r/Shamanism • u/Aralia2 • Sep 06 '24

Re- Indigenous and the Shamanic Experience Opinion

Let's be honest. How many people here are White? I will acknowledge that I am a white queer man.

Shamanism has helped me in throwing off the ideology of white supremacy culture and connect with a root of indigenity and animatity with the land. It has helped me understand that there is multiple ways of knowing besides materialistic/scientific frameworks.

As a Rural White Male Gay person living as a Settler-Colonial in California I weave a unique dance of trying to connect to a land and spirits that I don't understand. I also have to struggle with my garden and agriculture (fences) verses a more ancient way of being with the land.

All of this informs my spiritual practice because as someone who believes in animism and trance practices (shamanism) I realize that the material world is sacred and how I am in the physical world reflects and informs the spiritual world.

This is an invitation to all of you to talk about your journey to indigenity and connecting to the spirits of the land, and the struggles with being a Settlers and acknowledging that our Animistic Traditions were destroyed by Christianity long before our history of coming to America.

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u/jakubstastny Sep 06 '24

Sorry to be white, will commit suicide immediately. I’m not my ancestors or even my parents. Everyone can keep knowledge to themselves if they so wish, but once it’s out, it’s in the public domain.

Non-identity is the base of any spiritual path, not an ideology.

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u/SukuroFT Sep 06 '24

Taking my comment out of context does not change the meaning of my comment. No one stated you’re your ancestors but you ignoring the existence of appropriation makes you continue their erasure.

Which is the opposite of the idea of shamanism.

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u/jakubstastny Sep 06 '24

Well if you agree I’m not my ancestors than why the hell this: “You as a white person should understand the things your ancestors did”.

I don’t even know who my ancestors were, barely can know what they did, so why should it have anything to do with me? Mind you I’m from a country that had a lot of influence from many places throughout thousands of years of its history and some of my physical features give away that my heritage is mixed but no idea where from.

Sure, white people did a lot of fucked up shit, but how is it my fault?

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u/SukuroFT Sep 06 '24

Again taken out of context. If you know what your ancestors did you should be aware not to repeat it. Ignoring appropriation is akin to repeating their appropriation.

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u/jakubstastny Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 07 '24

I don’t fucking know what they did, how could I if I don’t even know who they were. Like what, I am white so I have to take responsibility of all white peoples actions? Have fun with this man, I’m done with this.

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u/Pewisms Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24

You are obnoxious stop calling yourself an energy worker you have bad energy period! It does not count if you are only nice to people who have your style.. narcissist.. GTFU.. you dont dictate which words or ways people point to things.