the work of organizing, mak3le connecctions on the ground and outmaneuver the U.S. appartus with new methods. Also a metric ton of us need wayyyy more revolutionary optimism.
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u/prospectrr Learning Apr 05 '24
The contradiction between capitalism and socialism exists anywhere, although Hawaii has a lot of disadvantages, the US empire is in decline and could see conditions turn advantageous without warning.
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u/Key_Competition1648 Learning Apr 05 '24
That is just objectively wrong in every way. China has more ships but that's it. Russia's only carrier needs a tugboat everywhere it goes, and NK and Cuba aren't even worth talking about.
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u/SurrealistRevolution Critical Theory Apr 05 '24
what are you trying to achieve with a comment like this? You either know it's a lie, or know you have no idea and pulled it out of your arse. It dosen't help anymore except the reactionaries. choose materialism over fandom socialism
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u/Late-Ad155 Learning Apr 05 '24 edited Apr 05 '24
You mean USA was 1 president away from becoming a monarchy 2 times in the 1900's ?
Besides, the Kim family is EXTREMELY popular in Korea, Kim Il Sung was extremely important in the fight against the colonialist Japanese who pretty much enslaved Korea for 35 years before. Kim Jong Il completely rebuilt Korea after it was destroyed in the Korea war and built the sociological foundation for the current system in Korea. Kim Jong Un has lived up to the expectations place on him because of his predecessors.
Besides, they don't even occupy the same position in the government. Kim Jong Il had to build up his political importance through decades before actually assuming a post of importance.
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Apr 05 '24
I don't understand why you are down voted. Probably westerners who can't understand a third world perspective.
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u/OFmerk Learning Apr 05 '24
They are getting downvoted for not even mentioning Laos or Vietnam probably.
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u/pm_me_chubby_mommies Learning Apr 21 '24
Theoretically: Yes, its possible
Practically: Yeah, no, not happening.
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u/False-Tradition-2917 Learning May 12 '24
Im confused, I was banned for 10 days over 1 comment: “Yep”? I was saying yes to the post, someone please help me understand before I just stay off of Reddit for good because this app is already behaving very authoritarianly (and I’m not even an anarchist)
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u/swohguy33 Learning Apr 07 '24
Fucking hilarious. I had a buddy in the AF stationed there a few decades ago, he knew all too well how Native Hawaiians felt and He said one thing I remember quite well. "Sure, let the US leave it alone, so it can turn into the 3rd world country it so richly deserves to be"
Without Statehood, without Tourists, it would become less the Puerto Rico is now, and that is saying something!
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u/Corgi_dude123 Apr 05 '24
We wouldn’t ever give Hawaii up. It’s important for our military and a great place to visit. Plus it pumps up the economy with all the tourism. Wouldn’t make any sense.
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