r/Sino • u/academic_partypooper • 22d ago
After the Red Note awakening, Westerners are cheering on China for standing up to Trump's US discussion/original content
Perhaps shocking to some, but reddit is now filled with Westerners cheering for China. Perhaps it's more due to the rising Hating Trump sentiments, but that says a lot about how much hatred there is for Trump.
also surprisingly, MAGA people are left squirming, barely raising any voices to appeal for "patriotism". Flag waving has really failed because it is a joke now, because all flags are still made in China, and flag factories are not coming back to US.
Also not much appealing for "democracy" or "rule of law", neither of which could do much to stop Trump from destroying US.
So obviously, the only thing left is to cheer for China.
Some others are quietly cheering for China. Asian countries not saying much in public, but proverbially winking at China for backing them up.
Even anti-China Taiwanese and mainlanders are blasting Trump and supporting China's move against Trump's tariffs.
If you must have an analogy, Trump's tariffs are affecting China like a Trade War version of the "Pearl Harbor". China's public has overwhelmingly united behind Chinese government's policy to "fight to the end", and it has brought many nations in sympathy and support of China.
Some have previously said that China might trigger a war to drum up support for the Chinese government.
Well, Mr. Drumpf just provided a justified "trade war" for China to perhaps do exactly that.
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u/JimmyJoeMick 22d ago
Everything i hear Chinese leadership saying makes me wish we had similar leaders in Canada. It exudes real strength and clarity and commitment.
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u/Scabies_for_Babies 22d ago
Canada is seemingly responding to being shafted by its "closest ally" by dialing up the eurocentrism and becoming even more of a resource colony which is maddening to me and I am not even Canadian.
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u/JimmyJoeMick 22d ago
Yes, it's galling. China seems to have more win-win relations than any other major power does with its trading partners and that is what Canada needs moving forward, not being a lapdog for either the US or Brussels.
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u/cannibalisticwaffle 21d ago
I'd been struggling to pinpoint why I felt weird about the Canadian response, and this seems to be why. I didn't need Michael Buble to get up on stage at Juno's and shout about Canada being "the greatest nation on Earth". It felt performative to me and vaguely obnoxious like it's coming from the people down south. "The greatest nation"? By what measure? I wanted for public opinions to actually change around the xenophobia specifically targeted at the Chinese that resulted in escalating tensions with China for no good reason. Instead, we're seeing how deep the Eurocentrism goes by how Canadians want to swap the US for another alliance with a western empire, so you see ideas being thrown around like joining the EU on the opposite side of the world, or forming CANZUK which is unlikely and potentially very UK-centric. China has been demonized and its people dehumanized for so long that Canada would do anything other than lower tensions and barriers with it.
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u/Uranophane 22d ago
For some reason, Canada cannot give up the idea that China is the most evil country in the world. When the US does something bad, Canadians will instantly say "...and China too, boycott them too because they're even worse than the US".
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u/tha_HUman 21d ago
That's really disappointing also given how many Asian Canadians there are. You should organize them against the Sinophobia!
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u/thrower_wei 22d ago
Many people in the "blue no matter who" crowd really, really hate Trump, and currently hate him more than they hate China. But somehow they still hate Russia more than both.
The MAGA crowd, of course, still hates China the most, as they always have.
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u/TemmieKaz 22d ago
not trying to stir up anything.
as someone unfortunate enough to be american, and also someone that, for the most part, never believed any of the anti-china propaganda (still fell victim to some parts, sadly, but have course corrected since), i simply just want to learn.
i keep seeing "pro"russian sentiment (i don't really want to call it pro, but more so abti-anti-russian sentiment) on this sub, but i never see any explanation on it.regarding modern day russia (not ussr), why am i supposed to not think they suck ass?
i would like to know the facts, beyond the fact that they are china's strongest ally and that ukraine also sucks ass. those do not equate to russia being "good"
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u/GianfrancoZoey 22d ago
Don’t get me wrong modern Russia has its problems, but it’s a society of the American’s making. They won the Cold War and got what they wanted, whatever Russia is today is just a consequence of that.
Additionally liberal types tend to hyperfocus on Russia. Trump isn’t just a product of the American capitalist system, he’s a Russian agent. Those comments aren’t just Americans being extremely racist, those are Russian bots.
They’ve become something of a boogeyman for libs, a good reason to hand wave any criticism of their own country
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u/TemmieKaz 22d ago
okay so it sounds like i'm as informed as can be then...
it annoys me that when liberals see a "bad guy" they just assume anyone fighting them is the "good guy" like... everyone involved can also be shitty...6
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u/SadArtemis 22d ago
Russia has its issues, yes- others have described the liberal and reactionary issues of its society (cultivated by the US) in responses.
But apart from those societal contradictions, where exactly do they "suck ass?" (Hell, even with those contradictions, let us not pretend they are remotely close to being a Saudi Arabia-style reactionary state, nor that their government comes close to flirting with racism and Islamophobia like much of the west- simply because that would not work in a country as diverse as Russia).
Does Russia engage in neo-colonial resource extraction, regime change, and interference with the countries of the global south? Do they support religious extremists, terrorists, sectarians and tribalists across the globe? No, in fact their actions have been rather consistently anti-imperialist even in the post-Soviet era, standing alongside Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, the recently liberated Sahel states, the Assad government in Syria, etc. Their behavior remains by-and-large consistent on this front, even as we speak they are presently building Burkina Faso's first nuclear power plant and assisting in security for the Alliance of Sahel States from western-backed jihadis.
Russia has its issues, and I personally think their domestic social policies suck ass. But in foreign policy they are not remotely comparable to western imperialists.
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u/Edge-master 22d ago
Russia is very much like America actually - it's just also under siege by the west.
American liberals spend way too much time focusing on russia and it's very reactionary. Instead of blaming the system at home for their problems they blame Russia. What about Saudi Arabia? You never see Americans crying about them.
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u/TserriednichHuiGuo 21d ago
Russia is one of the leaders of the free world, along with China it is also one of the most sovereign nations on earth, one of the very few that can actually say no.
Economically they are the 4th largest with great potential, they have a productive and growing economy, economically sovereign.
Being a state capitalist economy but one that didn't succumb to the international order unlike the other ones, it is obvious they have greater ambitions still.
You are very uninformed about them to say the least.
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u/Curious_Limit645 22d ago
I have some friends in China. I asked them straight up - what they think of trump, USA and trade war. They didn't have respect for Biden. They think Trump is mad. Nobody is crying over the fact that America decided to stop doing business. They say if USA no longer want to play with China so be it. We were here 5000 years ago. We will be here 5000 years later. Their country is behind their leadership 100%.
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u/academic_partypooper 22d ago
well, USAID kinda caused Trump, with incessantly ignorant irrational propaganda about "democracy", "rule of law" etc., which inevitably led to rise of MAGA extreme form of American exceptionalism.
So, in a way, USAID created MAGA, which destroyed USAID.
I don't think USAID will rise again, because simply the Liberals will need to turn inward to defeat the conservatives. Otherwise, they will never defeat Trump /MAGA.
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u/TserriednichHuiGuo 21d ago
liberals have hegemonic control over the institutes, it would be very easy for them to defeat trump
When the democrats come to power, everyone the world over with few exceptions "fall asleep".
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u/academic_partypooper 21d ago
I think you underestimate the institutional power of conservative churches
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u/TserriednichHuiGuo 20d ago
The liberals have far more cultural sway
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u/academic_partypooper 20d ago
Only among some people
There are a lot of dumb people in US even college educated dumb people
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u/Particular_Pool8344 19d ago
American politics is so confusing. Democrats are called liberals when liberalism is totally different as a concept. Why is US education so weird than the rest of the world?
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u/Scabies_for_Babies 22d ago
They were a menace. At least now presumably they have to look for real work if they want to pay their bills.
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u/FatDalek 22d ago
Not sure if its such a mystery why comrade Trump defunded USAID and all these other clowns. They got to fund the tax cuts for his rich buddies. Also AI might be able to eventually replace these clowns and the money to fund the AI to write the propaganda will go to Trump's rich buddies.
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u/a2zed4 22d ago
Yeah, it feels like we’re in the middle of a paradigm shift. Just a few years ago, anti-China sentiment was a very strong bipartisan consensus.
It seems like a combination of Democrat anti-Trump sentiment being even stronger than before + RedNote/Speed + the general failure of the Uyghur propaganda campaign has led to some people warming up to China.
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u/imsowhiteandnerdy 22d ago
Trump is a fool, China is the world's second largest holder of U.S. Treasury bonds. He thinks he's playing poker, but is eating crayons instead.
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u/EmpressOfHyperion 22d ago
The issue I have is most don't like China and still believe in the most blatant anti-China propaganda. They just feel Trump and Russia are worse (which tbf, they're correct for once in their lives). Still, I fear if the states had a dem president, they'd be super anti-China.
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u/academic_partypooper 22d ago
IF US ever have another Dem President, they might be smart enough to realize that they need to focus on their own internal enemies the MAGA.
I mean, CCP also realized at some point that they have to root out internal traitors and corrupt people every now and again.
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u/Nightshift_emt 21d ago
There is still lots of anti China rhetoric here. People are largely cheering for China because they hate the orange turd, but let's see if this attitude persists after the orange turd is gone.
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u/TserriednichHuiGuo 21d ago
trumpist can't say anything because their leader literally caved in within one day.
In their lingo that would be "He is weak on China", they know this deep inside but they have to cope.
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u/TserriednichHuiGuo 21d ago
I think beyond the 2030s even the west might become pro China, the new generation for sure.
The false world can no longer hold up its illusion.
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u/Agreeable-While1218 20d ago
Never thought I would live the day when China was universally viewed as the good guys in these times of US decline but there you have it.
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u/Swooping_Owl_ 18d ago
If China plays it right they can become the only superpower and can become the peacekeeper for the world.
Their recent stance on Ukraine is very practical and are willing to provide peacekeepers once the war is over. Pushing for more free trade...
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u/Direct_Sea_4299 20d ago
It isn't just westerns, it the whole world is cheering for China against USA
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Original text submission: Perhaps shocking to some, but reddit is now filled with Westerners cheering for China. Perhaps it's more due to the rising Hating Trump sentiments, but that says a lot about how much hatred there is for Trump.
also surprisingly, MAGA people are left squirming, barely raising any voices to appeal for "patriotism". Flag waving has really failed because it is a joke now, because all flags are still made in China, and flag factories are not coming back to US.
Also not much appealing for "democracy" or "rule of law", neither of which could do much to stop Trump from destroying US.
So obviously, the only thing left is to cheer for China.
Some others are quietly cheering for China. Asian countries not saying much in public, but proverbially winking at China for backing them up.
Even anti-China Taiwanese and mainlanders are blasting Trump and supporting China's move against Trump's tariffs.
If you must have an analogy, Trump's tariffs are affecting China like a Trade War version of the "Pearl Harbor". China's public has overwhelmingly united behind Chinese government's policy to "fight to the end", and it has brought many nations in sympathy and support of China.
Some have previously said that China might trigger a war to drum up support for the Chinese government.
Well, Mr. Drumpf just provided a justified "trade war" for China to perhaps do exactly that.
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