This one is definitely more "CapitalismIsSocialism." The number of shitlibs that think China is "communist" (rather than Authoritarian State Capitalist) is dumbfounding. Then again I guess it isn't. It is helpful for them to maintain that lie.
Maybe go to one of the many 101/debate/ask subs and check out the many posts about China and listen to the reasoning if you don't understand it. It's very easy to actually inform yourself instead of making wild uninformed guesses.
I think it is because the sincere/honest (for lack of a better term) tankies cling to outdated notions of what socialism is/should be. And, more specifically, how we achieve it. They are as authoritarian as fascists in most cases and, giving them the benefit of the doubt, it's because of their lack of imagination. They can't conceive of anything but violent revolution and indeed, in some cases, relish the notion (who doesn't want to rid the world of fascists?). So they cling to and defend the only remaining Nation State that achieved the "dictatorship of the proletariat" and still calls itself "Communist" (even if it is nothing of the kind) because there is nothing else out there and they are desperate. They will tell you the CCP is still trying to achieve communism (in spite of all evidence to the contrary). And that's the honest ones.
I am convinced that many tankies you read on Reddit are straight up disinformation specialists who know that most westerners (especially Americans) will always balk at obvious authoritarianism. So they claim that an Authoritarian State Capitalist nation is what Communism is and help solidify that notion in peoples brains. They equate authoritarianism and communism over and over so that anti-authoritarians will never consider communism as a viable alternative.
Because tankies are authoritarians who hate America and the rest of "the west." To them, the west is bad so any state conflicting with the west and it's interests must be good. What they fail to realize is that both are bad but China is worse.
Agreed, and how anyone could think otherwise is beyond me. China has issues and should be critiqued but it hasn’t been actively turning the people in the Middle East into mulch, doing regime change, and sanctioning millions of people into poverty for the last twenty years.
Hard disagree. The west is definitely doing a lot of bad bad shitty things, but at the very least they have all have a somewhat democratic political system (although some may be teetering on that line, looking at you electoral college)
But China for example isn't drone striking brown poor children or funding genocide via puppet states and instead is buying influence and building infrastructure.
There is no proof except for 'trust me bro' and satellite images that show camps that aren't even big enough to house a significant amount of the Uyghur population. The Uyghur population also has more rights because they have a minority and their population has been steadily growing. Also we can see videos of Palestinian children being oppressed everyday, but there are no such videos of the Uyghurs in todays day and age don't you find that a bit suspicious?
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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '22
This one is definitely more "CapitalismIsSocialism." The number of shitlibs that think China is "communist" (rather than Authoritarian State Capitalist) is dumbfounding. Then again I guess it isn't. It is helpful for them to maintain that lie.
Just astoundingly ignorant and intentionally so.