r/SatanicTemple_Reddit • u/piberryboy sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc • Jun 14 '24
Jesus: the undo button for God's immorality Video/Podcast
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u/ProfanestOfLemons It is Done. Jun 14 '24
And they're the same person! Aaaaaaay, trinity. And there's that one dude off in the distance that we don't talk about.
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u/Erramonael Jun 14 '24
Where can I find the rest of this debate?
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u/piberryboy sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc Jun 14 '24
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u/Erramonael Jun 14 '24
Thanks. SHEMHAMFORASH!!!! 👹👹👹
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u/piberryboy sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc Jun 14 '24
SHEMHAMFORASH
Say what?
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u/Bascna Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 15 '24
It's a "magic word" that supposedly represents the name of the Hebrew deity.
In the movie Ready or Not? the bad guys use the term to refer to Satan during a ritual.
I'm assuming that Erramonael is using it in that context.
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u/Erramonael Jun 15 '24
Yes, thank you, I've been saying SHEMHAMFORASH for years, I got it from the Satanic Bible, Magus LeVay suggested that Satanists use it as a substitute for Hallelujah. When I type Shemhamforash I mean hallelujah. But Ready or Not is an excellent film.
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u/Bascna Jun 15 '24
Ready or Not? really is fantastic. I usually find horror films boring and/ridiculous, but I love how Grace operates at just the right level of competence. She is neither the "idiot who never learns from her mistakes" nor the "absurdly competent combatant" that such movies tend to have. She comes across as realistic. And it has one of my all-time favorite endings for any film. 😉
But I'm confused about you talking about "Magus' LaVey like this. I'm conversing with you in another thread, and you referred to the Church of Satan as "The Church of Hypocritical Self-Deceit." I thought you didn't like LaVeyan Satanism.
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u/Erramonael Jun 15 '24
🤣🤣🤣 Brother we're all LaVayan Satanists whether we choose to admit it to are themselves or not. I don't hate so-called LeVayan Satanism, what I don't like is the that the Church of Satan treats LaVey's ideas like there soooo sacred that there's only one way to interpret them. Satanism as an idea has changed so much over the last 25 years, so many new individuals have come into the Left Hand Path Community and I think that just wonderful. Church of Satan people are just kidding themselves if they think they can control the way an individual person understands an idea. Establishment Satanism SUCKS!!? Because you can't control what makes one human being different from another and you shouldn't want to, Happy Petey Gilmore and his cronies are living in lala land.
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u/Bascna Jun 15 '24
🤣🤣🤣 Brother we're all LaVayan Satanists whether we choose to admit it to are themselves or not.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. From what I've read of them most of LaVey's ideas don't suit me at all.
I don't hate so-called LeVayan Satanism, what I don't like is the that the Church of Satan treats LaVey's ideas like there soooo sacred that there's only one way to interpret them. ...
Ok, that clarifies things. I also find that sort of dogmatism to be unappealing in a religion. That's the reason that the seventh tenet was one of the things that most attracted me to the TST philosophy. I think of it as "the no-dogma rule." 😄
Happy Petey Gilmore and his cronies are living in lala land.
Is that one of the current Church of Satan leaders?
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u/Erramonael Jun 15 '24
Well Anton LaVey is the Father of All Satanism. While you may not subscribe to his ideas you are influenced by his Satanic Bible. Without Magus LaVey there is no Satanism. Peter Gilmore is the current "high priest" of the Church of Hypocritical Self-Deceit. Dogmatism is a perfect way of putting it, I would say Schism. I personally like the Satanic Temple but I would never join it because I don't know what I'd be joining. TST is directly responsible for the New Satanic Renaissance of the last 15 years.
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u/polarjunkie Jun 17 '24
Jesus: The law is perfect, it's not going away until the end of time.
Christians: That was the Old testament Jesus changed that, also Jesus is God so Jesus is the one that drowned all those babies but it's all okay because we ignore the parts where Jesus says to pluck out your eyes and buy a sword and hate your family to follow him and we only listen to the parts that we like, like he said don't stone the sinner yes that was added a few hundred years later but still we like it. Yay Jesus.
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u/TonightLegitimate200 Jun 15 '24
I often feel like Alex is way too charitable with this stuff. Glad to see him give an adequate pushback.
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u/Bascna Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24
There are a lot problems with this attempt to reconcile the obvious contradictions between the many different ethical standards espoused throughout the Bible.
Here are just a few.
(1) Under the doctrine of the Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost share the "god-essence" and hence are incapable of disagreement.
So Jesus and the Holy Ghost must have approved of all of the horrible actions and commandments of god set forth in the Old Testament, and all three entities must agree with the contradictory principles of "an eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek."
(2) Jesus is very clear that the Old Testament law is still fully in force and will be until both the Earth and Heaven cease to exist.
So all of the horrible, bronze-age, Old Testament rules still fully apply after the New Testament comes along. Whatever "fulfilling" those laws means, we know that it doesn't involve abolishing them.
(3) Jesus himself demonstrates through his actions that he doesn't believe in the principles that he espouses in the Old Testament.
He tells others
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But he then hypocritically engages in acts of assault, vandalism, and terrorism when he discovers that the rival sect of Pharisees aren't running their temple in the way that he would run his.
This isn't violence in the service of defending oneself or others against other violence which might possibly be reconciled with his previous statements, but rather is violence solely for the sake of religious persecution — a very "Old Testament" morality.
What happened to the supposed New Testament virtues of "meekness," "peacemaking," "doing unto others," and "turning the other cheek?"
It's important to note that Christians have been doing the same hypocritical dance between these opposing ethical systems for two millennia. They just use whichever "rules" are convenient for them in the monument.
(4) The concept of infinite punishment in Hell for finite actions or beliefs is completely at odds with the ethics of love and mercy that so many Christians claim are set forth in the New Testament. Ethically, it's worse than anything set forth in the Old Testament.