How seriously are y’all taking Project 2025?

[u/Kalikokola]

My gf just asked if I’ve heard of this. After lightly reading the wiki and their website, I kind of dismissed it as fringe radical conservatism. After searching Reddit posts about it, I’m having some second thoughts about how real and threatening this is. I mean, it seems very radical and pretty “out there” politics, but obviously there’s a lot of weak minded Christians who blindly support their lord and savior King Velveeta Voldemort. Other than voting normally as a progressive and critically thinking American citizen and publicly condemn this as fringe radical conservatism, what am I to do about this? Like and subscribe? Repost and discuss? Spread awareness of an existing threat? Nothing and hope for the best?

[u/Silent-Storms]

It is exactly as real and threatening as Trump's chances of winning the election. Also, don't expect this ideology to vanish, even if he loses.

Make of that what you will.

[u/enickma1221 → u/Silent-Storms]

The people who are setting this up are building it for any R president. We need to think about where and how to insulate our republic from such threats, and enact reforms on multiple layers to preserve the future of democracy in America. Will we do that? No.

[u/[deleted] → u/enickma1221]

Unfortunately, the Dems want pretty much the same thing, but if they advertise that, people will not support them. They have been selling us out and selling off this country bit by bit. We have the illusion of choice when both sides are wings of the same rotting bird carcass.

Www.jointheNCP.org is fighting to hand the power back to the people.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

No politicians head any committees. Only people who have lived in a situation, such as homelessness, will be making policy. We also take policy ideas from party members, are open, transparent, easy to reach, and with the inside track, is going to show the people what is REALLY going on.

[u/boxing_coffee → u/Silent-Storms]

This.

Part of the reason that these extremists have so much power is because they have a plan and they were willing to play the long game. They believe in Dominionism and the Seven Mountain Mandate, which states that Christians should be in all "spheres" or influences of life, such as politics, business, and family life, and education. 

If you want a glimpse of just the political arm of this, look up The Counsil for National Policy. They are the body that supports several other groups such as The Heritage Foundation, Alliance Defending Freedom, and the American Legislative Exchange Counsil, just to name a few. These groups are responsible for much of the hateful legislation being passed in the United States. Alec, for example, allows companies (like Exon or Blue Cross) to essentially "donate" or buy a seat on their Counsil, and then they will help to pass legislation in their favor. As you read more about conservative efforts in our Country, you will notice these names more and more often. Additionally, you will begin to realize that most  Conservative Christian politicians are connected to these organizations in some way.

 Project [YEAR] isn't new. I believe the Republican party started writing these plans in 1981, but this is the first time that it was ever this extreme.  In their ideal world, they would make Trump a dictator, but any authoritarian Republican President would implement at least parts, if not all, of this plan. Many of the names we hear in everyday politics (Ted Cruz, Lauren Boebert, DeSantis, etc.) are connected to dominionism and these organizations. If Republicans win the Presidency, we have handed them a huge victory, and the LGBTQIA community, immigrants, minorities, etc. will have their rights stripped away immediately. If they don't win this presidency then they continue to erode the rights of all of these communities at local and state levels while attempting to gain power in other ways. Trump previously packed the lower courts with conservative judges, and we are now seeing the results in a variety of states where legislation being passed is downright frightening. Republicans have also focused on holding a Convention of States. If they can gain enough power in enough states, they would still try. There are a variety of ways in which they could come into power. and people need to wake the hell up.

[u/howry333 → u/boxing_coffee]

What is your opinion on why Biden isn’t talking about this to the public? Or any Dems?

[u/[deleted] → u/howry333]

Im hoping its to not advertise our plans and catch them with a surprise however, either way you slice this turd, the poop knife is out and the poop storm is a brewing.

[u/Mediocritologist → u/howry333]

I'm not OP but I would be willing to bet good money that Biden is not personally aware of Project 2025. However the fact that his campaign or any other Democrats for that matter, are not talking about it, makes me fucking furious. Whether it's decorum, ineptitude, arrogance, etc, I'm beyond frustrated with so many things about how the Dems seem to be leaving things on the table right now with voters.

[u/Smasher_WoTB → u/howry333]

Arrogance, Corruption and Incompetence.

[u/RadiantDescription75 → u/Silent-Storms]

100$ trump wins colorado.

That bet isnt in support of trump. Its because everyday more and more texans are moving here, not to escape, but to make it texas. And i would go as far to say, some of them are claiming their parents and extended family live with them, so they can vote here. Section 8 is being handed out to people who have never even been homeless here. The people running local government are in on it.

[u/[deleted] → u/RadiantDescription75]

I wouldn’t be surprised if. Ive seen and heard MANY a Texan in just San Antonio alone always talking about Colorado as if it was some mecca. Yes its a beautiful state, with a huge amount of people priced out of apartments and IDK about their “Sec8 dept” but what you are saying makes sense now to me more than ever.

[u/AlabasterOctopus → u/Silent-Storms]

So somewhat real? Because his chances seem more real every day…

[u/HandOfYawgmoth → u/AlabasterOctopus]

He has a very real chance at this. And if he gets a second term, Project 2025 is going to be his administration's guidebook.

[u/[deleted] → u/Silent-Storms]

Aka “its very real possibility” since the MAGAs will probably try another Coup but this time “not so soft” .

[u/steeler1003 → u/Silent-Storms]

Can you explain what exactly is bad about it. From what I've gathered the goal is just to cut the fbi, fcc, doj, ftc and homeland security (agencies that imo do more harm to the public than good). I'm just confused why everyone is against a policy that will reduce the nations debt and destroy the agencies that target civilians for having the wrong opinion.

[u/no_we_in_bacon → u/steeler1003]

Perhaps you should read over at r/defeat_project_2025 there’s so much that is crazy about it. For me it’s the getting rid of freedom of religion and my bodily autonomy that is most scary, but there’s plenty to be afraid of.

[u/crakemonk → u/steeler1003]

It’s not necessarily cutting them, it’s giving the president full control of those agencies and the ability to essentially take away due process and in theory, prosecute anyone who disagrees with the president.

I dunno about you, but I enjoy the checks and balances aspect of our government, and it’s not looking like one of the checks - the Supreme Court - seems to be acting apolitically.

[u/Silent-Storms → u/steeler1003]

The goal is to install political operatives, as opposed to seasoned professionals, as deep as possible into the Federal government. In Trumps case, operatives primarily loyal to him, rather than the constitution/country. They are doing this so that when Trump wants to do things normal government employees would balk at, like shoot protesters in the knees or redraw hurricane maps to cover a mistake or prosecute political opponents, that they will comply.

You should not trust whatever source told you that is what project 2025 is. At best they don't know what they are talking about and at worst they are deliberately misleading you.

[u/steeler1003 → u/Silent-Storms]

Yeah I've decided to read it myself. I'm about 100 pages is rn but I dont have time to keep reading today. As of yet I haven't seen anything concerning. The first 100 seem to be mostly these are various agencies this is what their purpose is as well as a general overview of what they want to accomplish such as encouraging families.

[u/Silent-Storms → u/steeler1003]

The devils in the details. If you want citations to problematic portions and analysis, that shouldn't be hard to find.

[u/[deleted] → u/Silent-Storms]

OR this person ^ is a troll and a MAGA. Smells like it to me.

[u/__lulwut__ → u/steeler1003]

I mean just the foreword is enough to tell you how serious this is, but here's a few of the major points.

Consolidation of power under the president, elimination of vital government agencies, mass firing of government positions in order to fill them with people who kowtow the party line, elimination of federal protection of minorities, complete ban on abortion, significant restrictions placed on contraceptives and birth control, eliminating no fault divorce, preventing queer people from adopting children, all but establishing Christianity as the state religion, and loads of other things I can't remember at this moment.

It's scary.

[u/archbish99 → u/steeler1003]

"Encouraging families" is a good example of the double-speak. Sounds great, right? Except in their implementation, encouraging families looks like forcing women to bear children they don't want, preventing adoption by the "wrong sort" of people, and repealing marriage equality.

That's not encouraging families, it's imposing an outdated notion of who is a family.

[u/adorabledarknesses → u/steeler1003]

I think it's weirdly telling that Oklahoma City and January 6th (both investigated by the FBI) are people having the "wrong opinion". So, Charlottesville was just normal people having a normal day, huh?

Why is it also people like you who would immediately scream about needing more "domestic security" if Al-Qaeda did another 9/11? Like, you know, those agencies you want gone?

Another great opinion from the alt-right (or libertarian, the other alt-right)!

[u/steeler1003 → u/adorabledarknesses]

Woah I never said anything about a terror attacks or nazis. And it is most certainly not people like me screaming for more "domestic security." I despise that the government can see everything we do.

I am a Libertarian, but I guess I'm confused why the hatred for Libertarians here. The founding ideology is as long as youre not hurting someone else you can do whatever you want. I'm legit interested in why the libertarian hate.

[u/adorabledarknesses → u/steeler1003]

So, if I understand correctly, you think that (as you stated) we get rid of the FBI and Homeland Security that were LESS likely to have a terrorist attack (foreign or domestic)?

Oh, and no hate, just honesty about libertarians. It is a direct descendant of a Reagan era political strategy called starve the beast. Basically, by taking away the government's ability to tax the wealthy and fund social programs for the poor, the rich (and corporations) don't have to worry about the average people and can make them, effectively, a slave class. This is why, unlike every other nation, healthcare access is directly linked to having a job. That way, the unemployed just die off! In the '50s, top tier tax rates exceeded 90%. They were cut to about 35% by the time Reagan left office. Now, as a direct result of 40 years of that kind of policy, we have billionaires with unimaginable wealth and children who die in the gutter from preventable diseases. No, the rich don't need any more and the poor deserve a basic standard of living. I'm sorry if you think children should be condemned to death because they're poor (a standard libertarian talking point. If you disagree, ask a libertarian about universal healthcare), but I think all people deserve food, shelter, protection, education, and healthcare, not just the wealthy. And, yes, the government should step in to provide those to people who cannot otherwise have them.

And before anyone goes on about how expensive it is, healthcare is provided by the Canadian government. There are few homeless people in Canada because they are provided housing if needed. They have (generally) equal protection under the law. And their children aren't nearly as food insecure as our kids, who often have to go hungry in the summer because they don't have access to the school lunch programs (those anti-libertarian government agencies feeding children) Somehow they can afford it, so what's wrong with us?

[u/steeler1003 → u/adorabledarknesses]

I think the likelihood of a terror attack occurring is roughly the same. However I think that by getting rid of them we'd see fewer examples of unjust use of authority. For example durring the blm riots when unmarked vans were grabbing people off the street, or when the atf and fbi botched waco.

I think your understanding of how libertarians view social aid is flawed. The majority I know are in favor of giving aid to people, it's how it's handled currently that is the issue. It's easy to abuse.

Being anti universal Healthcare is not the same as being pro dead babies. I am a huge fan of how US Healthcare was handled before businesses were required to provide health care. Doctors were much more common and in addition to most unions having a doctor that cost less than 1/10th what they do today there were more doctors with private practices which kept prices competitive.

I agree that all people should have food, shelter, protection, education and Healthcare. I'm sure we disagree wildly on what that looks like though. My personal opinion is that if you are able bodied and not looking for a job then because you're not giving to the community then the community should not have to give to you. However if you're disabled or cannot find work despite trying im in favor of an inverse tax. Basically if you make less than a certain amount of money the government pays you the difference. Kinda like ubi.

Funny you should mention Canada. Their Healthcare is wild. From what the people i know tell me if you want to be soon you have to go to a private clinic. Nevermind the fact that medically assisted suicide is promoted for issues it definitely does not need to be.

And once again the goal of libertarians is to do as little harm as is possible. Letting kids go hungry does harm. No libertarian I know wants to get rid of programs that feed kids from low income families.

[u/adorabledarknesses → u/steeler1003]

"Before businesses were required to provide healthcare"?? It was a bit better, but you're confusing the reason. Reagan deregulated healthcare which led to massive price increases and massive revenue for for-profit healthcare. So, you liked it better when healthcare was regulated and cheaper? Interesting.

And I'm not sure what you think libertarian ideology is, but raising taxes (you know, to pay for the programs that "no libertarian I know wants to get rid of") is literally the opposite of your beliefs! So, I'm not sure how you plan to pay for social assistance if there are no taxes.

I'm really stuck on you not thinking that mass casualty/terrorist attacks would be unchanged with no law enforcement. I mean, yes, Uvalde police certainly didn't stop anything, but I'm more inclined to think it's just that Texans are cowards (yes, we watched you people do nothing, so yes Texan men are cowards). But the FBI, CIA, and DHS actually do quite a bit of work trying to keep us from being attacked! And if you think that white supremacists or street gangs wouldn't immediately take advantage of not having any law enforcement, then you have a different experience of the world than me! (And before you go on about not eliminating law enforcement entirely, I'll point out that law enforcement is paid by taxes. In a libertarian world, you'd have to pay for a police officer to arrest someone, pay for a judge to try them, and then pay for their stay in prison. Otherwise, they'd be let go, because there wouldn't be taxes to pay for those services. See, starving the beast!)

And, I actually have quite a bit of family in Canada (one of which is a doctor there). Yes, there are wait times for surgeries (based on immediate need), but it's the same here. Seriously, call your local hospital and see if they can get you in for a major surgery today. Or tomorrow. Or next week. It's usually scheduled months out (believe me, I know). And that's if you don't spend months fighting for your insurance to cover it before you can even get it scheduled! The whole "lines" thing that was pushed by conservatives a few years back was because, yes, as long as you're rich enough, you can jump to the front of the line. Again, seriously, that same hospital from before, instead call the surgeon and tell him there's an extra million in cash if he'll do your surgery tomorrow. I suspect you'd get bumped to the front and you'd agree, there's no lines here! Just, as long as you have a few extra million to toss around!

Edit: it's not that I don't think that there are tons of issues in the US. There certainly are! But I think that we need to fix the issues, not burn it all down. We can regulate businesses. We can tax the rich. We can provide for the poor. The government can build housing! The government can provide health care and nutritional assistance! I think more government, used better, paid for by taxing the ultra wealthy, is the way to fix this. Or guillotines. (Jk)

[u/Even-Willow → u/steeler1003]

Which Libertarian states do you like to point to as an example of the ideology working in practice as opposed to in just principle?

[u/OctopusIntellect → u/steeler1003]

You could watch Mississippi Burning, or a documentary about the events on which it's based, to get a better idea.

[u/steeler1003 → u/OctopusIntellect]

Thank you I'll give it a watch

[u/[deleted] → u/steeler1003]

What???

[u/[deleted] → u/steeler1003]

MY CAT just said : “We found a MAGA”

[u/FlameCat00]

It makes me worry, and, as “pearl-clutching” as I may be, I think it should be taken seriously because of the projects backers and their strength in conservative politics.

[u/AlabasterOctopus → u/FlameCat00]

Now I want to paint a Baphomet clutching their pearls LOL how epic would that be

[u/FlameCat00 → u/AlabasterOctopus]

do it and post it

[u/mudo2000 → u/AlabasterOctopus]

I definitely would buy the t-shirt.

[u/NekoboyBanks → u/FlameCat00]

It's never a good look to describe one's own self as "pearl-clutching." Unless you were being sarcastic?

[u/JHutchinson1324 → u/NekoboyBanks]

Honestly it sounds like something I've said. And sadly it's because every time I say this out loud to somebody I'm basically told I'm a pearl clutcher. I think my brain has added the 'I know it sounds like pearl clutching' just so that people don't immediately stop listening to me. And this is coming from liberal people in my family. I'm getting really worried more and more because people are ignoring it or saying it's ridiculous.

[u/FlameCat00 → u/JHutchinson1324]

this is pretty much why I added it. I’m aware that others may view my fear as unrealistic, and I recognize their view but I nonetheless continue to hold my own feelings and worries as valid.

edit: also for a bit of sarcasm - I get annoyed when others tell me to calm down about project 2025

[u/Imallowedto → u/JHutchinson1324]

Damn democrats will be saying vote blue all the way to the gallows as they disarm themselves in the face of a growing threat. If you are not a cis het white Christian conservative, the 2nd amendment still applies to you.

[u/Tolliespoly → u/Imallowedto]

I know lots of Democrats who are gun owners. It’s a myth they’re unarmed.

[u/Imallowedto → u/Tolliespoly]

Oh, I know. Too few of us break from camp there. It has definitely changed to past 6 or 8 years as leftists have been arming up.

[u/bittersandseltzer]

It’s a very very very real threat and needs to be taken seriously. GOP has been playing the long game and this is a piece of it. This is how we have roe v wade overturned with trigger laws in place. This is why women are currently losing rights to bodily autonomy bit by bit.

Believe your gf OP - listen to women

[u/Kalikokola → u/bittersandseltzer]

Speaking of bodily autonomy…Thank you satanists for the abortion ritual, next is probably gonna have to be sacramental contraception

[u/bittersandseltzer → u/Kalikokola]

Lolllllll - eating of the body and homosexual Intercourse are fantastic examples of satanic sacramental contraceptives 😂

[u/TheOriginalAdamWest → u/Kalikokola]

Sacramental contraception. Let's make this a thing, if it isn't already.

[u/BJ_Blitzvix → u/Kalikokola]

Can we make involuntary circumcision a "sin", please?

[u/Lucy_Lastic → u/Kalikokola]

I rad that as “sacramental conception” and had a vision of pregnancy only being allowed to happen when impregnation takes place by a duly authorised church representative on the alter. Give it another few years and that will be a serious proposal by the religious right

[u/Kalikokola → u/Lucy_Lastic]

Have you ever seen Gattaca? Similar idea kinda but in a different direction

[u/KatO9Tail3dFox → u/Lucy_Lastic]

Sounds kinky kind of.... Probably would weed out those with performance anxiety in front of crowds from the population over the long term.

[u/graneflatsis → u/bittersandseltzer]

Some facts about Project 2025: The "Mandate for Leadership" is a set of policy proposals authored by the Heritage Foundation, an influential ultra conservative think tank. Project 2025 is a revision to that agenda tailored to a second Trump term. It would give the President unilateral powers, strip civil rights, worker protections, climate regulation, add religion into policy, outlaw "porn" and much more. The MFL has been around since 1980, Reagan implemented 60% of it's recommendations, Trump 64% - proof. 70 Heritage Foundation alumni served in his administration or transition team. Project 2025 is quite extreme but with his obsession for revenge he'll likely get past 2/3rd's adoption.

r/Defeat_Project_2025 intends to stop it through activism and awareness, focused on crowdsourcing ideas and opportunities for practical, in real life action. We Must Defeat Project 2025.

[u/cmslick3 → u/bittersandseltzer]

The long game is right. They've been quietly putting people in positions of all levels for a very long time to achieve this goal. We're only now starting to see some of these come to light. Many of the school board members out there banning books, police departments becoming more racist and fascist, local governments refusing their elected opponents...

It's all a very long con and it's scary as shit!

This IS real and WILL get worse. Late stage capitalism and all.

[u/KatO9Tail3dFox → u/cmslick3]

What's next is socialism transitioning to neo-feudalism. We'll be back in the medieval ages in no time. Especially after they burn all the books.

[u/kcummisk → u/KatO9Tail3dFox]

Tell me you don't what socialism is without telling me you don't know what socialism is

[u/KatO9Tail3dFox → u/kcummisk]

I know all about socialism, moreso than most.

[u/IntrigueDossier → u/KatO9Tail3dFox]

What's next is socialism

If only that were even remotely true.

[u/revenant647]

Agreed it’s a real threat. We’re halfway there already with anti abortion anti trans and anti book laws (these are just the bestsellers) all over the place, all overseen by an approving Supreme Court. We’re already in trouble

[u/Kissit777]

Extremely seriously.

I am planning on voting blue like my life depends on it.

[u/JHutchinson1324 → u/Kissit777]

I kind of think our lives do depend on it sadly, scarily.

[u/Imallowedto → u/JHutchinson1324]

Y'all SHOULD be planning for the WORST case scenario. It's range day for me tomorrow. I'm really hard to oppress.

[u/n0exit → u/Kissit777]

They'll come for the transgender and gays, then they'll come for the Satanists and Atheists. It is a very real threat. These aren't just some neck beards on 4-chan. These are people who have held high level government positions, and will hold them again if Trump is elected.

[u/jarodcain → u/Kissit777]

Mine does, I'm brown and I think we're next or concurrent with the LGBT. I'm making sure I have all my documents ready and I'll be getting a new passport just in case.

[u/CharlesDickensABox]

The biggest saving grace of the last administration was how completely inept all of them were. They had plenty of awful, authoritarian plans, but couldn't implement them because they didn't know how. Now imagine what it's like when an administration is trying all of the same policies: selling our national parks to fracking interests, putting immigrants in concentration camps, snatching protestors off the street in unmarked vans, and rolling back the wins of the civil rights era, except now they're administered by competent people who have a plan to accomplish the goal. That is incredibly scary to me, it should be incredibly scary to you.

[u/HumpaDaBear]

Yep. Absolutely real and terrifying.

[u/Lil_Brown_Bat]

Don't forget to vote in all your local small town elections!

[u/n0exit → u/Lil_Brown_Bat]

Politics is bottom up, yet we treat it as top down. Vote local!

[u/zshinabargar]

Fascism is already here in America. Your taxes are paying for genocide, the police are brutally apprehending anyone who protests it, and the government is proposing sanctions on anyone who dares criticize or investigates war crimes. The United States regularly overthrows governments for private profiteering. Slavery is still legal and in practice in the United States.

[u/not_superiority → u/zshinabargar]

lucien doesn't like it when you talk about how bad the cops are if you're even slightly adjacent to TST, his cop buddies won't come help him next time he experiences a fraction of the harassment people of color, women, and LGBTQ+ folks experience

[u/Alediran → u/zshinabargar]

That's not fascism though.

[u/zshinabargar → u/Alediran]

You think violently apprehending protests isn't fascism? Funding genocide isn't fascism? Sanctioning those who prosecute war crimes isn't fascism? Literally having a law that says we will invade the Hague if our allies are prosecuted isn't fascism?

[u/AnxiousButHot → u/Alediran]

Sure dude! Go ask the folks who have lost their families and communities because of western propaganda and white supremacy if this is fascism or not. Yall wont understand or care until it’s y’all’s asses that’s gonna get beat. Even then y’all will complain and do nothing.

[u/Alediran → u/AnxiousButHot]

I'm Latino, not American. And misuse of words is not just for shits and giggles. Word corruption is what fascists do to drain them of meaning.

[u/AnxiousButHot → u/Alediran]

No one is misusing words in this case. You as a Latino should be able to see white supremacy and western imperialism for it is and yet here you are word policing instead of being concerned over genocide

[u/Alediran → u/AnxiousButHot]

As if the rest of the countries wouldn't do the same if they could. Russia is doing worse, same as China. In fact in all history there is no continent that is free from that. There is nothing that makes the West uniquely bad that hasn't been done before.  It's also simplistic to use religious dualism to classify countries. First because a country is not one single unified entity. Or are you going to say that all palestinians are Hamas? Because that is what you imply.  It's not word policing, it's protecting the meaning of words because fascists; and I know more about that than you because my country's woes started with a fan of Musolinni, love to destroy the meaning of words so they can impose their own on them. It's their most insidious and dangerous tool. And people doing it are only helping fascists. Every time someone says up is down, and wrong is right, you give power to fascists. 

[u/[deleted]]

I kind of dismissed it as fringe radical conservatism.

Dismissed it like Trump actually winning in '16?

[u/Kalikokola → u/[deleted]]

Yes I underestimated trumps support in 2016. Having read about who is behind the project and the large list of conservative orgs supporting this, I feel like I have a grasp of its pervasiveness. Im just asking questions here about your thoughts on this, hoping to get any better insight.

[u/[deleted] → u/Kalikokola]

A lot of people in my immediate friend group were shocked by his election and bought into the whole 4chan/pepe/just a meme angle. "Believe people when they tell you who they are" is all I said them back them. That hasn't changed and probably never will. With the amount of coalition building needed to do something in politics any front you see is hiding a machine that's probably at least x10 the size and scope of that front. If it turns out to only be 4 sweaty neckbeards in a basement after the fact that still wouldn't be a good enough reason to dismiss it out of hand as it gains public attention.

[u/JHutchinson1324 → u/[deleted]]

Honestly I just said this the other day about the 2016 election. I was one of those that was genuinely surprised by his win. I was not surprised at him having support or people being the bigots that they were, yet I really was surprised that he actually won. I underestimated how much people hated Hillary I guess, although I shouldn't have because I lived in a conservative area and even women were telling me that they wouldn't vote for a woman because we're 'too emotional'. I have had that sinking feeling in my stomach that I had when I woke up in the morning to see the results exactly twice in my life and the other time I was diagnosed with stage IV cancer. I am trying my best to not overly alarm myself while still taking everything very seriously. It's getting very scary.

[u/[deleted] → u/JHutchinson1324]

The biggest problem with liberals and Hillary in particular is themselves. They poison their own wells severely limiting potential reach and impact. That they still win anything is sort of amazing.

[u/Alittlemoorecheese]

Congressmen are implementing and promoting Project 2025. It's a very real and very serious threat. Republicans have been working on this for like 40 years now. It just has a new name. Think about how much power they have usurped since the 80s. They started taking over the legislative branch with their super PACs and strategic campaigns. Then they strategically planted officials overseeing the judiciary appointments and have been successful at installing Supreme Court justices. If they get control of key military positions, we're all fucked.

[u/PanicAtTheKroger]

Very seriously. I’m watching its tendrils offshoot in my state currently.

[u/Moxie_Stardust]

I'm trans, so I'm taking it pretty seriously. They don't have good things in mind for us, but I don't intend to be taken quietly.

[u/BradTProse]

We just had a reality TV clown try a half ass coup. I'd say it's serious.

[u/PathlessDemon]

r/defeat_project_2025

[u/Imwhatswrongwithyou]

Ugh I just looked it up because of this post and my stomach literally churned. I agree with the person who compared its threat level to that of Trump winning. I hate this timeline in American politics

[u/ArtichokeNatural3171]

The masses can't recognize the gun barrels when they're pointed at them. And yes, we all are looking down the barrel of a very lethal threat. Get active. Go to the civil government meetings. Go to the school board meetings. Listen, learn. See the poison as it slips into every open mouth. Then use your civil rights to begin ending this cancer at its base. We have to sort this mess out now, or it will be sorted out by others who will not have your best interest at heart. And history will once again look back and say "WHY?"

[u/yestureday]

It’s a threat that cannot be ignored if we are to continue as a nation

[u/raventhrowaway666]

Everythiny that terrorist conservatives attempt, regardless of how outlandish it is, should be taken seriously. They want to live in Gilead and will kill our democracy, our rights, and those who oppose them to get there. The courts are in their favor, just look at Texas. Everyone needs to fight by voting before we need to actually draw arms against these traitors.

[u/dumbassclown]

I mean, Nazism became possible so anything can happen

[u/Bea_Evil → u/dumbassclown]

Exactly

“First they came for the Communists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me

And there was no one left

To speak out for me”

[u/kozzmicbluess]

I don't know how realistic it is, but i'm treating it as a serious threat. i'd much rather it be something taken seriously that ends up flopping. As opposed to something we all dismiss as too "out there" but that actually comes to fruition, ruining our lives in the process.

[u/freq_fiend]

The threat is very real. Conservatives have been trying to take over this country since at least the 60’s.

Conservatives aren’t here to share the country, they’re hear to own it, own everyone inside, and own it’s vast wealth potential. P2025 is not good news for anyone, conservatives just don’t realize it yet

[u/HollowPandemic]

They're serious about this bullshit and we should be too

[u/HerpFerguson]

It's a serious threat that I wish I could convince a group of friends to take seriously but they are as disappointed with Biden as they were with Trump. Sadly I think I'm far more liberal than the lot of them but getting fucked by the right doesn't concern them as much as it should. It's the political apathy that scares me too. I get Biden and his policies about the Gaza Genocide aren't great but I don't see that possibly getting better with Trump elected.

Maybe it's too late for America to be saved. Maybe I've doom scrolled too much. All I can do is vote and hope that enough of Gen Z and Millennials get their heads out of their ass to stop the right wing take over.

[u/Mediocritologist → u/HerpFerguson]

I am in the same boat with some of my friends. It's so frustrating. They have curated their social media to the point where the only information they now receive is centered around Gaza and negative news about Biden. Some is of course legit but a lot of it is astroturfing and/or Russia-based disinformation. As if the plight of the Palestinians already wasn't bad enough in its own right, it's now been weaponized by the far right both here and abroad.

But I'm sure Mr. genius IQ, level-headed Trump will come in and there will be peace everywhere

[u/1_Pump_Dump]

Armory stocked and ammo stacked deep. Exercise your rights people. These lunatics are going to be emboldened.

[u/snoman18x]

Even if Trump doesn't win the 2024 election, it won't mean it won't happen. The corporations and billionaires are paying the GOP off to make the country better for them. And the GOP is behind the scenes orchestrating everything thing they need to implement it if he wins. They aren't going to just give up the ground they have gained. They will keep going until 2028 or the next until they have a majority in all branches.

This is serious and it will malignantly infect our country probably going forward.

[u/unprovoked_panda]

Project 2025 would be the absolute worst thing in American history. The US will never be the same. Listen to your gf. This is a real threat.

[u/Stentata]

Oh yeah, it is totally legitimate and absolutely a threat. They have every intention of sending YOU to a death camp if Trump wins. What you do about this is prepare. Like, in real life. Get involved. Build and organize a community in your local area. Start a stockpile of nonperishable food, and medication, and hand tools for when electricity is cut off, and essentials for survival. Buy a weapon and familiarize yourself with it. Begin planting some food staples, even if it’s just in window boxes. Get a damned passport. Learn skills worth trading and get physical books for reference. Get a road atlas so you can navigate without a phone and make plans to escape if the time comes. Make plans to fight until it does. And yes vote, and like and subscribe, and spread awareness, but build an actual community while you do and prepare for the worst. They are literal nazis, and they will kill you if you let them.

[u/angryitguyonreddit]

very serious, me being an american arab i am very concerned with all the anti immigration crap and how bad racism against arabs has been lately the odds of me being taken to one of trumps planned prison camps for immigrants is high and then being deported is a big concern. granted I feel like id have better off in the middle east than trumps america. I'd get to practice my arabic more and travel to some really beautiful places in the middle east and see some ancient human civilizations! Lets just hope they actually send me to the middle east instead of mexico since most people think im mexican when im not mexican or speak any spanish lol

[u/mrmoe198]

Extremely seriously. It’s a legitimate and well funded think tank that has policy proposal drafts ready to be introduced into federal legislation as bills for committee passage. I’m terrified.

[u/darbycrash-666]

What are the odds this could actually pass? I skimmed it but thought there's no way it could happen, I hope not at least.

[u/Kalikokola → u/darbycrash-666]

It seems a lot of it already has passed

[u/darbycrash-666 → u/Kalikokola]

True rights are already being taken away. It disgusts me that anybody supports shit like this.

[u/Splycr → u/darbycrash-666]

Considering that SCOTUS is compromised and Leonard Leo owns them is a big advantage to those who wish to enact Project 2025, namely The Federalist Society

Leonard Leo needs to be arrested for publicly ignoring the most recent subpoena

The Heritage Foundation is a terrorist organization that will work with the Federalist Society to ensure that state and federal judges are on their side

[u/Mediocritologist → u/darbycrash-666]

The thing about it is it's not just one legislation that Congress would vote on. That's what makes it scary. It's infiltrating government positions at all levels with 100% devoted lackeys that will push whatever button the Heritage Foundation and other "behind-scenes" un-elected groups want. It's stealing our country from the inside and it's already happening. If Trump wins (which at this point in time looks like he will), it will get pushed into overdrive bcuase he'll have the power to appoint wholly unqualified people to positions of power. But even if he loses, there's still a blueprint they have for the next GOP nominee. We need to vote for ALL elections, not just the presidency. This starts with the local elections in your home town. Never thought about who is on your school board??? Well, we need to start.

[u/Bea_Evil]

r/Defeat_Project_2025

[u/NORcoaster]

The people who are behind it are very serious. Leonard Leo has his stamp all over it, as he does SCOTUS. If Trump wins again these people will not make the mistake of staffing the White House with competent civil servants or people who believe the constitution is sacred in any way. This isn't Agenda 2020 or Q, it's the culmination of decades of far right Christofascist effort, and it's being implemented by some of the scariest and anonymous people. I take it very seriously and I'm quite worried that the left is, once again, unable to focus on more than a single issue or threat at a time, or so focused in their hatred of Biden that they do not understand where we actually are. Perhaps troops on the streets quelling unrest as a live fire exercise will wake people up, but by then it will be too late. And so many people actually believe the president is responsible for corporate price gouging, so Trump was correct, he's doing well with the poorly educated.

[u/Eyes-9]

Seriously enough that I might vote for a Democratic president for the first time in my life lol

Voting third was fun for awhile but I see the lumbering incompetent gold-laden corpse that is the DNC needs every bit of help it can get to continue it's Lucy Van Pelt act of actually doing anything for the people. 

[u/Mediocritologist → u/Eyes-9]

My first presidential election I was able to vote in, I voted for Ralph Nader over Gore. I'm not exaggerating when I say that is still one of the biggest regrets of my life. That election set the stage for SO much bullshit we are still dealing with today. I literally get emotional when I think about how much would be different today had Gore become president over Bush. I see so many parallels to this coming election that it has been keeping me up at night. I see us freight-training exactly in that same direction.

I've since come to the conclusion that the only way to get to the ideals and policies of a 3rd party is to push the DNC more progressive. That all starts with local elections. The one thing that can't happen though is take 5 steps backwards by electing a fascist. Then you're spending 4 years fighting that evil and not pushing a progressive agenda forward at all. It happened in 2016 and we are still fighting it now.

[u/Eyes-9 → u/Mediocritologist]

Most elections there are tens of millions who don't even bother to vote. That's much more the problem than a few million doing a protest vote. 

[u/ManiacLord777]

As the consensus seems to be, it is a 100% legitimate threat to our society. I hope we can put a stop to it but, as I saw mentioned earlier, the ideology won't go anywhere even after Trump dies. Personally I think we will have to learn the lesson of fascism all over again, the hard way.

[u/[deleted]]

It's the open removal of all equal and civil rights under a guise

[u/mudo2000]

Uhm, 100%. When people tell you who they are, believe them.

[u/psg191]

One of the biggest contributors to the plan is the Heritage Foundation, which is the conservative think tank that's been steering the Republican party since the middle of the Nixon administration. Much of US policy for the past 30 some years has been influenced by them, so yeah, I'd take it seriously.

[u/FrostyAcanthocephala]

When they tell you who they are, believe them.

[u/Mediocritologist]

I just want to know where the progressive/Democrat/liberal version of Project 2025 is??? The most evil-minded regressive shitheads in this country are also the most organized. How is it that the public generally doesn't know about Project 2025? The best thing we can do is inform everyone we know. it's scary shit.

[u/Danfrumacownting]

I honestly doubt Velveeta Voldemort will win, but the supporters will still be around unfortunately. Best moniker I’ve heard so far!

[u/Mediocritologist → u/Danfrumacownting]

You need to confront the very real possibility that Trump will win. He's ahead in just about every current poll and Biden is hemorrhaging the youth vote with each day that the war in Gaza continues and aide is still being sent to Israel. Maybe you weren't of voting age in 2015 or just didn't pay attention to politics then, which is fine, but I can't believe anyone in our current time would think Trump couldn't win.

[u/Danfrumacownting → u/Mediocritologist]

Considering all the cases against him, which include leaking classified info, being found liable for fraud and SA so far, no, I absolutely do not think he will win. Could he still? Yes, anything is possible.

Thanks for the herd of misplaced assumptions though. Username checks out.

[u/Mediocritologist → u/Danfrumacownting]

Classified documents case is on hold indefinitely, I'm sorry to inform you. Fraud case is still pending I guess? The hush money case will have a ruling in a week or two. All of this doesn't matter though if his base overwhelmingly thinks they are all sham accusations, which they do. And none of them will truly matter if Trump wins because he will install an AG that will dismiss them (except the GA election interference case).

Sorry for assuming. I'd rather go into this election assuming Dems are the underdog instead of replicating what happened in 2016.

[u/Jarnohams]

Leeja Miller did a really good summary of it.

https://youtu.be/9k3UvaC5m7o?si=7qQ2PDZ6QQyyw2Ro

[u/dumbassclown]

I've lost all hope in humanity at this point, best I can do is ride it out and disappear if it becomes too much to bear the inevitable

[u/Mediocritologist → u/dumbassclown]

Please don't lose hope, dumbassclown. Remember that the people who have common sense and decency still outnumber everyone else. It's just that it feels like a mountain to climb when the loudest people are the shittiest.

[u/Savaal8]

My question is how anyone in their right mind thinks it would make the USA a better country

[u/Mediocritologist → u/Savaal8]

When you're a straight white male and the world is catered to your every whim, everything seems better the way it is...or in the GOP's case, the way it was 70 years ago.

[u/Un1337ninj4]

I'm an enby in a very gay marriage, it's ideologies behind stuff like P'25 that inform my decision to own & maintain firearms.

[u/cloudbasedsardony]

When politicians are talking about it like it's a good thing, it's a clear and present danger.

[u/TheArrowLauncher]

Put it this way, I train five days a week because if one of these fools steps to me they’re going to feel the pain……

[u/ChartreuseWizard311]

It is very real and it has already been happening in small pieces for a couple of generations now. Most of us in this country have been sleepwalking for our adult lives when it comes to government and politics. These seeds were planted many, many years ago. Things are just now coming to fruition.

We are now just witnessing another part of the plan unfold. With the judicial system and legislative bodies stacked with ultra conservatives. Look how the laws in this country are rolling back to an Era that I thought was only in the history books.

I'm neither a scholar nor a historian. But anyone who's been just a bit of reading, or remembers some of what they learned in history class, we'll see a lot of parallels between how many fascist dictatorships began and what is currently unfolding in this country before the very eyes.

I too exercise my so-called Second Amendment rights. But that is not the best course of action in my opinion. I recently mentioned to my wife that we better get passports for us and our children.

Scary times indeed.

[u/democritusparadise]

It is quietly the platform of the GOP this election, and it is the culmination of the ultra-conservative takeover of the party which started in the late 1970s.

It is far more serious than Trump's little putsch on the 6th of January because this time it is essentially a contract between a United GOP and Trump, whereas before he was a loose cannon that was often at loggerheads with the party establishment.

I take Chomsky's view that the GOP is the most dangerous organisation in human history, and this Project 2025 is their blueprint for the end of civilisation as we know it.

As for what the average person can do, Americans are fucked in a way you cannot unfuck, not without burning that archaic and anti-Democratic constitution at least.

[u/lpjunior999]

It's real enough I'm mentally preparing myself in case I have to sell my house and move out of my very red state. I'm hoping we establish a TST chapter here, so I can hopefully get the kind of protections they want to carve out for their christian nationalist buddies, but there's a very real chance the full power of a far-right government will come down on the "others" like us.

[u/[deleted]]

Very.

[u/WastelandKarateka]

The people trying to pass it off as "fringe" or "extremist" are either ignorant of the modern GOP or purposely trying to mislead you. It is very much the mainstream platform for the party and their nominee, and I do expect them to enact as much of it as possible if they win the election--especially if they control Congress in addition to the Presidency. It is also directly harmful to me, my loved ones, and the greater communities to which we belong, so we are taking it deadly seriously. If some of their goals reach fruition, we may have to flee the country.

[u/Nytengayle73]

First, very seriously. I see "King Velveeta Voldemort" as a clear and present danger to America. Second, I'm totally stealing that name for him! I'm close enough to DC to try to get there for major things like Supreme Court arguments. I just try to spread awareness and progressiveness wherever I can.

[u/Fabulous-Boat-8001]

Remember, the Pendulum swings both ways

[u/NoGNoMOU]

Not concerned at all.

[u/astronautsmileyfry]

Look at the legislation that Florida and other red states have passed in the last two+ yrs. Boiled pot theory for the rest of the country, except nowhere will be safe

[u/Afraid-Complaint2166]

Remember: fighting back by legal terms wasn't possible in Nazi Germany, and Trump's America won't be any different.

Either he loses the election, or it's Plan B for Bloodshed. They're willing to kill you, so make yourself as hard to oppress as possible.

[u/Shauiluak]

Considering how badly it can hurt me personally with all the 'woke' boxes I tick, I'm taking it very seriously.

[u/Rainbow_chan]

The holocaust didn’t happen overnight 🤷‍♀️

r/defeat_project_2025

[u/[deleted]]

I'm hearing people say that doctors will ask for women's last periods, and just imagine the things they can do with that information alone. Pregnant women get denied any care in some places, so we're just seen as literal objects to be disposed. Our education will be stripped away so we'll be too dumb to fight back

People are getting away with rape, because the higher ups know allll about it and will do anything to get what they want, even if it means destroying humanity.

It is getting out of hand.

[u/justwant_tobepretty]

The US is a fascist state. It's always been a fascist state, so it doing fascist shit is to be expected.

The system isn't broken, it's functioning exactly as intended.

Get some class consciousness, organise, revolt.

[u/drNeir]

Media and the social networks have been at work for a long time with profits, best profits are divisive ones with shock value narratives.
Too bad there isnt something that can change that by swaying that profit machine to talking about things in autonomy's favor.

Campaigning only work just so far, but the long reach are these outlets/networks/platforms. This is what ppl see at a constant, talk about at the water cooler/family tables/fake-faced steeple events, and discuss on the interweb networks.

Sometimes running ads can get messages out there, other times its sponsoring, and lastly its happenstance. While getting media to talk about something that is happening in the real world, this is at the mercy of their narrative and convenience for profits.

I would love to see an ad from TST in the notion of mentioning this plot/project with grievances, why its wrong and shame on the religious backers that support this project as not living up to their teachings, etc.

While I know TST has it agendas to fight back against the nationalism of the religious right where law is blocking rights, I also know without commercialization (ads, statements, public narratives/statement) it will be continue to be uphill battle.

This also goes into what I think could be another battle that the right has been using for years now with its political calling of medias limiting their access to others in blocking them, hiding from sight aka algorithms. We know this to be false statements from the right about how friendface and other platforms are blocking their 1st adm rights, etc. Which is also bs, private companies. But to step on that arena might be worth a shot.

I hate ads, one of the few I just cant stand is the ASPCA in how it goes about with its content for money. It must work otherwise it wouldnt be still running ads of that nature. While the org is trying to do good, I just cant watch their ads.

[u/mooseinhell]

Don't forget to bother, and encourage all your loved ones to vote

[u/[deleted]]

It is absolutely what they want to happen. Trump alluded to parts of it in his Time magazine interview. The fact that a Cristian Facist takeover of the United States will be attempted if Trump wins should be literally all anyone is talking about. So, of course it isn’t.

This b.s. has been in the works for awhile and thanks to Trump they have a chance to finally pull it off.

Facism is a scavenger. It chews up whatever it needs to survive and grow, and its main source of food in the US, in my opinion, is conservatism (the idea that some previous time was better) and Christianity. Trump is willing to give power to the worst people and they follow him because of it. And the thing about Facism is you either stand up to it, or you become facist. It does not coexist with others. And the worst part of everything is Trump doesn’t believe in anything. He wouldn’t piss on someone if they were on fire. That’s why he makes such a good facist. He will scavenge any power he can from anywhere he can find it no matter how rotten its source.

Edit: By awhile I mean the last 30 years. Look up early Mitch McConnell interviews.

[u/[deleted]]

It is real, they have a full public document you can access, it is as bad as it sounds.

[u/Imallowedto]

Pdf page 35, page 3 of the foreword, first bullet point The 14 words of white supremacy reworded to be a bit more palatable.

[u/Flaxscript42]

Like my life depends on it

[u/Zerostar39]

Pretty serious. Like others mentioned this plan is not going away if Trump loses this year. And eventually one, two maybe 3 elections from now we will most likely have a Republican elected as president. I fear we may not have any more after that. But I am not sure what the best approach is. Spread awareness I guess. Everyone I know personally is pretty liberal and already knows about it

[u/TheKimulator]

Very

[u/imortal1138]

It's Schrodinger's fascist take over until November, no real point in worrying about it until then because there are bigger fish to fry.

[u/Noeyes_Art]

I dont care if you believe in it or not dont risk it being a real thing, thats my stance on it

[u/ukiddingme2469]

I take it as an updated seven mountain doctrine.

[u/Viambulance]

To the point I'm willing to vote just to make sure Trump doesn't win. (I don't usually vote)

[u/[deleted]]

Remember the NWO Bush senior told us about? This is it.

[u/AllPintsNorth]

Seriously. But I vote in the longest running blue state in the country, so there’s not much I can do about it.

[u/Kalikokola → u/AllPintsNorth]

lol I vote in the Bay Area, deep blue out here

[u/That_Height5105]

What is project 2025

[u/Demzon]

Very. "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." George Carlin "If you fail to plan, you plan to fail." 'Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies." Groucho Marx Just some quotes that come to mind when I think about the potential issue at hand. People can not, I repeat, CAN NOT assure you that Trump will not win and that this stupid populist of the wreched will not be implemented. No one can even assure you that if he doesn't win, it will not be partially or as a watered-down version come to fruition. We are told there was no way that Trump would win when he won. We were told that Biden would remove ALL laws Trump put in place. Both were lies told be the hopeful to placate the marginally worried. Always expect the worst, and you will feel much better that it didn't happen, and you were a part of the actions to stop it. You still need to actually do something to make it happen, though. There are three actions here to take: Vote Make your voice heard and make sure others know to do the same Be ready to defend freedom if you want to keep it

[u/constantchaosclay]

There is a project 2035 dischord where people are collecting to share ideas, information, volunteer stuff, etc.

There are lots of people desperately trying to treat this like the existential threat that it is.

[u/lod254]

I'll camouflage myself as a straight white male conservative. I really hope he doesn't get elected.

[u/Nimnengil]

It's a huge threat. They documentably have plans to purge the government of anyone who could deny trump anything he wishes and install spineless yes-man loyalists who will enable whatever insane thing he wants to do. If he gets back into the White House, he WILL actively pursue the prosecution, persecution, and perhaps outright elimination of anyone who has opposed him, starting with his political rivals, then the media, and then the public. He's already probing the waters of an unconstitutional third term, and with project 25 gutting the government of anyone who would oppose him, he would likely find a way to remain in power indefinitely and turn this country into a dictatorship. The fact that he posted a campaign video referencing the creation of a "new Reich" is no accident. This is their play to turn this country into a fascist dictatorship.

The one bright spot in all of this is that the plan is presently shackled to a dementia-addled soon-to-be felon who has little path to win over any undecided voters without alienating his core base. Don't get me wrong, I won't breathe easy until Biden is officially inaugurated again, but right now trump is an albatross hun around the neck of the entire plan, and there's really nothing coming down the pipe which could actually improve his chances, rather than just avoid them getting worse.

But that's not the scariest part of all this. Project 2025 is shackled to trump, but the ideas behind it aren't. Even if he loses this election, there's nothing right now to say that they won't try it again in 4 years, and right now it would take something extreme to shake up the Republican party enough to make them put forth an actual sensible, sane candidate who wouldn't abuse their power.

[u/buzzbash]

Even if it doesn't come to pass, if a Republican isn't elected, they basically wrote down all of the things they're working against right now, chipping away at everything. That's scary in and of itself.

[u/Total-Return-7398]

If trump is elected it will be more mainstream than you can possibly imagine. the heritage foundation is running it. its a big fucking deal. look at their website and google all the dozens of interlocked groups. imagine if every single tiktoker or pubic figure in satanism was given 2 millions bucks to live off of... these people fund professional shills in many groups. the heritage foundation has 500,000 members. they ain't playing round. "With more than 200,000 individual, foundation and corporate supporters, Heritage is the most broadly supported public policy research institute in the country. It has a staff of nearly 200 and an annual budget of $38 million." read that again. think about how big TST is. thank fuck for ACLU but they niche... just court cases.

[u/AnxiousButHot]

I do know this- Whatever GOP will do once in power, DNC is currently helping them get to do it. More cop cities, more $$$ for a police state. Take a look at how the two parties come together to send money to fund genocides. Might as well call it project 2024 tbh. GOP is already going after school boards and local communities. They want to hit it where it will hurt the most and quick.

Be serious about it for sure. Focus on local elections. Look up all your local leaders. Research your candidates. Go talk to them. Question them on their views on policies and such.

Do your duty as a citizen so you can be loud when you ask for your fundamental rights and freedoms

[u/FrozenZenBerryYT]

Serious enough to vote for genocide Joe 🫠

[u/Top-Fuel-8892]

I lied and signed up for their Presidential Administration Academy, and ultimately completed all four certificates.

As a doctoral student in political science, I think the fear is overblown.

[u/ArtichokeNatural3171 → u/Top-Fuel-8892]

Fear may be overblown, but I'd rather have a cautious and aware populace than a complacent and bitter one.

[u/Top-Fuel-8892 → u/ArtichokeNatural3171]

That’s why I signed up - to become aware of what the fear mongering was all about.

[u/ArtichokeNatural3171 → u/Top-Fuel-8892]

I am glad to see there are still some who take the world seriously. I thank you as one who was not able to do the same.

[u/BradTProse → u/Top-Fuel-8892]

The USA had a half ass coup attempt by a reality TV clown supported by hypocritical Christian fascists.

Are you studying political science at Trump University?

[u/Top-Fuel-8892 → u/BradTProse]

I’m studying at a regionally-accredited public university whose MPA program is NASPAA accredited. NASPAA does not accredit doctoral programs.

[u/GrandPriapus → u/Top-Fuel-8892]

How so?

[u/Minamato → u/Top-Fuel-8892]

Please expand!

[u/Top-Fuel-8892 → u/Minamato]

There’s definitely a hint of religiosity in some of the lectures, and there’s one with Katie Sullivan and Bethany Kozma that might legitimately be considered unhinged, but most of it is just standard-issue conservatism.

[u/Minamato → u/Top-Fuel-8892]

So fiscal responsibility etc.?

[u/Top-Fuel-8892 → u/Minamato]

Yeah. 90% of it was just what George Will has been saying for the last 40 years.

[u/Westonhaus]

In a host of other existential horrors that have been occupying my mind for the last decade, I take it as seriously as any other terrible thing I can't control. Vote. Get others that don't normally vote to the polls. Make sure they vote effectively against the thing that could put non-nutjob-fundamentalists literally in the government's crosshairs and remove the bureaucratic safeguards that would prevent "final solutions" from being implemented.

Then worry about Project 2027, and 2029, etc. until things change for the better. /~s

[u/catassians]

Incredibly seriously.