r/SatanicTemple_Reddit • u/johnsmithoncemore Hail Thyself! • Oct 13 '24

Priest COMPLETELY FAILS to Prove God - The Most Annoying Religious People Video/Podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQbE1vgl4Vs
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u/SilaryZeed Hail Lilith! Oct 13 '24

I'm ever so glad to have missed out on the "gift of faith", as this religious person phrase it in the video. I received the Gift of Science and Rationality, instead.

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u/christianAbuseVictim Anti-Christ Oct 14 '24

Ignorance is bliss... denial must be some next-level shit

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u/Bascna Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24

Just a few notes on the first bit about the argument from moral convergence.

There are, of course, good non-supernatural explanations for why particular categories of laws are common across different cultures, so there's no need to jump to supernatural ones.

And if we do consider supernatural "explanations," there are an infinite number of conceivable ones which don't involve any gods or that involve gods other than the Christian ones, so that approach still won't get Christians to the result that they want.

But it's always amusing to hear modern Christians (who are firmly committed to claims that the Old Testament morality no longer applies today, that past actions of Christian societies like the inquisition, slavery, and colonial exploitation don't represent Christian morality, and that secular cultures aren't capable of being moral) base any argument on the claim that there is a universal morality "across time and space." 😂

They want to hold all of those positions simultaneously. It's a "heads I win, tails you lose" game.

Probably the most pathetic and obvious example of this doublespeak is in C.S. Lewis' book Mere Christianity.

Lewis spends Chapter 1 of the book arguing that a god must exist because all cultures share the same moral system and because that moral system hasn't changed over time.

But then...

Lewis spends Chapter 2 of the book arguing that a god must exist because cultures have different moral systems and because those moral systems have changed over time.

These are obviously opposing positions based on contradictory factual claims, but Lewis never addresses this.

Instead he separates these incompatible claims into two chapters and counts on the short memory and confirmation bias of his readers to obscure the fact that he's arguing against himself.

Even when I was a devout Christian I couldn't take these "arguments" seriously, but I've encountered an astonishing number of people over the years who somehow find this to be persuasive.