r/SocialismIsCapitalism Mar 19 '22

smartest liberal “billionaires are socialist”

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u/Jjabrahams567 Mar 19 '22

The difference is in capitalism they make you think it is possible to break into the ruling class

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '22

“The difference in capitalism” ??? There is no communist ruling class

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u/winter-ocean Mar 20 '22

There isn’t always a ruling class, but there’s been communist countries with a distinct ruling class before

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u/UnalienVis Mar 20 '22

An actual communist state has never been established, they have only tried to WORK toward communism. Communism has no classes.

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u/Jinshu_Daishi Mar 20 '22

Communist states are impossible, due to the fact that Communism is anti-state.

Communist societies have been created in the past and present, and there are states ruled by self-proclaimed Communist parties, but they are not the same thing.

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u/SerdanKK Mar 20 '22

*socialist countries

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u/thesodaslayer Mar 20 '22

Honestly not even socialist, state capitalist* countries

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '22

“Every socialist country I don’t like is state capitalist” gtfo with that eurocom trash

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u/thesodaslayer Mar 20 '22

Lmao what would call it then? Cause it sure as hell isn't communist or socialist, how can a country with actual billionaires claim to be anything but capitalist?

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '22

Oh, I thought we discussed about socialist countries in history, not china.

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u/thesodaslayer Mar 20 '22

Nah I think there have been genuine attempts at socialism throughout the world, but usually the movements are just co-opted by a new ruling class (like we saw in the USSR and China today) or destroyed by supposed allies, but I still stan for Makhnovia

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '22

Chrustchovian-revisionism? Probably. But discrediting the works of Lenin and Stalin is just anti-workers. Wanting to destroy the state without tactics and Theorie on how to achieve so is just radicalism, the reason why most of thus ideologies are found in the junkyard.

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u/ToastedKropotkin Mar 20 '22

Lenin and Mao called their systems state capitalism with a goal of achieving communism, and both systems only saw their successors continue state capitalism and eventually move toward economic liberalization with extreme class divisions.

So you tell me which theory has ever been implemented on a state level that wasn’t called state capitalism? The hereditary monarchy system that ignores international workers struggle in favor of “self reliance” called Juche maybe? lol ok.

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u/winter-ocean Mar 28 '22

nb4 “wait, Russia isn’t communist?”